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5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?
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5/23/2016 10:56:09 PM
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At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Most rich people are either Democrats or Republicans. Very few wealthy are Libertarians.

The reason why Libertarians are mostly white men is because women tend to overwhelmingly vote to enlarge the state and minorities hate having their entitlements cut off and having to take responsibility for themselves. That's probably why.
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5/23/2016 10:58:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

That's great, good to know these damn minorities and poor people aren't infringing upon the glorious ideology.
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5/23/2016 11:04:51 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 10:56:09 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Most rich people are either Democrats or Republicans. Very few wealthy are Libertarians.

The reason why Libertarians are mostly white men is because women tend to overwhelmingly vote to enlarge the state and minorities hate having their entitlements cut off and having to take responsibility for themselves. That's probably why.

Actually, many rich people are Libertarian-ish, or they don't have a specific ideological preference. Libertarians generally can be Republicans, since they seem to be a small (but growing) "extremist" wing of the Republican Party.

Generally, the void created by drastically shrinking the government is replaced by those in power. And in the USA, those privileged people in power tend to be straight wealthy white men. I know many Libertarians tend to appeal to populism, but it seems to me it contradicts what their ideology is about. The privileged upper class tends to gain more power once the government is out of the way, and the disadvantaged in society tend to be shunned and oppressed once they have their way.
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5/23/2016 11:10:28 PM
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At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?
No. all it tells us is that it appeals to some demographics more than others.

but it's much easier to point-n-shriek through the proxy of identity politics than give a meaningful argument. which is far beyond the ability of Salon et al.

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?
There is nothing to justify. It's a retarded attempt at a shaming tactic. Doesn't even rise to the level of rhetoric.
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5/23/2016 11:13:53 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:10:28 PM, someloser wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?
No. all it tells us is that it appeals to some demographics more than others.

but it's much easier to point-n-shriek through the proxy of identity politics than give a meaningful argument. which is far beyond the ability of Salon et al.

The fact it appears to the privileged in American society does tell something about the ideology, it would be stupid to say appealing to narrow demographics don't mean anything.

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?
There is nothing to justify. It's a retarded attempt at a shaming tactic. Doesn't even rise to the level of rhetoric.

It isn't justified because unless you want to say it's some coincidence, the ideology appeals to the privileged. Generally, the highly privileged in society would support things that keep them in power, with the Libertarian movement aiding them in being in power.
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5/23/2016 11:14:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

The poor cis straight white factory worker voting for Trump is the real ultra privileged enemy. While the jewish gender non binary socialist feminist from a rich family is actually really oppressed because social justice.


Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

Does the sun set on the west? Do white men hold all the privilege in society? Are these rhetorical questions. As any wealthy gender studies major who got into university based on familial privilege or affirmative action should know, of course white men are the ones with privilege!


I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

I don't think a movement having a high percentage of white men is really defensible. Fewer things are more horrid than the white male menace that runs amok and the invisible privilege that we know all white men have even though nobody can see it but we still know exists because reasons tell us so.
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5/23/2016 11:16:33 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 11:10:28 PM, someloser wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?
No. all it tells us is that it appeals to some demographics more than others.

but it's much easier to point-n-shriek through the proxy of identity politics than give a meaningful argument. which is far beyond the ability of Salon et al.

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?
There is nothing to justify. It's a retarded attempt at a shaming tactic. Doesn't even rise to the level of rhetoric.

Don't you know the rules of 2016?

If something is disproportionately appealing to whites and/or males it's inherently unfair and immoral. Isn't that what Aristotle taught... never mind he was a white male so it doesn't matter.
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5/23/2016 11:18:08 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:04:51 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:56:09 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Most rich people are either Democrats or Republicans. Very few wealthy are Libertarians.

The reason why Libertarians are mostly white men is because women tend to overwhelmingly vote to enlarge the state and minorities hate having their entitlements cut off and having to take responsibility for themselves. That's probably why.

Actually, many rich people are Libertarian-ish, or they don't have a specific ideological preference. Libertarians generally can be Republicans, since they seem to be a small (but growing) "extremist" wing of the Republican Party.

Generally, the void created by drastically shrinking the government is replaced by those in power. And in the USA, those privileged people in power tend to be straight wealthy white men. I know many Libertarians tend to appeal to populism, but it seems to me it contradicts what their ideology is about. The privileged upper class tends to gain more power once the government is out of the way, and the disadvantaged in society tend to be shunned and oppressed once they have their way.

