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6/6/2016 3:59:52 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
The quote: "Donald Trump is apparently of German heritage. I mean, what does that mean?"

Clintonites, after reading that, have bobbled their heads and tweeted out attacks of Trump as a Nazi. Slick got'cha moment...right?

Well, the issue wasn't just Reductio ad Hitlerum. German Americans are the largest ethnic group in the United States - and they make up good portions of extremely important swing states.

https://upload.wikimedia.org...

Trump does well in Pennsylvania, and Pennsylvania is trending red. Germans are the largest group in nearly every county in Pennsylvania.

Who makes up the largest ethnic group in the vast majority of counties in Ohio - an extremely important swing state? Germans.

In Florida and Nevada, about half the counties have Germans as the largest group.

In Colorado, most counties have Germans as the largest group.

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So some people might read this and think it won't make much of a difference. But think of it this way, the Presidential election in the United States of America is the Presidential election of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Colorado.

If Germans make up the largest ethnic group in four of those states, a good portion in one (Florida, where every counted vote matters), and are the largest group in a few counties in one (Virginia) - then she might have a bit of trouble with this quote down the line. This is an amazing audio clip for anti-Clinton ads in swing states where Germans make up so much of the population. Some Germans won't care. However, it's really hard to keep playing this game as Hillary Clinton. She can already be hit with the "super predators" to hurt her black turnout. She can be hit with the Reagan comments to hurt LGBT turnout.

And now she can be hit with an audio clip to hurt the turnout of the largest ethnic group in the most important parts of the US for Presidential elections.
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6/6/2016 4:30:45 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
This won't matter one iota, for reasons I mentioned in our PM.
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6/6/2016 5:15:15 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 3:59:52 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quote: "Donald Trump is apparently of German heritage. I mean, what does that mean?"

Clintonites, after reading that, have bobbled their heads and tweeted out attacks of Trump as a Nazi. Slick got'cha moment...right?

Well, the issue wasn't just Reductio ad Hitlerum. German Americans are the largest ethnic group in the United States - and they make up good portions of extremely important swing states.

https://upload.wikimedia.org...

Trump does well in Pennsylvania, and Pennsylvania is trending red. Germans are the largest group in nearly every county in Pennsylvania.

Who makes up the largest ethnic group in the vast majority of counties in Ohio - an extremely important swing state? Germans.

In Florida and Nevada, about half the counties have Germans as the largest group.

In Colorado, most counties have Germans as the largest group.

---

So some people might read this and think it won't make much of a difference. But think of it this way, the Presidential election in the United States of America is the Presidential election of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Colorado.

If Germans make up the largest ethnic group in four of those states, a good portion in one (Florida, where every counted vote matters), and are the largest group in a few counties in one (Virginia) - then she might have a bit of trouble with this quote down the line. This is an amazing audio clip for anti-Clinton ads in swing states where Germans make up so much of the population. Some Germans won't care. However, it's really hard to keep playing this game as Hillary Clinton. She can already be hit with the "super predators" to hurt her black turnout. She can be hit with the Reagan comments to hurt LGBT turnout.

And now she can be hit with an audio clip to hurt the turnout of the largest ethnic group in the most important parts of the US for Presidential elections.

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6/6/2016 12:13:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 4:30:45 AM, bsh1 wrote:
This won't matter one iota, for reasons I mentioned in our PM.

I'm interested to know those reasons.
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6/6/2016 2:28:55 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
She should just let her true sentiments flow and call Sanders a Polack.
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6/6/2016 3:47:50 PM
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trump...............and...clinton...............are............distant..........cousins.................. this might be just about one of the dumbest things that she has ever said. she has literally played herself.

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6/6/2016 3:48:12 PM
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trump............... and...clinton............... are............distant.......... cousins.................. this might be just about one of the dumbest things that she has ever said. she has literally played herself.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

http://www.familytree.com...

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6/6/2016 4:36:26 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 3:59:52 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quote: "Donald Trump is apparently of German heritage. I mean, what does that mean?"

Clintonites, after reading that, have bobbled their heads and tweeted out attacks of Trump as a Nazi. Slick got'cha moment...right?

