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6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Sorry. Bernie would have been the first atheist, first Jew, and first declared socialist to be nominated. I do not accept this bullsh!t identity politics card.
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6/8/2016 6:19:54 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Sorry. Bernie would have been the first atheist, first Jew, and first declared socialist to be nominated. I do not accept this bullsh!t identity politics card.

Well, let's be honest. If the first Jew and socialist being nominated were classified as a historic nomination, then a lot of questions will be raised as well as a lot of backlash.
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6/8/2016 6:22:17 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 6:19:54 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Sorry. Bernie would have been the first atheist, first Jew, and first declared socialist to be nominated. I do not accept this bullsh!t identity politics card.

Well, let's be honest. If the first Jew and socialist being nominated were classified as a historic nomination, then a lot of questions will be raised as well as a lot of backlash.

And? It's more radical a change in US political history than Clinton being a female nominee. The backlash would come from people not voting Democratic anyway, so it wouldn't matter.
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6/8/2016 7:18:23 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
She did what Victoria Woodhull, Patsy Mink, Patricia Schroader, and few others couldn't. She isn't the best candidate but in a slew of mediocre politicians running this year. She is a safer bet in my opinion than Trump or Sanders so I wont complain to much.
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6/8/2016 7:32:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 7:18:23 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
She did what Victoria Woodhull, Patsy Mink, Patricia Schroader, and few others couldn't. She isn't the best candidate but in a slew of mediocre politicians running this year. She is a safer bet in my opinion than Trump or Sanders so I wont complain to much.

She is demonstrably less safe than both.
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6/8/2016 8:23:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 7:32:32 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 7:18:23 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
She did what Victoria Woodhull, Patsy Mink, Patricia Schroader, and few others couldn't. She isn't the best candidate but in a slew of mediocre politicians running this year. She is a safer bet in my opinion than Trump or Sanders so I wont complain to much.

She is demonstrably less safe than both.
I don't believe so because Sanders being the big anti establishment man he is would probably never get anything done in office because congress would probably be fighting tooth and nail to make sure he never gets anything passed. Trump's also anti establishment and would probably face some of the same problems, not to mention Trump has no political experience and has shown no signs of taking the job of president seriously. Clinton is a crooked, scandalous person, who's true political opinions are hidden behind her poll playing but out of the big 3 candidates I believe she would be the best bet.
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6/8/2016 8:29:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 8:23:36 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
At 6/8/2016 7:32:32 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 7:18:23 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
She did what Victoria Woodhull, Patsy Mink, Patricia Schroader, and few others couldn't. She isn't the best candidate but in a slew of mediocre politicians running this year. She is a safer bet in my opinion than Trump or Sanders so I wont complain to much.

She is demonstrably less safe than both.
I don't believe so because Sanders being the big anti establishment man he is would probably never get anything done in office because congress would probably be fighting tooth and nail to make sure he never gets anything passed. Trump's also anti establishment and would probably face some of the same problems, not to mention Trump has no political experience and has shown no signs of taking the job of president seriously. Clinton is a crooked, scandalous person, who's true political opinions are hidden behind her poll playing but out of the big 3 candidates I believe she would be the best bet.

She's hated by the Republicans more than an atheist socialist Jew, 60% or more of independents hate her, and 15-25% of Democrats dislike her. Not only will she not be elected, she wouldn't get anything done either.
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6/8/2016 8:38:05 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 8:29:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 8:23:36 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
At 6/8/2016 7:32:32 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 7:18:23 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
She did what Victoria Woodhull, Patsy Mink, Patricia Schroader, and few others couldn't. She isn't the best candidate but in a slew of mediocre politicians running this year. She is a safer bet in my opinion than Trump or Sanders so I wont complain to much.

