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5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM
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Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.
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5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM
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I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...
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5/25/2016 11:10:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

I heard in the news that they protest against the new labor law that was imposed by the government in spite of large social protests. Now what you personally think of it depends on what side of the fence you are on. A civil war? Hardly. We will see who will give up first; the gov or the street.
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5/25/2016 11:48:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

I think that is called a riot, and based on reports from France, it sounds like the riots started after French police began beating striking workers and tried to shut down the protests. In other words, it was a police riot.
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5/26/2016 11:18:15 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/25/2016 11:48:47 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

I think that is called a riot, and based on reports from France, it sounds like the riots started after French police began beating striking workers and tried to shut down the protests. In other words, it was a police riot.

No, the protesters started by gravely injuring 300 policemen. Then, they decided to try and set fire to an oil depot and also to destroy a nuclear power station. They're a threat that should be removed.
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5/26/2016 11:18:49 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Throwing a molotov cocktail in a policeman's face is war. Burning a fuel depot is war. Destroying the country by shutting down all it's fuel and nuclear power is war.
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5/26/2016 3:26:35 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Any situation in which the french are able to surrender, even to each other, is technically a war.
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5/26/2016 4:32:55 PM
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At 5/26/2016 3:26:35 PM, tornshoe92 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Any situation in which the french are able to surrender, even to each other, is technically a war.

It might be on the level of the Oregon standoff or something, but it is very far removed from being a full-fledged war. France wouldn't be plunged into a war over something like this. They're a highly developed nation with a transparent, accountable, and humanitarian government. Now, over in Spain there is an actual possibility of a war breaking out (though I admit it's unlikely).
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5/26/2016 4:36:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 4:32:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/26/2016 3:26:35 PM, tornshoe92 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Any situation in which the french are able to surrender, even to each other, is technically a war.

It might be on the level of the Oregon standoff or something, but it is very far removed from being a full-fledged war. France wouldn't be plunged into a war over something like this. They're a highly developed nation with a transparent, accountable, and humanitarian government. Now, over in Spain there is an actual possibility of a war breaking out (though I admit it's unlikely).

It's just a police action against labor thugs.
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5/26/2016 5:08:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 4:32:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/26/2016 3:26:35 PM, tornshoe92 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Any situation in which the french are able to surrender, even to each other, is technically a war.

It might be on the level of the Oregon standoff or something, but it is very far removed from being a full-fledged war. France wouldn't be plunged into a war over something like this. They're a highly developed nation with a transparent, accountable, and humanitarian government. Now, over in Spain there is an actual possibility of a war breaking out (though I admit it's unlikely).

It was a joke...
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5/26/2016 6:16:41 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 11:18:15 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/25/2016 11:48:47 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

I think that is called a riot, and based on reports from France, it sounds like the riots started after French police began beating striking workers and tried to shut down the protests. In other words, it was a police riot.

No, the protesters started by gravely injuring 300 policemen. Then, they decided to try and set fire to an oil depot and also to destroy a nuclear power station. They're a threat that should be removed.

Okay, that is a gross exaggeration and manipulation of the facts.
For starters, you make it sound like the french workers decided one day to go out and attack police officers. However, the protests have been going on for weeks now, and rioting only began when the police when ordered to enforce the state of emergency which bans public protests. The striking workers didn't take to happily to being forced to go home with billy clubs and tear gas, so they fought back. That is called a riot. Not a civil war.
Secondly, you say that they "set fire to an oil station" however there are no reports of that happening, and when you say oil station, I think you mean gas station. The gas station workers are on strike protesting labour reforms. And no one attempted to "destroy a nuclear power station", they just shut it down because the people who work there are on strike.

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5/26/2016 6:19:11 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 4:36:06 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/26/2016 4:32:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/26/2016 3:26:35 PM, tornshoe92 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Any situation in which the french are able to surrender, even to each other, is technically a war.

It might be on the level of the Oregon standoff or something, but it is very far removed from being a full-fledged war. France wouldn't be plunged into a war over something like this. They're a highly developed nation with a transparent, accountable, and humanitarian government. Now, over in Spain there is an actual possibility of a war breaking out (though I admit it's unlikely).

It's just a police action against labor thugs.

Translation: Police violently suppressing striking workers
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5/26/2016 6:19:35 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 3:26:35 PM, tornshoe92 wrote:
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Any situation in which the french are able to surrender, even to each other, is technically a war.

good point
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5/26/2016 6:21:11 PM
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At 5/25/2016 11:10:31 PM, AnnaCzereda wrote:
At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

I heard in the news that they protest against the new labor law that was imposed by the government in spite of large social protests. Now what you personally think of it depends on what side of the fence you are on. A civil war? Hardly. We will see who will give up first; the gov or the street.

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5/26/2016 6:25:10 PM
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At 5/26/2016 11:18:49 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/25/2016 10:54:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I'd hardly call the current situation in France a "civil war"...

Throwing a molotov cocktail in a policeman's face is war. Burning a fuel depot is war. Destroying the country by shutting down all it's fuel and nuclear power is war.

No, it's a riot. If they were shooting guns, that would be a battle, but not even a war. By your logic the Oregon standoff was a war.

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5/26/2016 6:46:55 PM
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At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

This is more like "civil disruption" than "civil war".
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5/26/2016 7:17:44 PM
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At 5/26/2016 6:46:55 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 5/25/2016 9:27:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
Civil war has broken out in France as members of the corrupt Trade Union are trying to seize power and circumvent democracy. They have injured 300 policemen, fatally injured another and even killed one, setting cars on fire and even setting fire to an oil depot.

This is more like "civil disruption" than "civil war".

Exactly