Well, the issue wasn't just Reductio ad Hitlerum. German Americans are the largest ethnic group in the United States - and they make up good portions of extremely important swing states.

https://upload.wikimedia.org...

Trump does well in Pennsylvania, and Pennsylvania is trending red. Germans are the largest group in nearly every county in Pennsylvania.

Who makes up the largest ethnic group in the vast majority of counties in Ohio - an extremely important swing state? Germans.

In Florida and Nevada, about half the counties have Germans as the largest group.

In Colorado, most counties have Germans as the largest group.

---

So some people might read this and think it won't make much of a difference. But think of it this way, the Presidential election in the United States of America is the Presidential election of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Colorado.

If Germans make up the largest ethnic group in four of those states, a good portion in one (Florida, where every counted vote matters), and are the largest group in a few counties in one (Virginia) - then she might have a bit of trouble with this quote down the line. This is an amazing audio clip for anti-Clinton ads in swing states where Germans make up so much of the population. Some Germans won't care. However, it's really hard to keep playing this game as Hillary Clinton. She can already be hit with the "super predators" to hurt her black turnout. She can be hit with the Reagan comments to hurt LGBT turnout.

And now she can be hit with an audio clip to hurt the turnout of the largest ethnic group in the most important parts of the US for Presidential elections.

And yet Trump is always branded as a racist, but the mainstream media probably won't throw the word 'racist' at Hillary Clinton for offending people of German descent.

Also in that map you linked, I am assuming "American" is referring to people with ancestry in Colonial America?
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6/6/2016 4:37:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 2:28:55 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
She should just let her true sentiments flow and call Sanders a Polack.

A disturbing trait among career politicians is that trend to subconsciously demograph voters, and then have it slip out during the long campaign trail.

Romney did it with his 47% remark.

Cruz destroyed himself early on with the "New York Values" moment, which torpedoed any chance at any real hope for the nomination as the east and west coast support predictably vanished.

Obama suffered for his "Guns and Religion" remark..

And now we have Clinton bashing the Germans.

This is why it takes a non-politician like Trump these days to win, because his unconditioned mind is not so indoctrinated and wrapped around demographics that he can actually say with conviction that he wants to appeal to everyone. He can easily say he loves the Hispanics, the poorly educated, the highly educated. Trump does not have the party knee-jerk reaction of the career politician to bash groups that vote for the other party. Career politicians are unlikely to understand that it is never, ever a good idea to directly piss off voter groups.
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6/6/2016 5:05:38 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
But the meaning behind that statement was not to offend Trump, but to show that heritage is of little importance because they're 'all Americans'. If the supporters shouted that Trump is a Nazi, that's because she has dumb supporters - Clinton herself isn't to blame, surely?
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6/6/2016 6:44:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 5:05:38 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
But the meaning behind that statement was not to offend Trump, but to show that heritage is of little importance because they're 'all Americans'. If the supporters shouted that Trump is a Nazi, that's because she has dumb supporters - Clinton herself isn't to blame, surely?

Rule number 1 of politics: do not leave audio clips for opponents to use.

Also, it was very clear she was referencing Nazi Germany.
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6/6/2016 6:48:04 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 6:44:32 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/6/2016 5:05:38 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
But the meaning behind that statement was not to offend Trump, but to show that heritage is of little importance because they're 'all Americans'. If the supporters shouted that Trump is a Nazi, that's because she has dumb supporters - Clinton herself isn't to blame, surely?

Rule number 1 of politics: do not leave audio clips for opponents to use.
Lol, true.
Also, it was very clear she was referencing Nazi Germany.
Yeah, but it was an implicit reductio ad absurdum. If we were to accept that we can judge someone for having Mexican heritage, then we can also judge someone for having German heritage because Nazi Germany was evil. But we can't judge someone for having German heritage because Nazi Germany was evil, so we can't judge someone for having Mexican heritage either.
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6/6/2016 6:53:04 PM
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At 6/6/2016 6:48:04 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/6/2016 6:44:32 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/6/2016 5:05:38 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
But the meaning behind that statement was not to offend Trump, but to show that heritage is of little importance because they're 'all Americans'. If the supporters shouted that Trump is a Nazi, that's because she has dumb supporters - Clinton herself isn't to blame, surely?
Also, it was very clear she was referencing Nazi Germany.
Yeah, but it was an implicit reductio ad absurdum. If we were to accept that we can judge someone for having Mexican heritage, then we can also judge someone for having German heritage because Nazi Germany was evil. But we can't judge someone for having German heritage because Nazi Germany was evil, so we can't judge someone for having Mexican heritage either.
And his questioning the judge for having Mexican heritage is a legal right - you can question judges on inheren bias in the US.

