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5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?
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5/28/2016 7:56:13 PM
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I assume this is for the US?
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5/28/2016 8:03:27 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Your source was nearly impossible to read. Is this the only source you used?
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5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.
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5/28/2016 8:14:06 PM
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Now trying not to be inflammatory, this doesn't include the figure of crime. Naturally, natives get away with crime one way or other so this is moot.
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5/28/2016 8:16:47 PM
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Obvious confounders are obvious.

Here: http://www.theatlantic.com...
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5/28/2016 8:41:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 8:16:47 PM, someloser wrote:
Obvious confounders are obvious.

Here: http://www.theatlantic.com...

To be fair, the article ignores that most of the crime is done by repeat offenders--IIRC, it was an average of 5 per criminal. At 2.89 million offenses (including immigration offenses) with an average of 5 crimes per criminal, you've got about 600,000 criminals out of 10 million illegal immigrants. I read the cited GAO study's summary, and it put the average at an even higher 7, while also noting that 50% of the crimes were immigration-related, drug-related, or traffic violations. 6% is hardly what I would call a tremendously high crime rate, especially when we're only looking at illegal immigrants.
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5/28/2016 8:47:34 PM
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At 5/28/2016 7:56:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I assume this is for the US?

I checked, and the first study the review listed was done on the US,

"In the present study, we seek to advance the literature on the connection between immigration and crime by attending to these limitations. Specifically, we investigate the impact of change in measures of immigration on change in serious crime for 159 U.S. cities from 1980 through 2000."
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'd assume its the same for the other studies
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5/28/2016 8:52:04 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:03:27 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Your source was nearly impossible to read. Is this the only source you used?

In what way is it impossible to read? Is english not your native language or something? And thats the source I got the quote from...
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5/28/2016 8:52:41 PM
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At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

This certainly cannot be said about Muslim immigrants, especially in Europe. From what I read online and have been hearing in the news, they commit more crimes than the natives or even white immigrants. You know, I don't want to sound like a racist but certain facts just can't be swept under the rug. In the Western Europe, especially in France and Germany, there are Muslim ghettos, the no-go zones that are ridden with crime. The police has been afraid to venture there so the inhabitants were left to their own devices, they even established their own Sharia law. Only after the terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, the police finally raided the ghettos. Not to mention the multiple cases of rapes and sexual abuse in Germany.

Not a better situation is in the refugee shelters or camps in Germany, where women are regularly harassed, raped or forced into prostitution and the refugees of different faiths than Islam are beaten or otherwise harassed.
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5/28/2016 8:54:40 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

Can you source this?
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5/28/2016 8:56:42 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:52:41 PM, AnnaCzereda wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

This certainly cannot be said about Muslim immigrants, especially in Europe. From what I read online and have been hearing in the news, they commit more crimes than the natives or even white immigrants. You know, I don't want to sound like a racist but certain facts just can't be swept under the rug. In the Western Europe, especially in France and Germany, there are Muslim ghettos, the no-go zones that are ridden with crime. The police has been afraid to venture there so the inhabitants were left to their own devices, they even established their own Sharia law. Only after the terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, the police finally raided the ghettos. Not to mention the multiple cases of rapes and sexual abuse in Germany.

Not a better situation is in the refugee shelters or camps in Germany, where women are regularly harassed, raped or forced into prostitution and the refugees of different faiths than Islam are beaten or otherwise harassed.

This is definately interesting. Can you link me to the study or research paper?
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5/28/2016 8:58:12 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:52:04 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:03:27 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Your source was nearly impossible to read. Is this the only source you used?

In what way is it impossible to read? Is english not your native language or something? And thats the source I got the quote from...
Maybe its my phone but i cant get the font bigger.

They claim "study after study" but do they actually source those studies?
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5/28/2016 8:58:29 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:14:06 PM, Geographia wrote:
Now trying not to be inflammatory, this doesn't include the figure of crime. Naturally, natives get away with crime one way or other so this is moot.

Why would natives be more likely to get away with crime than immigrants?
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5/28/2016 8:59:53 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 8:58:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:52:04 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:03:27 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Your source was nearly impossible to read. Is this the only source you used?