Valiantly defending the most powerful institution in society (the government) is actually somehow attacking the powerful elite because of social justice. I don't even know how to mock this anymore.
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5/23/2016 11:36:12 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:14:31 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.


The poor cis straight white factory worker voting for Trump is the real ultra privileged enemy. While the jewish gender non binary socialist feminist from a rich family is actually really oppressed because social justice.

Jews generally are wealthy, but the systemic racism in society generally makes it FAR easier for whites to gain power, influence, and wealth in society.



Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?


Does the sun set on the west? Do white men hold all the privilege in society? Are these rhetorical questions. As any wealthy gender studies major who got into university based on familial privilege or affirmative action should know, of course white men are the ones with privilege!

as I said, the systemic racism in the United States give a huge favor to white men in society, and other groups are disadvantages by a large margin. Women and other minorities are paid less, and the systemic discrimination laws make it harder for minorities to get influence, wealth, and jobs. The wealthy also generally tend to abuse their power in favor of themselves.



I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?


I don't think a movement having a high percentage of white men is really defensible. Fewer things are more horrid than the white male menace that runs amok and the invisible privilege that we know all white men have even though nobody can see it but we still know exists because reasons tell us so.

What?
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5/23/2016 11:40:11 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:36:12 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:14:31 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.


The poor cis straight white factory worker voting for Trump is the real ultra privileged enemy. While the jewish gender non binary socialist feminist from a rich family is actually really oppressed because social justice.

Jews generally are wealthy, but the systemic racism in society generally makes it FAR easier for whites to gain power, influence, and wealth in society.

Which is why we have these affirmative action rules that make it easier for whites to get into elite universities right?




Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?


Does the sun set on the west? Do white men hold all the privilege in society? Are these rhetorical questions. As any wealthy gender studies major who got into university based on familial privilege or affirmative action should know, of course white men are the ones with privilege!

as I said, the systemic racism in the United States give a huge favor to white men in society, and other groups are disadvantages by a large margin. Women and other minorities are paid less, and the systemic discrimination laws make it harder for minorities to get influence, wealth, and jobs. The wealthy also generally tend to abuse their power in favor of themselves.

Of course, actual researchers have looked into why women get paid less and found that it has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with skills and life choices: https://www.youtube.com...

But why let facts get in the way of a good narrative?

You're also certainly right about the wealthy abusing their power... kinda like how the rich push for mass immigration so they can get low wage labor while the native working class gets hurt.




I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?


I don't think a movement having a high percentage of white men is really defensible. Fewer things are more horrid than the white male menace that runs amok and the invisible privilege that we know all white men have even though nobody can see it but we still know exists because reasons tell us so.

What?

I'm just saying that any movement with a disproportionately high number of white males is morally suspect because social justice tells us how privilege white males are (the fact that white male privilege doesn't actually exist makes it even more important that we assert that it does)
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5/23/2016 11:40:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Probably because poor people are used to being told what to do. (shutup and vote Hillary you scum)
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5/23/2016 11:52:42 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:13:53 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
It isn't justified because unless you want to say it's some coincidence, the ideology appeals to the privileged.
A myriad of semi-fringe ideologies appeal to white males disproportionately. Even things that aren't ideologies (but still fringe).

If you want to argue that libertarianism is a veil for some white power grab, feel free to make your case.

But implying one's argument is much easier than actually making it. And avoids running the risk of counters.

At 5/23/2016 11:36:12 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
Jews generally are wealthy, but the systemic racism in society generally makes it FAR easier for whites to gain power, influence, and wealth in society.
Maybe if by whites you mean "Ashkenazi Jews in particular".

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5/23/2016 11:53:23 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:40:11 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:36:12 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:14:31 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.


The poor cis straight white factory worker voting for Trump is the real ultra privileged enemy. While the jewish gender non binary socialist feminist from a rich family is actually really oppressed because social justice.

Jews generally are wealthy, but the systemic racism in society generally makes it FAR easier for whites to gain power, influence, and wealth in society.


Which is why we have these affirmative action rules that make it easier for whites to get into elite universities right?

Affirmative action only fights against the current systemic racism that may favor whites and asians over under represented minorities. Affirmative action is also widely misunderstood by many, it intelligently takes into considering societal disadvantages that groups such as African Americans or Hispanics face in society.




Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?