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6/6/2016 7:22:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
It looks like negative campaigning, will be the method used this year.
Inferring that Trump is a Nazi because of his German ancestry would have been considered rude last year, or at least too rude for a nominee for president to be saying, but this year anything goes. A good speech writer would consider how many Americans have some German blood, and would just say no to that.
What she is also implying to German-Americans is Trump is one of you, and I am on the other side.
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6/6/2016 10:27:20 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 7:15:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
Meh. Any German American who takes offense to that comment is just as moronic as the Hispanics offended by Trump.

This comment is far more stupid than the ones Trump made about Hispanics.
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6/6/2016 11:01:29 PM
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Considering how enthno-masochist most white people are this will probably help her
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6/6/2016 11:03:05 PM
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At 6/6/2016 11:01:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
Considering how enthno-masochist most white people are this will probably help her

You overestimate German guilt.
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6/7/2016 4:14:54 AM
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At 6/6/2016 6:53:04 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/6/2016 6:48:04 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/6/2016 6:44:32 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/6/2016 5:05:38 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
But the meaning behind that statement was not to offend Trump, but to show that heritage is of little importance because they're 'all Americans'. If the supporters shouted that Trump is a Nazi, that's because she has dumb supporters - Clinton herself isn't to blame, surely?
Also, it was very clear she was referencing Nazi Germany.
Yeah, but it was an implicit reductio ad absurdum. If we were to accept that we can judge someone for having Mexican heritage, then we can also judge someone for having German heritage because Nazi Germany was evil. But we can't judge someone for having German heritage because Nazi Germany was evil, so we can't judge someone for having Mexican heritage either.
And his questioning the judge for having Mexican heritage is a legal right - you can question judges on inheren bias in the US.

"If judges and the trials over which they preside are not perceived as being impartial, the public will quickly lose confidence in the rule of law upon which our nation is based...Regardless of the way Trump has gone about raising his concerns over whether he's getting a fair trial, none of us should dismiss those concerns out of hand without carefully examining how a defendant in his position might perceive them - and we certainly should not dismiss them for partisan political reasons." -former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

I'm not saying I agree with Hillary, really... I guess you could say I'm neutral. I just don't think there was any intention to insinuate that Trump was a Nazi, so I spelt out her argument in full. Her argument actually implicitly negates the notion that Trump is a Nazi.
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6/7/2016 6:50:56 AM
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At 6/6/2016 12:13:25 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 6/6/2016 4:30:45 AM, bsh1 wrote:
This won't matter one iota, for reasons I mentioned in our PM.

I'm interested to know those reasons.

You can PM me if you want.
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6/7/2016 6:51:45 AM
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At 6/6/2016 11:03:05 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/6/2016 11:01:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
Considering how enthno-masochist most white people are this will probably help her

You overestimate German guilt.

Or did he misunderestimate it?
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6/7/2016 12:45:40 PM
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At 6/6/2016 10:27:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/6/2016 7:15:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
Meh. Any German American who takes offense to that comment is just as moronic as the Hispanics offended by Drumpf.

This comment is far more stupid than the ones Drumpf made about Hispanics.

Probably.
Meh!
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6/7/2016 3:16:49 PM
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At 6/7/2016 12:45:40 PM, Axonly wrote:
At 6/6/2016 10:27:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/6/2016 7:15:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
Meh. Any German American who takes offense to that comment is just as moronic as the Hispanics offended by Drumpf.

This comment is far more stupid than the ones Drumpf made about Hispanics.

Probably.

Thanks for the bumpspam troll.