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5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.
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5/19/2016 3:04:49 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

That's not the issue for most of them. They don't want to see the GOP dismantled, and a Trump loss might preserve the old establishment GOP. That's more important to them than 4 years of Hillary.
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5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.
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5/19/2016 4:35:23 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

At least she has an Islamic mole as her right hand lady. Oh wait. That's not a good thing...
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5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol
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5/19/2016 5:43:39 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

He's a Muslim terrorist working for ISIS. Why would he support Trump?
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5/19/2016 5:45:21 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 5:43:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

He's a Muslim terrorist working for ISIS. Why would he support Trump?

Because muslims and Trump share one thing in common: They don't like anyjuan.
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5/19/2016 5:48:50 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 5:43:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

He's a Muslim terrorist working for ISIS. Why would he support Trump?

wat
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5/19/2016 8:04:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

I'm more anti Trump than a tree stump.
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5/19/2016 10:09:29 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 8:04:25 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

I'm more anti Trump than a tree stump.

ok, so you are down to debate then? lol
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5/19/2016 11:44:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I would debate that.
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5/19/2016 11:54:14 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I'd give an actual debate. The topic would be "Donald Trump would make a good President".
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5/20/2016 12:08:58 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 10:09:29 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 8:04:25 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

I'm more anti Trump than a tree stump.

ok, so you are down to debate then? lol

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5/20/2016 3:18:46 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 11:44:44 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I would debate that.

Sweet, when?
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5/20/2016 11:19:43 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 3:18:46 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 11:44:44 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I would debate that.

Sweet, when?

I have never done a Google DDO debate. How is that different than a regular debate?

If we have 3 days to respond, I should be good anytime to debate.
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5/20/2016 6:01:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I don't consider myself a #neverTrump voter. However, I do approach this election with skepticism. There are many positions with Trump I don't agree with, but lets start with his obvious pandering. This pandering sounds nice, but it also shows how easily he can sway with the wind. How do we know he will build a wall, nominate the right justice, or anything?
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5/20/2016 6:15:21 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 6:01:03 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I don't consider myself a #neverTrump voter. However, I do approach this election with skepticism. There are many positions with Trump I don't agree with, but lets start with his obvious pandering. This pandering sounds nice, but it also shows how easily he can sway with the wind. How do we know he will build a wall, nominate the right justice, or anything?

As long as the wall is a critical part of his platform, he will take more steps than any other president in history to make it happen. Presidents that fail to deliver on central key issues are doomed. Judges are a secondary issue, but it is likely he will take the party suggestions for nomination to avoid a voter backlash.
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5/20/2016 6:17:45 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 6:15:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:01:03 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I don't consider myself a #neverTrump voter. However, I do approach this election with skepticism. There are many positions with Trump I don't agree with, but lets start with his obvious pandering. This pandering sounds nice, but it also shows how easily he can sway with the wind. How do we know he will build a wall, nominate the right justice, or anything?

As long as the wall is a critical part of his platform, he will take more steps than any other president in history to make it happen. Presidents that fail to deliver on central key issues are doomed. Judges are a secondary issue, but it is likely he will take the party suggestions for nomination to avoid a voter backlash.

What about his method of bringing jobs back to America through tariffs? Surely, you are concerned with this knee-jerk approach.
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5/20/2016 6:19:29 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 6:17:45 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:15:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:01:03 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I don't consider myself a #neverTrump voter. However, I do approach this election with skepticism. There are many positions with Trump I don't agree with, but lets start with his obvious pandering. This pandering sounds nice, but it also shows how easily he can sway with the wind. How do we know he will build a wall, nominate the right justice, or anything?

As long as the wall is a critical part of his platform, he will take more steps than any other president in history to make it happen. Presidents that fail to deliver on central key issues are doomed. Judges are a secondary issue, but it is likely he will take the party suggestions for nomination to avoid a voter backlash.

What about his method of bringing jobs back to America through tariffs? Surely, you are concerned with this knee-jerk approach.

Some of it has truth, making it expensive for companies to relocate or outsource may not be great for the overall economy, but it will preserve jobs.
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5/20/2016 6:25:05 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Also, the Judicial appointment issue is much more of a bargaining chip for Trump to play with the establishment's cooperation rather than a voter pandering issue.

