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chass23RN
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5/30/2016 4:10:28 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Do you think obamacare is a good thing for our country? Do you plan to vote for hillary or bernie who both want to continue obamacare? You better think twice. I live in a state with alot of people on medicaid. I work within the Healthcare system and just learned multiple long term care facilities as well as rural hospitals just filed for bankruptcy. There is no longer enough medicaid money in my state. These facilities can not get paid for Atleast a year. My friend who owns funeral homes is also in financial trouble. Many who have trusts thru medicaid to help pay for funerals cant use the money. He has a room full of erns filled with the ashes of dead family members that can't afford to pay for them. I have worked in Healthcare for 16 years and never witnessed such financial problems. We have some patients waiting weeks for surgery or for appointments with specialists. When you have more people receiving benefits or cheap health insurance than you have working paying into it, you will have problems. If we continue on this path that Obama started we won't make it. Where do people think the money comes from? I have worked as a home health case manager for 4 years and I see first hand what is going on. I would love for someone who actually works within the healthcare system tell me why we should vote for a president that will continue with obamacare.
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5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:10:28 PM, chass23RN wrote:
Do you think obamacare is a good thing for our country? Do you plan to vote for hillary or bernie who both want to continue obamacare? You better think twice. I live in a state with alot of people on medicaid. I work within the Healthcare system and just learned multiple long term care facilities as well as rural hospitals just filed for bankruptcy. There is no longer enough medicaid money in my state. These facilities can not get paid for Atleast a year. My friend who owns funeral homes is also in financial trouble. Many who have trusts thru medicaid to help pay for funerals cant use the money. He has a room full of erns filled with the ashes of dead family members that can't afford to pay for them. I have worked in Healthcare for 16 years and never witnessed such financial problems. We have some patients waiting weeks for surgery or for appointments with specialists. When you have more people receiving benefits or cheap health insurance than you have working paying into it, you will have problems. If we continue on this path that Obama started we won't make it. Where do people think the money comes from? I have worked as a home health case manager for 4 years and I see first hand what is going on. I would love for someone who actually works within the healthcare system tell me why we should vote for a president that will continue with obamacare.

The simple fix is to raise taxes.
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5/30/2016 4:57:18 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:10:28 PM, chass23RN wrote:
Do you think obamacare is a good thing for our country? Do you plan to vote for hillary or bernie who both want to continue obamacare? You better think twice. I live in a state with alot of people on Medicaid. I work within the Healthcare system and just learned multiple long term care facilities as well as rural hospitals just filed for bankruptcy. There is no longer enough medicaid money in my state. These facilities can not get paid for Atleast a year. My friend who owns funeral homes is also in financial trouble. Many who have trusts thru medicaid to help pay for funerals cant use the money. He has a room full of erns filled with the ashes of dead family members that can't afford to pay for them. I have worked in Healthcare for 16 years and never witnessed such financial problems. We have some patients waiting weeks for surgery or for appointments with specialists. When you have more people receiving benefits or cheap health insurance than you have working paying into it, you will have problems. If we continue on this path that Obama started we won't make it. Where do people think the money comes from? I have worked as a home health case manager for 4 years and I see first hand what is going on. I would love for someone who actually works within the healthcare system tell me why we should vote for a president that will continue with obamacare.

Look at the Canadian health care system. Go beyond how the US media portrays it. They still have a private health care system but eliminated the middle man of insurance. Their bureaucracy for Medicare is far more streamlined than the US. They manage care very well for all.
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5/30/2016 10:32:48 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:10:28 PM, chass23RN wrote:
Do you think obamacare is a good thing for our country? Do you plan to vote for hillary or bernie who both want to continue obamacare? You better think twice. I live in a state with alot of people on medicaid. I work within the Healthcare system and just learned multiple long term care facilities as well as rural hospitals just filed for bankruptcy. There is no longer enough medicaid money in my state. These facilities can not get paid for Atleast a year. My friend who owns funeral homes is also in financial trouble. Many who have trusts thru medicaid to help pay for funerals cant use the money. He has a room full of erns filled with the ashes of dead family members that can't afford to pay for them. I have worked in Healthcare for 16 years and never witnessed such financial problems. We have some patients waiting weeks for surgery or for appointments with specialists. When you have more people receiving benefits or cheap health insurance than you have working paying into it, you will have problems. If we continue on this path that Obama started we won't make it. Where do people think the money comes from? I have worked as a home health case manager for 4 years and I see first hand what is going on. I would love for someone who actually works within the healthcare system tell me why we should vote for a president that will continue with obamacare.

