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6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

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Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 12:23:24 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.
How lol
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6/13/2016 1:07:01 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Warren G Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Milland Filmore
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
George W. Bush
Herbert Hoover
Zachary Taylor
Franklin Pierce
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler

Those are ranked as the worst fairly consistently (not in any particular order). Obama is ranked around 18, in other words average.
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6/13/2016 1:11:31 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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Reagan is ranked two places above Obama.
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6/13/2016 1:12:43 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 1:11:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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Reagan is ranked two places above Obama.

Which is surprising. Obama is far better than Reagan and I would take Obama any day over Ronald Reagan.
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6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.
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6/13/2016 1:25:07 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 1:12:43 AM, ThinkBig wrote:
At 6/13/2016 1:11:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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Reagan is ranked two places above Obama.

Which is surprising. Obama is far better than Reagan and I would take Obama any day over Ronald Reagan.

In my view they are pretty similar. Regardless these are based on public rankings
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6/13/2016 2:07:46 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:23:24 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.
How lol

He spent more money than every single President before him...cmbined...after promising to reduce the debt. 2 words. Libya. Egypt. No President has ever screwed the pooch on this level. Of course...this isn't because he's an idiot. He planned this. Read his book.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 2:12:11 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

Fact: After the film came out dsouza was heckled and smeared on barackobama.com.

Fact: Liberals convicted of worse violations ,towards Hillary Clinton,of the same exact violation of law got off with probation...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 2:20:40 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

He used genocide as his reason to use massive shows of military force on Libya, bombing them into oblivion. Then when Syria came to play with a genocide of 450,000 people, he disappeared and Asad is still inpower. He could ousted him and saved half of a million lives. He did nothing... why? Asad is an enemy of America. Libya was on our side. If there is a consistant drumbeat to Obama, it is this. Kill our allies. Support our open enemies. I'd say he's a traitor but that'd be an overstatement. He'd have to be loyal to the United States to be a traitor.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan
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6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 4:23:21 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:20:40 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

He used genocide as his reason to use massive shows of military force on Libya, bombing them into oblivion. Then when Syria came to play with a genocide of 450,000 people, he disappeared and Asad is still inpower. He could ousted him and saved half of a million lives. He did nothing... why? Asad is an enemy of America. Libya was on our side. If there is a consistant drumbeat to Obama, it is this. Kill our allies. Support our open enemies. I'd say he's a traitor but that'd be an overstatement. He'd have to be loyal to the United States to be a traitor.

Assad is backed by Russia and thus has a permanent member of the UN security council with veto right on it's side. If anything this entire war is Putin's fault. Also Syria has a much higher population than Libya, borders Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq and Jordan.

Your simplistic view on the situation explains why you don't understand Obama's actions. But who cares for facts, we are just here to smear people we don't like, aren't we.
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6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
+killed the middle class
+funded multiple terrorist groups
+did nothing to combat the AIDS epidemic
+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power

But yeah, great guy.
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6/13/2016 5:08:34 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:20:40 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

He used genocide as his reason to use massive shows of military force on Libya, bombing them into oblivion. Then when Syria came to play with a genocide of 450,000 people, he disappeared and Asad is still inpower. He could ousted him and saved half of a million lives. He did nothing... why? Asad is an enemy of America. Libya was on our side. If there is a consistant drumbeat to Obama, it is this. Kill our allies. Support our open enemies. I'd say he's a traitor but that'd be an overstatement. He'd have to be loyal to the United States to be a traitor.

Gadaffi was never our "ally". Reagan went to war with him in the 80s. And the intervention in Syria was a bad idea then, just like its a bad idea now. The opposition was and is fractured and once assad's gone there will likely be ethnic cleansing. Look at Libya now!
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6/13/2016 5:09:45 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:12:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

Fact: After the film came out dsouza was heckled and smeared on barackobama.com.

Fact: Liberals convicted of worse violations ,towards Hillary Clinton,of the same exact violation of law got off with probation...

Please give me evidence to support these claims.
And this does nothing to negate the fact he was convicted in a court of law.
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6/13/2016 12:31:15 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
Nope, that was Obama.
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
Nope, that was Carter
+killed the middle class
Never even happened.
+funded multiple terrorist groups
Seriously?
+did nothing to combat the AIDS epidemic
What would you expect him to do? Invent a cure?
+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power
Nope, he did the opposite. He contributed a lot to the disbandment of the Soviet Union.
But yeah, great guy.
Agreed.
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6/13/2016 1:55:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Truman, IKE, JFK, LBJ, Reagan, and Clinton.
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6/13/2016 1:57:06 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 5:08:34 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 2:20:40 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

He used genocide as his reason to use massive shows of military force on Libya, bombing them into oblivion. Then when Syria came to play with a genocide of 450,000 people, he disappeared and Asad is still inpower. He could ousted him and saved half of a million lives. He did nothing... why? Asad is an enemy of America. Libya was on our side. If there is a consistant drumbeat to Obama, it is this. Kill our allies. Support our open enemies. I'd say he's a traitor but that'd be an overstatement. He'd have to be loyal to the United States to be a traitor.