You have to look at the motivations.
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5/20/2016 6:34:46 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 6:19:29 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:17:45 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:15:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:01:03 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I don't consider myself a #neverTrump voter. However, I do approach this election with skepticism. There are many positions with Trump I don't agree with, but lets start with his obvious pandering. This pandering sounds nice, but it also shows how easily he can sway with the wind. How do we know he will build a wall, nominate the right justice, or anything?

As long as the wall is a critical part of his platform, he will take more steps than any other president in history to make it happen. Presidents that fail to deliver on central key issues are doomed. Judges are a secondary issue, but it is likely he will take the party suggestions for nomination to avoid a voter backlash.

What about his method of bringing jobs back to America through tariffs? Surely, you are concerned with this knee-jerk approach.

Some of it has truth, making it expensive for companies to relocate or outsource may not be great for the overall economy, but it will preserve jobs.

What are some issues that you see Trump staying strong on as President? What change should we expect with him in office rather than Clinton?

The only thing I can see is that Trump will be less divisive on social issues than Clinton.
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5/20/2016 6:48:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 6:34:46 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:19:29 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:17:45 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:15:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/20/2016 6:01:03 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

I don't consider myself a #neverTrump voter. However, I do approach this election with skepticism. There are many positions with Trump I don't agree with, but lets start with his obvious pandering. This pandering sounds nice, but it also shows how easily he can sway with the wind. How do we know he will build a wall, nominate the right justice, or anything?

As long as the wall is a critical part of his platform, he will take more steps than any other president in history to make it happen. Presidents that fail to deliver on central key issues are doomed. Judges are a secondary issue, but it is likely he will take the party suggestions for nomination to avoid a voter backlash.

What about his method of bringing jobs back to America through tariffs? Surely, you are concerned with this knee-jerk approach.

Some of it has truth, making it expensive for companies to relocate or outsource may not be great for the overall economy, but it will preserve jobs.

What are some issues that you see Trump staying strong on as President? What change should we expect with him in office rather than Clinton?

The only thing I can see is that Trump will be less divisive on social issues than Clinton.

The real main thing that will happen is a complete reversal of 70 years of failed, unsustainable "world police" foreign policy. That is going to free up alot of domestic funds for much needed social improvements like mental health services and real health care.

That will be his real legacy, not the wall, or anything else he is currently running on.
There are entire generations that don't know what it was ever like to grow up in peace. The Middle East war itself has been going on longer than most of my students have been alive. That has to change; and only a political outsider to the military industrial complex has a remote chance at doing that.

As far as the wall goes, I think he will focus more on equal application of the laws with no favoritism to Mexicans. That's something that will eventually prove to be the most lasting uniting thing for the country. Americans should feel that American law is a common uniting factor, no matter who you are or what you look like. That's actually far more important than the wall itself, even if the wall ends up being nothing more than a symbolic gesture of our commitment to the rule of law. If we can achieve that united purpose, no price is too high to build that symbol. Divided application of the rule of law is the doom of us as a nation. The framers of the 14th amendment knew that. Trump needs to get us there.
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5/20/2016 7:19:21 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
The real main thing that will happen is a complete reversal of 70 years of failed, unsustainable "world police" foreign policy. That is going to free up alot of domestic funds for much needed social improvements like mental health services and real health care.

That will be his real legacy, not the wall, or anything else he is currently running on.
There are entire generations that don't know what it was ever like to grow up in peace. The Middle East war itself has been going on longer than most of my students have been alive. That has to change; and only a political outsider to the military industrial complex has a remote chance at doing that.

As far as the wall goes, I think he will focus more on equal application of the laws with no favoritism to Mexicans. That's something that will eventually prove to be the most lasting uniting thing for the country. Americans should feel that American law is a common uniting factor, no matter who you are or what you look like. That's actually far more important than the wall itself, even if the wall ends up being nothing more than a symbolic gesture of our commitment to the rule of law. If we can achieve that united purpose, no price is too high to build that symbol. Divided application of the rule of law is the doom of us as a nation. The framers of the 14th amendment knew that. Trump needs to get us there.

Interesting point, how do you know that Trump will follow his seemingly dovish foreign policy?
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5/20/2016 7:28:04 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 7:19:21 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
The real main thing that will happen is a complete reversal of 70 years of failed, unsustainable "world police" foreign policy. That is going to free up alot of domestic funds for much needed social improvements like mental health services and real health care.

That will be his real legacy, not the wall, or anything else he is currently running on.
There are entire generations that don't know what it was ever like to grow up in peace. The Middle East war itself has been going on longer than most of my students have been alive. That has to change; and only a political outsider to the military industrial complex has a remote chance at doing that.