To be fair Bernie wants to do away with Obama are and go to a Medicare for all system. Obamacare is a corporate handout.
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6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.
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6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.
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6/1/2016 4:14:15 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

I agree.
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6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.
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6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.
Wylted
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6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.
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6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.
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6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?
Burzmali
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6/1/2016 6:11:30 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:10:28 PM, chass23RN wrote:
Do you think obamacare is a good thing for our country? Do you plan to vote for hillary or bernie who both want to continue obamacare? You better think twice. I live in a state with alot of people on medicaid. I work within the Healthcare system and just learned multiple long term care facilities as well as rural hospitals just filed for bankruptcy. There is no longer enough medicaid money in my state. These facilities can not get paid for Atleast a year. My friend who owns funeral homes is also in financial trouble. Many who have trusts thru medicaid to help pay for funerals cant use the money. He has a room full of erns filled with the ashes of dead family members that can't afford to pay for them. I have worked in Healthcare for 16 years and never witnessed such financial problems. We have some patients waiting weeks for surgery or for appointments with specialists. When you have more people receiving benefits or cheap health insurance than you have working paying into it, you will have problems. If we continue on this path that Obama started we won't make it. Where do people think the money comes from? I have worked as a home health case manager for 4 years and I see first hand what is going on. I would love for someone who actually works within the healthcare system tell me why we should vote for a president that will continue with obamacare.

Are you in one of the states that decided to reject federal medicaid funds? Your problem may not be Obamacare, but could actually be an issue of conservatives sacrificing the poor for the sake of principle.
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6/1/2016 6:14:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?

Insurance offered in the free market is much much more likely to deny treatment. Before ACA is was almost impossible to get non-group coverage with a pre-existing condition.
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6/1/2016 6:45:16 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:57:18 PM, Peepette wrote:
Look at the Canadian health care system. Go beyond how the US media portrays it. They still have a private health care system but eliminated the middle man of insurance. Their bureaucracy for Medicare is far more streamlined than the US. They manage care very well for all.

How would Canada do if half their country were black and Hispanic? Demographics is a bigger factor than economic model. Try running a mile with a negro on your back.

Canada is under 5% black and Hispanic, the US is nearing 50% black and Hispanic.
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6/1/2016 6:51:05 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 6:14:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?

Insurance offered in the free market is much much more likely to deny treatment. Before ACA is was almost impossible to get non-group coverage with a pre-existing condition.

That was the result of anti freemarket regulations. In a free market more competition would exist for insurance companies forcing them to offer better services to survive, but in actuality healthcare would be so affordable nobody would need insurance. Insurance vecoming the norm as a result of FDRs policy actually disincentivized keeping prices low. The FDA makes it expensive to develop a drug etc.
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6/1/2016 7:20:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 6:51:05 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:14:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?

Insurance offered in the free market is much much more likely to deny treatment. Before ACA is was almost impossible to get non-group coverage with a pre-existing condition.

That was the result of anti freemarket regulations. In a free market more competition would exist for insurance companies forcing them to offer better services to survive, but in actuality healthcare would be so affordable nobody would need insurance. Insurance vecoming the norm as a result of FDRs policy actually disincentivized keeping prices low. The FDA makes it expensive to develop a drug etc.

How would healthcare be so affordable in a free market system (ignoring the fact that a true free market is impossible)? Especially for stuff like transplants and chemo? Doctors aren't cheap. Medicine isn't cheap.
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6/1/2016 8:05:43 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 7:20:13 PM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:51:05 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:14:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?

Insurance offered in the free market is much much more likely to deny treatment. Before ACA is was almost impossible to get non-group coverage with a pre-existing condition.

That was the result of anti freemarket regulations. In a free market more competition would exist for insurance companies forcing them to offer better services to survive, but in actuality healthcare would be so affordable nobody would need insurance. Insurance vecoming the norm as a result of FDRs policy actually disincentivized keeping prices low. The FDA makes it expensive to develop a drug etc.

How would healthcare be so affordable in a free market system (ignoring the fact that a true free market is impossible)? Especially for stuff like transplants and chemo? Doctors aren't cheap. Medicine isn't cheap.

Medicine is expensive because it takes a hundred million dollars to create an FDA approved medicine, without the FDA it sould ve cheaper. Also vecoming a Doctor would have less of a barrier to entry, less qualified doctors will be cheaper. Also with more competition among drugs and doctors even the top rates would come down
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6/1/2016 8:24:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 6:51:05 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:14:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?