In what way is it impossible to read? Is english not your native language or something? And thats the source I got the quote from...
Maybe its my phone but i cant get the font bigger.

yeah, some phones have bad pdf viewers, there's apps for that

They claim "study after study" but do they actually source those studies?

Yes, I just didn't include it in my quote. There were like 5 different sources on the page I read, and I haven't read the rest of the review.
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5/28/2016 9:08:57 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:59:53 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:58:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:52:04 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:03:27 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Your source was nearly impossible to read. Is this the only source you used?

In what way is it impossible to read? Is english not your native language or something? And thats the source I got the quote from...
Maybe its my phone but i cant get the font bigger.

yeah, some phones have bad pdf viewers, there's apps for that

They claim "study after study" but do they actually source those studies?

Yes, I just didn't include it in my quote. There were like 5 different sources on the page I read, and I haven't read the rest of the review.

Ok thanks for checking.
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5/28/2016 9:39:23 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

this was for the US, so I fail to see the relevance of European stats
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5/28/2016 9:40:55 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:56:42 PM, Hayd wrote:
This is definately interesting. Can you link me to the study or research paper?

I haven't found any study. I got that from the news and the articles I read. Besides, the study you linked to is about the US, not Europe.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org...

This is about the situation of women in the refugee camps.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org...

This is about no-go zones.

http://www.independent.co.uk...

This is about sexual assaults in Cologne. Anyway, it was all over in the media.
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5/28/2016 9:41:48 PM
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At 5/28/2016 9:39:23 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

this was for the US, so I fail to see the relevance of European stats

I didn't know what country this was referring to.
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5/28/2016 9:42:57 PM
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At 5/28/2016 9:41:48 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:39:23 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

this was for the US, so I fail to see the relevance of European stats

I didn't know what country this was referring to.

It mostly talks about the US.
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5/28/2016 9:47:11 PM
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At 5/28/2016 9:42:57 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:41:48 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:39:23 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

this was for the US, so I fail to see the relevance of European stats

I didn't know what country this was referring to.

It mostly talks about the US.

Well it would be true in this case because we don't have radical Islamist fascists flocking in like with Europe.
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5/28/2016 9:50:24 PM
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At 5/28/2016 9:47:11 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:42:57 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:41:48 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:39:23 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

this was for the US, so I fail to see the relevance of European stats

I didn't know what country this was referring to.

It mostly talks about the US.

Well it would be true in this case because we don't have Muslims flocking in like with Europe.

I removed the meaningless political buzzwords
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5/28/2016 10:06:26 PM
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At 5/28/2016 9:50:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:47:11 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:42:57 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:41:48 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 9:39:23 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

this was for the US, so I fail to see the relevance of European stats

I didn't know what country this was referring to.

It mostly talks about the US.

Well it would be true in this case because we don't have Muslims flocking in like with Europe.

I removed the meaningless political buzzwords

I never said I am against Muslim immigration. I'm against radical Islamists that support Sharia law, screening should kick those people out and prevent them from entering.
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5/28/2016 10:17:41 PM
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At 5/28/2016 8:09:22 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

Maybe immigrants from certain areas are less likely to do crime. This isn't true for Islamic immigrants from the middle east, whom are far more likely to do crime in Europe.

Correct.
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5/28/2016 10:18:34 PM
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At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

If you count illegal immigration to be a crime itself, which it is, then every single one of them is a criminal as they are breaking immigration laws. Also, immigrants in Europe tend to commit crime at a much, much larger rate than Europeans do in their own nations.
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5/28/2016 10:25:33 PM
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At 5/28/2016 7:54:47 PM, Hayd wrote:
Its been a stereotype that immigrants cause crime, "yet, as many scholars know, a substantial literature consistently finds that immigrants are less, not more, crime prone than their native-born counterparts. Study after study documents that immigrants are less likely to be involved in, or to be institutionalized for, criminal involvement compared with the native born"
https://webfiles.uci.edu...

I'll have to check the studies to see if it includes illegal immigration, if it does, that will be really interesting. I'm also curious why that is. Maybe immigrants have more respect for the country and its better society because it has improved their lives, whilst native born take it for granted?

What about illegal immigrants. Where are those stats? Legal immigrant stats are completely useless.