She is demonstrably less safe than both.
I don't believe so because Sanders being the big anti establishment man he is would probably never get anything done in office because congress would probably be fighting tooth and nail to make sure he never gets anything passed. Trump's also anti establishment and would probably face some of the same problems, not to mention Trump has no political experience and has shown no signs of taking the job of president seriously. Clinton is a crooked, scandalous person, who's true political opinions are hidden behind her poll playing but out of the big 3 candidates I believe she would be the best bet.

She's hated by the Republicans more than an atheist socialist Jew, 60% or more of independents hate her, and 15-25% of Democrats dislike her. Not only will she not be elected, she wouldn't get anything done either.

She would get more done than the others because she would be more likely to get stuff passed through congress being the pro establishment person she is not to mention Trump is equally as hated as hillary if not more. Her chances are as good as his.
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6/8/2016 9:48:18 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Sorry. Bernie would have been the first atheist, first Jew, and first declared socialist to be nominated. I do not accept this bullsh!t identity politics card.

Bernie's not an atheist. He's not particularly religious, but he believes in God.

"I believe that there is a connection between all living things, and that my belief in God requires me to do all that I can to follow the "Golden Rule," to do unto others and as I would have them do unto me," he said. "As a public servant, it requires me to do all that I can to ensure that every person lives with dignity and security."

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6/8/2016 9:52:57 PM
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At 6/8/2016 9:48:18 PM, KingDavid8 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Sorry. Bernie would have been the first atheist, first Jew, and first declared socialist to be nominated. I do not accept this bullsh!t identity politics card.

Bernie's not an atheist. He's not particularly religious, but he believes in God.

"I believe that there is a connection between all living things, and that my belief in God requires me to do all that I can to follow the "Golden Rule," to do unto others and as I would have them do unto me," he said. "As a public servant, it requires me to do all that I can to ensure that every person lives with dignity and security."

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com...

Bernie also said he is a "secular Jew without strong ties to organized religion".
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6/8/2016 10:06:23 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 8:23:36 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
I don't believe so because Sanders being the big anti establishment man he is would probably never get anything done in office because congress would probably be fighting tooth and nail to make sure he never gets anything passed. Trump's also anti establishment and would probably face some of the same problems, not to mention Trump has no political experience and has shown no signs of taking the job of president seriously. Clinton is a crooked, scandalous person, who's true political opinions are hidden behind her poll playing but out of the big 3 candidates I believe she would be the best bet.

i.e.: 2 candidates who might not get anything done are somehow worse than a guaranteed venal (bad) liar, with the political acumen and experience to implement whatever plan her financial backers put her up to.

if you can believe that.

sure, it's a safe bet.

as far as picking what the hoi polloi consider worst is concerned. lagom ar bast.
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6/8/2016 10:09:35 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 8:38:05 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
She would get more done than the others because she would be more likely to get stuff passed through congress being the pro establishment person she is not to mention Trump is equally as hated as hillary if not more. Her chances are as good as his.
but what would she get done? particularly when we consider where her interests lie.

do you like just about whatever getting passed?

is that what matters?

that stuff and things get passed? not what those things are?

quality vs quantity john.
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6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM
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At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.
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6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM
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At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

That's pretty pathetic. The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.
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6/8/2016 10:25:39 PM
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At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

The fear of a failed ideology that cost millions of lives and misery for so many in the 20th century is anything but astounding.
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6/8/2016 10:33:06 PM
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At 6/8/2016 10:25:39 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

The fear of a failed ideology that cost millions of lives and misery for so many in the 20th century is anything but astounding.

+1
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6/8/2016 10:37:31 PM
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"Historical nomination of a woman who's under investigation by the FBI"

^Actual quote I heard on RT news today. The savagery on that network is endless.
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6/8/2016 10:38:39 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 10:33:06 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:25:39 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

The fear of a failed ideology that cost millions of lives and misery for so many in the 20th century is anything but astounding.