Insurance offered in the free market is much much more likely to deny treatment. Before ACA is was almost impossible to get non-group coverage with a pre-existing condition.

That was the result of anti freemarket regulations. In a free market more competition would exist for insurance companies forcing them to offer better services to survive, but in actuality healthcare would be so affordable nobody would need insurance. Insurance vecoming the norm as a result of FDRs policy actually disincentivized keeping prices low. The FDA makes it expensive to develop a drug etc.

We could argue out the differences in this last post, suffice to say I disagree with much of it.
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6/1/2016 8:45:57 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 8:05:43 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 7:20:13 PM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:51:05 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:14:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:04:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 5:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:53:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:48:46 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:19:51 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/1/2016 4:08:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 6/1/2016 3:50:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:25:25 PM, TBR wrote:

The simple fix is to raise taxes.

There is no tax plan that can currently cover our deficit without a reduction in spending.

The topic is healthcare, and we most certainly can afford expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.

Want to cut? Ok, military FIRST.

Clearly the military should be cut, but it amazes me that Democrats are completely unaware that wasteful spending exists outside of the military.

There is waste, some is normal and expected. The point is still that the US can afford universal healthcare.

Sure, and admittedly that would be better than the current system, though we can look at the VA clinics to know what that type of system looks like, but a true capitalistic one would provide better service, have more competition and still be affordable to practically everyone.

Hpw do I know that? I can trace every single problem with the current system to a government regulation/action. Remove those regulations and then all the problems go away.

I know in your paleoconservative mind, the government can't do anything right, however, medicare is a very cost-efficient and well-liked system.

They have shown a lack of ability to. Hell medicare wouldn't even be neccessary in a Laisse Faire system. Everyone would be able to afford superior treatment.

Why are you opposed to high quality healthcare? Why do you want a world where medicare can deem a life saving treatment unneccesary and let you die, instead of one where you can get that treatment if you and your doctor decide that is the best course?

Insurance offered in the free market is much much more likely to deny treatment. Before ACA is was almost impossible to get non-group coverage with a pre-existing condition.

That was the result of anti freemarket regulations. In a free market more competition would exist for insurance companies forcing them to offer better services to survive, but in actuality healthcare would be so affordable nobody would need insurance. Insurance vecoming the norm as a result of FDRs policy actually disincentivized keeping prices low. The FDA makes it expensive to develop a drug etc.

How would healthcare be so affordable in a free market system (ignoring the fact that a true free market is impossible)? Especially for stuff like transplants and chemo? Doctors aren't cheap. Medicine isn't cheap.

Medicine is expensive because it takes a hundred million dollars to create an FDA approved medicine, without the FDA it sould ve cheaper. Also vecoming a Doctor would have less of a barrier to entry, less qualified doctors will be cheaper. Also with more competition among drugs and doctors even the top rates would come down

So you dont want any kind of agency checking drugs to make sure they're safe? And you want less qualified doctors? Yea, maybe its cheaper, but if you'll be using unexperienced doctors and unsafe medicine whats the point?
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Wylted
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6/1/2016 9:17:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
So you dont want any kind of agency checking drugs to make sure they're safe?

I never said that, I would only biy drugs that voluntarily submitted to a voluntary regulatory agency that I trusted, but people should have the option to buy unregulated drugs.

And you want less qualified doctors? Yea, maybe its cheaper, but if you'll be using unexperienced doctors and unsafe medicine whats the point?

No, I would check my doctor's qualifications, but people should have the option to take cheaper substandard care
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6/1/2016 9:25:11 PM
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I think a "Swiss" style system is the best. Single payer might cover everybody, but it's super expensive, and regulating the medicine industry will destroy the only thing America does right.

Innovation.
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6/1/2016 9:58:50 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 9:17:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
No, I would check my doctor's qualifications, but people should have the option to take cheaper substandard care

Cheaper doesn't mean substandard. Any competent person could be trained in a few hours to do well many common things, done during in clinic visits, just give them someone with experience to supervise them.

But, you do have a point. I can live very cheaply in all aspect of my life, except in taxes and medical care. I can live in a small house. I can own an old car. I can eat beans and grow tomatoes. I can buy clothes at a thrift store. But, I still have to pay thousands in taxes and thousands in health insurance for gold-plated medical care, because modest medical care is illegal.