Gadaffi was never our "ally". Reagan went to war with him in the 80s. And the intervention in Syria was a bad idea then, just like its a bad idea now. The opposition was and is fractured and once assad's gone there will likely be ethnic cleansing. Look at Libya now!

Well post 9/11, he actually helped the West by going out and attacking terrorist regiemes and more. Before 9/11, he wanted world's attention by funding the IRA and doing many other things.
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6/13/2016 2:01:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:31:15 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
Nope, that was Obama.

Theoretically, it was doubled under Obama.
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
Nope, that was Carter

Iran-Contra was under Reagan, lol.

+killed the middle class
Never even happened.

So you mean to tell me we never had the Farming Crisis in the 80's and Reaganomics works?

+funded multiple terrorist groups
Seriously?

Contras, Al Qaeda, etc...

+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power
Nope, he did the opposite. He contributed a lot to the disbandment of the Soviet Union.
Oh, so I guess the Kirkpatrick doctrine never happened and Pinochet was never put in power in Chile and many other dictators with massive crimes against humanity just magically came into power without US help.
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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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6/13/2016 2:16:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:01:45 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:31:15 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
Nope, that was Obama.

Theoretically, it was doubled under Obama.
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
Nope, that was Carter

Iran-Contra was under Reagan, lol.

+killed the middle class
Never even happened.

So you mean to tell me we never had the Farming Crisis in the 80's and Reaganomics works?

+funded multiple terrorist groups
Seriously?

Contras, Al Qaeda, etc...

+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power
Nope, he did the opposite. He contributed a lot to the disbandment of the Soviet Union.
Oh, so I guess the Kirkpatrick doctrine never happened and Pinochet was never put in power in Chile and many other dictators with massive crimes against humanity just magically came into power without US help.



Which is a deflection to not face Obama trumped them all. None of these were cases of American Presidents who literally espionaged their own country from within.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/13/2016 2:19:43 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:16:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 2:01:45 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:31:15 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
Nope, that was Obama.

Theoretically, it was doubled under Obama.
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
Nope, that was Carter

Iran-Contra was under Reagan, lol.

+killed the middle class
Never even happened.

So you mean to tell me we never had the Farming Crisis in the 80's and Reaganomics works?

+funded multiple terrorist groups
Seriously?

Contras, Al Qaeda, etc...

+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power
Nope, he did the opposite. He contributed a lot to the disbandment of the Soviet Union.
Oh, so I guess the Kirkpatrick doctrine never happened and Pinochet was never put in power in Chile and many other dictators with massive crimes against humanity just magically came into power without US help.



Which is a deflection to not face Obama trumped them all. None of these were cases of American Presidents who literally espionaged their own country from within.

Then you want to blame Bush jr. for that one.
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6/13/2016 5:02:53 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 1:57:06 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 5:08:34 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 2:20:40 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 1:22:39 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:48:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Obama's America 2016" was made in 2012. Its author, Dinesh Dsouza was targeted by the Obama administration and thrown in prison. His claims about Obama came true.

Trailor for "Obama's America 2016"-

http://youtu.be...

Dsouza was right...

http://youtu.be...

Saying he was targeted by the Obama administratoion is a bit like saying the local heroin dealer was targeted and jailed by the Obama administration. He broke the law and was convicted of violating campaign finance laws.

He used genocide as his reason to use massive shows of military force on Libya, bombing them into oblivion. Then when Syria came to play with a genocide of 450,000 people, he disappeared and Asad is still inpower. He could ousted him and saved half of a million lives. He did nothing... why? Asad is an enemy of America. Libya was on our side. If there is a consistant drumbeat to Obama, it is this. Kill our allies. Support our open enemies. I'd say he's a traitor but that'd be an overstatement. He'd have to be loyal to the United States to be a traitor.

Gadaffi was never our "ally". Reagan went to war with him in the 80s. And the intervention in Syria was a bad idea then, just like its a bad idea now. The opposition was and is fractured and once assad's gone there will likely be ethnic cleansing. Look at Libya now!

Well post 9/11, he actually helped the West by going out and attacking terrorist regiemes and more. Before 9/11, he wanted world's attention by funding the IRA and doing many other things.