Does the sun set on the west? Do white men hold all the privilege in society? Are these rhetorical questions. As any wealthy gender studies major who got into university based on familial privilege or affirmative action should know, of course white men are the ones with privilege!

as I said, the systemic racism in the United States give a huge favor to white men in society, and other groups are disadvantages by a large margin. Women and other minorities are paid less, and the systemic discrimination laws make it harder for minorities to get influence, wealth, and jobs. The wealthy also generally tend to abuse their power in favor of themselves.




Of course, actual researchers have looked into why women get paid less and found that it has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with skills and life choices: https://www.youtube.com...

But why let facts get in the way of a good narrative?

You're also certainly right about the wealthy abusing their power... kinda like how the rich push for mass immigration so they can get low wage labor while the native working class gets hurt.

I would be willing to do a debate later, but there are plenty of researchers that proved the wage gap exists.




I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?


I don't think a movement having a high percentage of white men is really defensible. Fewer things are more horrid than the white male menace that runs amok and the invisible privilege that we know all white men have even though nobody can see it but we still know exists because reasons tell us so.

What?


I'm just saying that any movement with a disproportionately high number of white males is morally suspect because social justice tells us how privilege white males are (the fact that white male privilege doesn't actually exist makes it even more important that we assert that it does)

Having a disproprotionately high number of whites to a large extent can tell something, can you think of any other reason other than privilege to why a movement/ideology would appeal to the most privileged in society?
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5/23/2016 11:58:22 PM
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At 5/23/2016 11:53:23 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:40:11 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:36:12 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:14:31 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.


The poor cis straight white factory worker voting for Trump is the real ultra privileged enemy. While the jewish gender non binary socialist feminist from a rich family is actually really oppressed because social justice.

Jews generally are wealthy, but the systemic racism in society generally makes it FAR easier for whites to gain power, influence, and wealth in society.


Which is why we have these affirmative action rules that make it easier for whites to get into elite universities right?

Affirmative action only fights against the current systemic racism that may favor whites and asians over under represented minorities. Affirmative action is also widely misunderstood by many, it intelligently takes into considering societal disadvantages that groups such as African Americans or Hispanics face in society.

That makes me wonder. Asians also faced historical societal disadvantages.... why exactly do they do better than whites without affirmative action?

Asians also happen to have higher average IQs and more productive cultures and families than whites while blacks and hispanics lag whites in those regards. Occam would suggest that those factors, and not systematic oppression, would explain the achievement gaps. But Occam is racist (along with logic and science)?

Also interesting how all the "marginalized" groups seem to be the ones that have actual concrete examples of laws and rules that favor them. And the institutions creating these rules that favor women and minorities are the same institutions that hold power in society. Almost as if the white males holding institutional privilege meme is total nonsense.





Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?


Does the sun set on the west? Do white men hold all the privilege in society? Are these rhetorical questions. As any wealthy gender studies major who got into university based on familial privilege or affirmative action should know, of course white men are the ones with privilege!

as I said, the systemic racism in the United States give a huge favor to white men in society, and other groups are disadvantages by a large margin. Women and other minorities are paid less, and the systemic discrimination laws make it harder for minorities to get influence, wealth, and jobs. The wealthy also generally tend to abuse their power in favor of themselves.




Of course, actual researchers have looked into why women get paid less and found that it has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with skills and life choices: https://www.youtube.com...

But why let facts get in the way of a good narrative?

You're also certainly right about the wealthy abusing their power... kinda like how the rich push for mass immigration so they can get low wage labor while the native working class gets hurt.

I would be willing to do a debate later, but there are plenty of researchers that proved the wage gap exists.

Not any good research.





I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?


I don't think a movement having a high percentage of white men is really defensible. Fewer things are more horrid than the white male menace that runs amok and the invisible privilege that we know all white men have even though nobody can see it but we still know exists because reasons tell us so.

What?


I'm just saying that any movement with a disproportionately high number of white males is morally suspect because social justice tells us how privilege white males are (the fact that white male privilege doesn't actually exist makes it even more important that we assert that it does)

Having a disproprotionately high number of whites to a large extent can tell something, can you think of any other reason other than privilege to why a movement/ideology would appeal to the most privileged in society?

Ya. One reason being that whites actually aren't the most privileged. Even if they were, there are many cultural and biological possibilities that could explain such a thing, but do SJWs ever really use logic or facts???
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5/24/2016 12:51:01 AM
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At 5/23/2016 11:04:51 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:56:09 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Most rich people are either Democrats or Republicans. Very few wealthy are Libertarians.