+1

That just furthers my view. This wasn't a Primary between Keresnky and Lenin.
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6/8/2016 10:40:46 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

That's pretty pathetic. The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

Bernie had plenty of support, you are overblowing this fear.
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6/8/2016 10:44:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 10:40:46 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

That's pretty pathetic. The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

Bernie had plenty of support, you are overblowing this fear.

I know it isn't as widespread as it used to be, but its mere existence only continues to lend itself to anti-intellectualism.
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6/8/2016 10:53:42 PM
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At 6/8/2016 9:52:57 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

Bernie also said he is a "secular Jew without strong ties to organized religion".

Which doesn't equal "atheist".
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6/8/2016 10:54:57 PM
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At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Sorry. Bernie would have been the first atheist, first Jew, and first declared socialist to be nominated. I do not accept this bullsh!t identity politics card.

First retard too.
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6/8/2016 10:56:29 PM
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At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

That's pretty pathetic. The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

The difference from the status quo is coming from the Trump campaign, not the foolishly constructed Sanders campaign that only gained ground because young economic illiterates found that whatever they couldn't buy with their sociology degree can just be given to them as a human right.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/8/2016 11:28:44 PM
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Here is our economic savior - the teenager who read through Friedman once and became money Jesus.
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6/8/2016 11:29:41 PM
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At 6/8/2016 10:53:42 PM, KingDavid8 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 9:52:57 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

Bernie also said he is a "secular Jew without strong ties to organized religion".

Which doesn't equal "atheist".

In pure definition, yes it does. He's no New Atheist, but atheistic nonetheless.
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6/9/2016 12:05:16 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 10:38:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:33:06 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:25:39 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

The fear of a failed ideology that cost millions of lives and misery for so many in the 20th century is anything but astounding.

+1

That just furthers my view. This wasn't a Primary between Keresnky and Lenin.

I just disagree with Bernie's economic policies, and I'm glad he will never have the chance to enact them, since it would destroy the U.S economy.

I'm not afraid of changing from status quo, but only if it actually makes sense. There are plenty of political issues, I'm willing to switch from status quo.
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6/9/2016 12:07:20 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/9/2016 12:05:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:38:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:33:06 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:25:39 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:24:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:22:02 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 6:15:39 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
first declared socialist to be nominated.

Good thing he wasn't nominated then.

The fear of difference from the status quo in people is astounding.

The fear of a failed ideology that cost millions of lives and misery for so many in the 20th century is anything but astounding.

+1

That just furthers my view. This wasn't a Primary between Keresnky and Lenin.

I just disagree with Bernie's economic policies, and I'm glad he will never have the chance to enact them, since it would destroy the U.S economy.

I'm not afraid of changing from status quo, but only if it actually makes sense. There are plenty of political issues, I'm willing to switch from status quo.

Conflating an anti-authoritarian democratic socialist with Stalin and Mao indicates irrational fear.
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6/9/2016 12:28:08 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/8/2016 11:29:41 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/8/2016 10:53:42 PM, KingDavid8 wrote:
At 6/8/2016 9:52:57 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

Bernie also said he is a "secular Jew without strong ties to organized religion".

Which doesn't equal "atheist".

In pure definition, yes it does. He's no New Atheist, but atheistic nonetheless.

He believes in God, which by definition means not an atheist.
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6/9/2016 3:46:19 AM
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At 6/8/2016 10:09:35 PM, someloser wrote:
At 6/8/2016 8:38:05 PM, JurassinJohn wrote:
She would get more done than the others because she would be more likely to get stuff passed through congress being the pro establishment person she is not to mention Trump is equally as hated as hillary if not more. Her chances are as good as his.
but what would she get done? particularly when we consider where her interests lie.

do you like just about whatever getting passed?

is that what matters?

that stuff and things get passed? not what those things are?

quality vs quantity john.
She is a pole player and will attempt to get passed what the most americans think is right, Will that always align with mine and your agenda? no it won't but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. A pole player may be beneficial for once.