Well the funding the IRA in my view wasn't a bad thing. It was the bombing her ordered in Germany and the Lockerbie Bombing that were the REALLY bad things he did.
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6/13/2016 5:04:08 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
trailer*

"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

According to the rankings, Reagan beats Obama by two places (Obama is 17 Reagan is 15).
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6/13/2016 5:23:58 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:07:46 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:23:24 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.
How lol

He spent more money than every single President before him

That's just not true. Of the current national debt, about 16% was accumulated during the Obama years. 42% of it was added by George W. Bush, and 13% by Reagan. In terms of increase, Obama has only increased the debt by 52%, while Bush increased it by 101%. In terms of dollar amount, Obama has spent more than most of his predecessors, however, FDR spent far more because of this little thing called World War Il (plus the fact he was president for over a decade).
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6/13/2016 5:44:17 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 12:31:15 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
Nope, that was Obama.
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
Nope, that was Carter
+killed the middle class
Never even happened.
+funded multiple terrorist groups
Seriously?
+did nothing to combat the AIDS epidemic
What would you expect him to do? Invent a cure?
+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power
Nope, he did the opposite. He contributed a lot to the disbandment of the Soviet Union.
But yeah, great guy.
Agreed.

WTF?!?!? That is white-washing history in the extremes!
First, Reagan did, in fact, increase the national debt from where it had been prior to 1980. That is a fact that is not disputed. From 1981-1989 the national debt increased 186%, from $998 billion to $2.8 Trillion. While Obama has added more in dollar amount, what matters is the percentage of increase, which for Obama has only been 56%. And in terms of dollar amount, Reagan did, in fact, triple the debt. Obama has not even doubled it, only adding 6 Trill to what was an 11 Trillion dollar debt.
Secondly, the Iran-Contra Affair didn't start under Carter, it started in 1985, during Reagan's SECOND TERM! And Reagan did, in fact, lie about it.
Thirdly, since the beginning of Reagan's Neoliberal Era, which continues to this day, the middle class has been in a steady decline and are no longer a majority of the US.
Fourth, Reagan funded the Mujahadeen, which became al-Qaeda and the Taliban, the Contras in Nicaragua, Los Pepes in Colombia, UNITA in Angola, and many many others.
Fifth, he didn't even acknowledge AIDS existed until the end of his presidency and had no policy to deal with the epidemic that was sweeping the US and the world.
And lastly, despite his "contributions" to dissolving the USSR (even though the USSR was undergoing Gorby's reforms without Reagan's help or input), he still aided hundreds of dictators around the world. He supported Saddam Hussein and even sold Saddam Chemical weapons. He supported Augusto Pinochet (who was installed by Nixon) and admired his economic policies. He supported Efra"n R"os Montt's regime in Guatemala, gave aid to the Military Junta in El Salvador, sent CIA advisors to the Junta in Argentina. He kept Jean-Claude Duvalier in power in Hati, installed CIA agent Manuel Noriega as President of Panama. He supported Alfredo Stroessner in Paraguay, Mobtu in Zaire, Chun Doo-hwan in South Korea, Zia in Pakistan, Samuel Doe in Liberia, Nimeiry in Sudan, Marcos in the Philipines, the Junta in Turkey and he installed Habr" as President of Chad. And this is only a partial list!!!!!
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6/13/2016 5:45:05 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 1:55:32 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Truman, IKE, JFK, LBJ, Reagan, and Clinton.

I feel like there is one missing from the list
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6/13/2016 5:46:48 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 2:16:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 2:01:45 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:31:15 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:25:27 AM, bhakun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 4:00:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/13/2016 3:52:54 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 6/13/2016 12:17:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/12/2016 9:51:48 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
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"Pick any President" was a better President than Obama.

Ronald Regan

Looks like we agree.

I agree, Reagan was a fine president, if you ignore the fact that he
+tripled the national debt
Nope, that was Obama.

Theoretically, it was doubled under Obama.
+lied to Americans about the Iran-contra affair
Nope, that was Carter

Iran-Contra was under Reagan, lol.

+killed the middle class
Never even happened.

So you mean to tell me we never had the Farming Crisis in the 80's and Reaganomics works?

+funded multiple terrorist groups
Seriously?

Contras, Al Qaeda, etc...

+instilled multiple brutal dictators into power
Nope, he did the opposite. He contributed a lot to the disbandment of the Soviet Union.
Oh, so I guess the Kirkpatrick doctrine never happened and Pinochet was never put in power in Chile and many other dictators with massive crimes against humanity just magically came into power without US help.



Which is a deflection to not face Obama trumped them all. None of these were cases of American Presidents who literally espionaged their own country from within.

espionaged is not a word, I think you mean spied on. And while this is true, and Obama massively expanded this, you have clearly forgotten about COINTELPRO in the 60s and 70s.