The reason why Libertarians are mostly white men is because women tend to overwhelmingly vote to enlarge the state and minorities hate having their entitlements cut off and having to take responsibility for themselves. That's probably why.

Actually, many rich people are Libertarian-ish, or they don't have a specific ideological preference. Libertarians generally can be Republicans, since they seem to be a small (but growing) "extremist" wing of the Republican Party.

Being Libertarian-ish is not being Libertarian. People that are socially liberal are Libertarian-ish, as we find that the government has no right to get in the middle of people's private lives. The Libertarians are not even close to being Republicans, considering one is an ideology and the other is a party.


Generally, the void created by drastically shrinking the government is replaced by those in power. And in the USA, those privileged people in power tend to be straight wealthy white men. I know many Libertarians tend to appeal to populism, but it seems to me it contradicts what their ideology is about. The privileged upper class tends to gain more power once the government is out of the way, and the disadvantaged in society tend to be shunned and oppressed once they have their way.

That's a contradictory argument if I ever saw one. Without government power, there is no "power" for any form of wealthy. In fact, much of the corporate wealth can be easily lost in an economy with little government involvement as there corporations are no longer protected and subsidized by the government. If they cannot stay competitive, they will blunder and fail.

Also, considering the current power is in the hands of straight white men in government, what makes you think that it's bad for power to be in the hands of straight white men in the private sector, especially when the government doesn't look to please anyone while the private sector must adhere to everything that the customer wants. What power can there be when there is no power handed out? You think having wealth in a free market gives you power? Au contraire.
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5/24/2016 12:52:01 AM
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At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

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There's really nothing to justify... Just because someone is a white male doesn't mean they want ultimate power, I mean are you telling me that someone like Ron Paul wants to oppress minorities and women? This is ridiculous and one of the biggest and least informed generalizations I've ever seen.

Libertarians don't pander and squander for votes either like the other two parties. IE democrats and welfare programs or republicans and military spending. The message of the party is maximum individual liberty in a legal and economic sense. Tell me how this is racist.
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5/24/2016 12:55:53 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 11:53:23 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:40:11 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:36:12 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:14:31 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.


The poor cis straight white factory worker voting for Trump is the real ultra privileged enemy. While the jewish gender non binary socialist feminist from a rich family is actually really oppressed because social justice.

Jews generally are wealthy, but the systemic racism in society generally makes it FAR easier for whites to gain power, influence, and wealth in society.


Which is why we have these affirmative action rules that make it easier for whites to get into elite universities right?

Affirmative action only fights against the current systemic racism that may favor whites and asians over under represented minorities. Affirmative action is also widely misunderstood by many, it intelligently takes into considering societal disadvantages that groups such as African Americans or Hispanics face in society.




Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?


Does the sun set on the west? Do white men hold all the privilege in society? Are these rhetorical questions. As any wealthy gender studies major who got into university based on familial privilege or affirmative action should know, of course white men are the ones with privilege!

as I said, the systemic racism in the United States give a huge favor to white men in society, and other groups are disadvantages by a large margin. Women and other minorities are paid less, and the systemic discrimination laws make it harder for minorities to get influence, wealth, and jobs. The wealthy also generally tend to abuse their power in favor of themselves.




Of course, actual researchers have looked into why women get paid less and found that it has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with skills and life choices: https://www.youtube.com...

But why let facts get in the way of a good narrative?

You're also certainly right about the wealthy abusing their power... kinda like how the rich push for mass immigration so they can get low wage labor while the native working class gets hurt.

I would be willing to do a debate later, but there are plenty of researchers that proved the wage gap exists.

It's a good thing you didn't say "good" researchers, because no credible economist takes the sophist myth that is the wage gap seriously. It doesn't exist in the least.





I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?


I don't think a movement having a high percentage of white men is really defensible. Fewer things are more horrid than the white male menace that runs amok and the invisible privilege that we know all white men have even though nobody can see it but we still know exists because reasons tell us so.

What?


I'm just saying that any movement with a disproportionately high number of white males is morally suspect because social justice tells us how privilege white males are (the fact that white male privilege doesn't actually exist makes it even more important that we assert that it does)

Having a disproprotionately high number of whites to a large extent can tell something, can you think of any other reason other than privilege to why a movement/ideology would appeal to the most privileged in society?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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5/24/2016 12:57:50 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

I just noticed that you quoted Salon. Are you serious? Salon is probably the most brain-dead halfway mentally retarded site I've ever visited in my life.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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5/24/2016 1:01:49 AM
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I am also going to point out that Social Democrats and Bernie Sanders supporters tend to be very white too, it's just that they aren't as white as Libertarians by baiting in minorities. (i.e. supporting black lives matter, exaggerating racism, etc.)

