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SuperRobotWars
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12/12/2010 8:30:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I propose we create a few permanent space habitats, they will each be designed the same way with the same capacity and each will be run a different way (one communist, one libertarian, one anarchist [doomed no offense to anarchists but I don't think that station will last], one capitalist, one socialist, one theocratic, one democratic, etc . . . etc . . .), now multiple governments can come together to become one if they so desire, each of these facilities can manufacture more facilities and anything necessary for them via materials in space (duh) . . . How do you see this going . . . ?
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
FREEDO
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12/12/2010 8:32:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:30:59 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
I propose we create a few permanent space habitats, they will each be designed the same way with the same capacity and each will be run a different way (one communist, one libertarian, one anarchist [doomed no offense to anarchists but I don't think that station will last], one capitalist, one socialist, one theocratic, one democratic, etc . . . etc . . .), now multiple governments can come together to become one if they so desire, each of these facilities can manufacture more facilities and anything necessary for them via materials in space (duh) . . . How do you see this going . . . ?

I've thought of this myself many times and how to accomplish it. Didn't think of space.
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12/12/2010 8:34:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:32:39 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/12/2010 8:30:59 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
I propose we create a few permanent space habitats, they will each be designed the same way with the same capacity and each will be run a different way (one communist, one libertarian, one anarchist [doomed no offense to anarchists but I don't think that station will last], one capitalist, one socialist, one theocratic, one democratic, etc . . . etc . . .), now multiple governments can come together to become one if they so desire, each of these facilities can manufacture more facilities and anything necessary for them via materials in space (duh) . . . How do you see this going . . . ?

I've thought of this myself many times and how to accomplish it. Didn't think of space.

I used to ponder about this being done on synthetic islands, but then I thought "I don't want these separatists jacking up my rock with their ideologies . . ."
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/12/2010 8:39:57 PM
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Wouldn't work. All the businesses would flock to the capitalist/anarcho capitalist spaces. There would be no jobs left in any of the socialist countries, other than what they themselves would create. I.e., they could not do a 50/50 private public. They'd have to go for full blown central planning.

They'd also have to coerce their people into staying, because their talented members would always be bid away by capitalists offering higher wages.
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12/12/2010 8:42:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:39:57 PM, Sieben wrote:
Wouldn't work. All the businesses would flock to the capitalist/anarcho capitalist spaces. There would be no jobs left in any of the socialist countries, other than what they themselves would create. I.e., they could not do a 50/50 private public. They'd have to go for full blown central planning.

They'd also have to coerce their people into staying, because their talented members would always be bid away by capitalists offering higher wages.

That's a new one.
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12/12/2010 8:43:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:42:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/12/2010 8:39:57 PM, Sieben wrote:
Wouldn't work. All the businesses would flock to the capitalist/anarcho capitalist spaces. There would be no jobs left in any of the socialist countries, other than what they themselves would create. I.e., they could not do a 50/50 private public. They'd have to go for full blown central planning.

They'd also have to coerce their people into staying, because their talented members would always be bid away by capitalists offering higher wages.

That's a new one.

Not really. A talented doctor, businessman, or engineer would make so much more under capitalism than communism. J.Kenyon made the same argument.
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12/12/2010 8:46:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:43:50 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/12/2010 8:42:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/12/2010 8:39:57 PM, Sieben wrote:
Wouldn't work. All the businesses would flock to the capitalist/anarcho capitalist spaces. There would be no jobs left in any of the socialist countries, other than what they themselves would create. I.e., they could not do a 50/50 private public. They'd have to go for full blown central planning.

They'd also have to coerce their people into staying, because their talented members would always be bid away by capitalists offering higher wages.

That's a new one.

Not really. A talented doctor, businessman, or engineer would make so much more under capitalism than communism. J.Kenyon made the same argument.

I suppose you'd make more money...since there's no money in Communism. =P
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12/12/2010 8:46:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:39:57 PM, Sieben wrote:
Wouldn't work. All the businesses would flock to the capitalist/anarcho capitalist spaces. There would be no jobs left in any of the socialist countries, other than what they themselves would create. I.e., they could not do a 50/50 private public. They'd have to go for full blown central planning.

They'd also have to coerce their people into staying, because their talented members would always be bid away by capitalists offering higher wages.

Who ever said anything about them working? I simply wanted do know where you think they would end up each one of them are filled with people with the exact same political ideologies and each vessel has the exact same amounts and types of resources and machinery to start off with they will receive no support from earth upon launch, they carry no industry just like minded individuals (who could over the course of time make industries) . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/12/2010 8:49:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:47:50 PM, Puck wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Okay and . . . ?
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
SuperRobotWars
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12/12/2010 8:51:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:51:07 PM, Puck wrote:
And learn.

Kerazy.

okay . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/12/2010 8:55:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
So where do you all see these people in the next 500 years . . . ?
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
belle
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12/12/2010 8:59:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
http://www.quebecoislibre.org...

scroll down to "nozick's framework for utopia"

he beat you to it. and no space modules required.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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12/12/2010 9:04:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 8:59:33 PM, belle wrote:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org...

scroll down to "nozick's framework for utopia"

he beat you to it. and no space modules required.

I am not making a utopia I am trying to see what will happen to these forms of government as they are isolated from everything else to create a nation in their political image . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/12/2010 9:07:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 9:04:10 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/12/2010 8:59:33 PM, belle wrote:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org...

scroll down to "nozick's framework for utopia"

he beat you to it. and no space modules required.

I am not making a utopia I am trying to see what will happen to these forms of government as they are isolated from everything else to create a nation in their political image . . .

yes, but structurally the two situations are identical, except nozick's would be cheaper because we could do it on earth. lol. you just want more excuses to obsess over space
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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12/13/2010 3:35:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/12/2010 9:07:57 PM, belle wrote:
At 12/12/2010 9:04:10 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/12/2010 8:59:33 PM, belle wrote:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org...

scroll down to "nozick's framework for utopia"

he beat you to it. and no space modules required.

I am not making a utopia I am trying to see what will happen to these forms of government as they are isolated from everything else to create a nation in their political image . . .

yes, but structurally the two situations are identical, except nozick's would be cheaper because we could do it on earth. lol. you just want more excuses to obsess over space

I know right . . . but in all truth the most durable government should be able to work in the most hostile and bleak of environments, plus I do not want any over the top governments that think they can jack up the earth environment simply beacuse it suits their political ideology . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.