As far as the wall goes, I think he will focus more on equal application of the laws with no favoritism to Mexicans. That's something that will eventually prove to be the most lasting uniting thing for the country. Americans should feel that American law is a common uniting factor, no matter who you are or what you look like. That's actually far more important than the wall itself, even if the wall ends up being nothing more than a symbolic gesture of our commitment to the rule of law. If we can achieve that united purpose, no price is too high to build that symbol. Divided application of the rule of law is the doom of us as a nation. The framers of the 14th amendment knew that. Trump needs to get us there.

Interesting point, how do you know that Trump will follow his seemingly dovish foreign policy?

Read his statements. He's already taken alot of heat for drawing down NATO troop support. And for suggesting that NATO nations should pay something for the troops that NATO wants there. He has said alot of other things too, like, instead of chasing an expensive kingmaker policy with Assad, we can just simply walk away and let Russia kill ISIS with our blessing. Nothing he talks about hints at a show of force, rather, quick efficient solutions, and a draw down and de-escalation. Something even Obama was not able to do.
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5/20/2016 7:34:10 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 7:19:21 PM, AdamEsk wrote:

Interesting point, how do you know that Trump will follow his seemingly dovish foreign policy?

Also, to add to this, Trump knows that Korea is mostly a CHINA problem. The Middle East is mostly a EUROPEAN problem. We really don't have a national interest in spending our coffers dry to support Europe and China!
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5/20/2016 7:42:50 PM
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Read his statements. He's already taken alot of heat for drawing down NATO troop support. And for suggesting that NATO nations should pay something for the troops that NATO wants there. He has said alot of other things too, like, instead of chasing an expensive kingmaker policy with Assad, we can just simply walk away and let Russia kill ISIS with our blessing. Nothing he talks about hints at a show of force, rather, quick efficient solutions, and a draw down and de-escalation. Something even Obama was not able to do.

I've read his statements and they sound nice. However, this may just be his attempt to win over more left leaning voters. Remember when he was trying to win Republican support? He openly campaigned to going after terrorists' families (which is a war crime). In my opinion, this is an extreme shift that should bring caution to any voter.
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5/20/2016 7:54:11 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 7:42:50 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Read his statements. He's already taken alot of heat for drawing down NATO troop support. And for suggesting that NATO nations should pay something for the troops that NATO wants there. He has said alot of other things too, like, instead of chasing an expensive kingmaker policy with Assad, we can just simply walk away and let Russia kill ISIS with our blessing. Nothing he talks about hints at a show of force, rather, quick efficient solutions, and a draw down and de-escalation. Something even Obama was not able to do.

I've read his statements and they sound nice. However, this may just be his attempt to win over more left leaning voters. Remember when he was trying to win Republican support? He openly campaigned to going after terrorists' families (which is a war crime). In my opinion, this is an extreme shift that should bring caution to any voter.

Im much more comfortable with those statements than the carpet bombing statements from the industrial complex candidates. I tend to look at the long view.
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5/20/2016 8:07:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/20/2016 7:42:50 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
I've read his statements and they sound nice. However, this may just be his attempt to win over more left leaning voters. Remember when he was trying to win Republican support? He openly campaigned to going after terrorists' families (which is a war crime). In my opinion, this is an extreme shift that should bring caution to any voter.

Ted Cruz promised to carpet bomb the middle east and make the sand glow. That's a far greater crime that targeting terrorist families. Cruz also is an Iraq war supporter.

Hillary Clinton supported the Iraq war, which is beyond a war crime, but is a crime against humanity. Trump maybe was a tepid supporter, Trump claims not to support the Iraq war.

So, on the issue of advocacy of war crimes, Trump is still the best man for President.
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5/21/2016 4:14:40 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 5:40:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 5/19/2016 3:45:55 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

Challenge accepted m8.

i thought you supported trump lol

He's a Somali Muslim living in Commie Canada and is far left. Why the hell would he support Trump :D?
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5/21/2016 4:15:38 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 2:36:31 PM, Objectivity wrote:
I will debate with any of you on the DDO Google Hangout about why Trump will make a good president, and how he is far better than Hillary Clinton. If you are willing to step up and stop hiding behind your keyboard, hit me up.

He's undeniably better than Clinton. I just don't like the fact that he is on par with Bernie on free trade, and free trade is something I happen to support, as well as many credible economists.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.