Generally, "new" movements and ideas tend to be popular among what you would call "privileged" people in society.
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5/24/2016 1:05:20 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Who the movementbis made up of does not discredit it. I am a Libertarian and grew up very disadvantaged, admittedly I am a white male.

Some libertarians are brutalists and that is fine. They believe that it is unethical for the government to do anything other than protect the negative rights of citizens, the brutalists don't argue the results of libertarian philosophy, they just argue whether the philosophy is correct.

I am probably what you would call a compassionate libertarian. I honestly think that the poor would be virtually non existent under libertarian policy, and the very few poor that remain would be easily taken carebof by charity and relatives.

I also think that we as Libertarians can and should compromise to make progress. I would be pro a basic minimum income which helps the poor. I would help minorities by ending the war on drugs.

We should focus on the ideals of a group and not the make up of it. You would be disgusted if I dismissed an ideal because it came from predominantly black women, so show me the same respect and disregard bias against a group when analyzing their ideals.
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5/24/2016 1:08:31 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 11:04:51 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:56:09 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Most rich people are either Democrats or Republicans. Very few wealthy are Libertarians.

The reason why Libertarians are mostly white men is because women tend to overwhelmingly vote to enlarge the state and minorities hate having their entitlements cut off and having to take responsibility for themselves. That's probably why.

Actually, many rich people are Libertarian-ish, or they don't have a specific ideological preference. Libertarians generally can be Republicans, since they seem to be a small (but growing) "extremist" wing of the Republican Party.

Generally, the void created by drastically shrinking the government is replaced by those in power. And in the USA, those privileged people in power tend to be straight wealthy white men. I know many Libertarians tend to appeal to populism, but it seems to me it contradicts what their ideology is about. The privileged upper class tends to gain more power once the government is out of the way, and the disadvantaged in society tend to be shunned and oppressed once they have their way.

Not really true. The rich usually use the government to create policies that favor them, so they would do worse if less policies were created, because them there would be less policies that give them an unfair advantage in the market. Even Marx acknowledged that the rich abuse the system, if you want to trust a lefties analysis instead of mine.
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5/24/2016 1:36:30 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 1:08:31 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/23/2016 11:04:51 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:56:09 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 10:53:06 PM, SocialJusticeWarrior wrote:
https://www.salon.com...

If you google libertarianism and "rich white men," you will find many sources linked to polls and studies that do indeed prove that Libertarianism is an ideology popular among young, wealthy, white, men. In fact, whites are 94% of the Libertarian movement and the movement tends to be male-dominated, with around 40% of libertarians being women or another gender other than male.

Does this show that the Libertarian ideology tends to favor those who have power, and tends to be harsh to the disadvantaged in society?

I am curious to know how Libertarian DDO is, and can any Libertarians justify the fact that their ideology/movement is mostly made up of the wealthy, rich, and white?

Most rich people are either Democrats or Republicans. Very few wealthy are Libertarians.

The reason why Libertarians are mostly white men is because women tend to overwhelmingly vote to enlarge the state and minorities hate having their entitlements cut off and having to take responsibility for themselves. That's probably why.

Actually, many rich people are Libertarian-ish, or they don't have a specific ideological preference. Libertarians generally can be Republicans, since they seem to be a small (but growing) "extremist" wing of the Republican Party.

Generally, the void created by drastically shrinking the government is replaced by those in power. And in the USA, those privileged people in power tend to be straight wealthy white men. I know many Libertarians tend to appeal to populism, but it seems to me it contradicts what their ideology is about. The privileged upper class tends to gain more power once the government is out of the way, and the disadvantaged in society tend to be shunned and oppressed once they have their way.

Not really true. The rich usually use the government to create policies that favor them, so they would do worse if less policies were created, because them there would be less policies that give them an unfair advantage in the market. Even Marx acknowledged that the rich abuse the system, if you want to trust a lefties analysis instead of mine.

You're not thinking like an SJW. SJWs know that criticizing the most powerful institution in society (the government) is somehow actually giving more power to the powerful. While at the same time defending the most powerful institution from criticism is somehow fighting the power structure. Does it make sense? Making sense is a white male thing and you're racist for even asking.