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6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law. They will be in the form of EU regulations or directives. If they are regulations the new EU law applies to all Member States without any of those states having to pass legislation in their own home Parliaments. If they are directives, the national Parliaments are forced to change their national laws within a specific time limit to comply with EU law - whether they want to or not.

Finally, the Court of Justice of the EU is supposed to interpret EU laws to ensure they comply with the EU treaties. Unfortunately, it does not do this. It happily ignores the treaties when it wants to if the EU is pushing its own federalist agenda. This is not a court like we have in this country; it is a kangaroo court wilfully ignoring the rule of law, as it did with the bailouts which should have been deemed illegal. The treaties clearly stated bailouts were illegal, but as the bailouts helped to prop up the failing Eurozone project, the EU court allowed them anyway.

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6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law. They will be in the form of EU regulations or directives. If they are regulations the new EU law applies to all Member States without any of those states having to pass legislation in their own home Parliaments. If they are directives, the national Parliaments are forced to change their national laws within a specific time limit to comply with EU law - whether they want to or not.

Finally, the Court of Justice of the EU is supposed to interpret EU laws to ensure they comply with the EU treaties. Unfortunately, it does not do this. It happily ignores the treaties when it wants to if the EU is pushing its own federalist agenda. This is not a court like we have in this country; it is a kangaroo court wilfully ignoring the rule of law, as it did with the bailouts which should have been deemed illegal. The treaties clearly stated bailouts were illegal, but as the bailouts helped to prop up the faili

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6/17/2016 10:20:21 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law. They will be in the form of EU regulations or directives. If they are regulations the new EU law applies to all Member States without any of those states having to pass legislation in their own home Parliaments. If they are directives, the national Parliaments are forced to change their national laws within a specific time limit to comply with EU law - whether they want to or not.

Finally, the Court of Justice of the EU is supposed to interpret EU laws to ensure they comply with the EU treaties. Unfortunately, it does not do this. It happily ignores the treaties when it wants to if the EU is pushing its own federalist agenda. This is not a court like we have in this country; it is a kangaroo court wilfully ignoring the rule of law, as it did with the bailouts which should have been deemed illegal. The treaties clearly stated bailouts were illegal, but as the bailouts helped to prop up the faili

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

I'm starting to think you need to seek professional help.
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6/17/2016 10:27:03 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law. They will be in the form of EU regulations or directives. If they are regulations the new EU law applies to all Member States without any of those states having to pass legislation in their own home Parliaments. If they are directives, the national Parliaments are forced to change their national laws within a specific time limit to comply with EU law - whether they want to or not.

Finally, the Court of Justice of the EU is supposed to interpret EU laws to ensure they comply with the EU treaties. Unfortunately, it does not do this. It happily ignores the treaties when it wants to if the EU is pushing its own federalist agenda. This is not a court like we have in this country; it is a kangaroo court wilfully ignoring the rule of law, as it did with the bailouts which should have been deemed illegal. The treaties clearly stated bailouts were illegal, but as the bailouts helped to prop up the faili

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

I'm starting to think you need to

So us trying to defend the nation from totalitarian cultures is crazy. Liberals holding open arms to the most anti gay, anti feminism ideology on Earth is sane...
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6/17/2016 10:32:11 PM
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At 6/17/2016 10:27:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law. They will be in the form of EU regulations or directives. If they are regulations the new EU law applies to all Member States without any of those states having to pass legislation in their own home Parliaments. If they are directives, the national Parliaments are forced to change their national laws within a specific time limit to comply with EU law - whether they want to or not.

Finally, the Court of Justice of the EU is supposed to interpret EU laws to ensure they comply with the EU treaties. Unfortunately, it does not do this. It happily ignores the treaties when it wants to if the EU is pushing its own federalist agenda. This is not a court like we have in this country; it is a kangaroo court wilfully ignoring the rule of law, as it did with the bailouts which should have been deemed illegal. The treaties clearly stated bailouts were illegal, but as the bailouts helped to prop up the faili

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

I'm starting to think you need to

So us trying to defend the nation from totalitarian cultures is crazy. Liberals holding open arms to the most anti gay, anti feminism ideology on Earth is sane...

No, being utterly divorced from reality; and being emotionally tied to a narrative that you cannot support, to the point you have to ignore most facts that disagree with you, and wildly misrepresent everything else in order to even begin to make a case for it is what makes you insane.

Defending the nation from totalitarian cultures is not what you're doing; what you're doing is repeatedly lying about what the issues actually are, how significant they are, and the demographics behind them.

Liberals are not opening their arms to the most anti gay, anti feminism ideology on Earth; at most they are simply not as mouth-foamingly paranoid about muslims as you are because, you know, facts do not support it
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6/17/2016 10:50:49 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law.

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

Yes it's true most people in the UK have realized Christianity is a fairytale for adults. We will also convince Muslims that Islam is a fairytale for adults. It will never have a significant presence in my country. Leaving the EU would reduce the Muslim immigration you oppose so why would you want Britain to stay in the EU?

If we stayed in the EU our borders would potentially be open to millions of Turkish citizens if they join the eu as expected due to freedom of movement across member states. Therefore if you oppose Islamic migration to the UK supporting leave is logical.
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6/17/2016 11:03:06 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 10:50:49 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.

The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.

The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.

Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law.

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

Yes it's true most people in the UK have realized Christianity is a fairytale for adults. We will also convince Muslims that Islam is a fairytale for adults. It will never have a significant presence in my country. Leaving the EU would reduce the Muslim immigration you oppose so why would you want Britain to stay in the EU?

If we stayed in the EU our borders would potentially be open to millions of Turkish citizens if they join the eu as expected due to freedom of movement across member states. Therefore if you oppose Islamic migration to the UK supporting leave is logical.

It's obvious that this is the end times mentioned in Biblical end times prophecies. Thus, it probably will not matter. Europe has rejected God and as is Biblically typical, God stops shielding and steps away as demanded by that culture. And the result usually is being handed over to your enemies, rape, and economic collapse.
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6/17/2016 11:11:57 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 11:03:06 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:50:49 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of
Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law.

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

Yes it's true most people in the UK have realized Christianity is a fairytale for adults. We will also convince Muslims that Islam is a fairytale for adults. It will never have a significant presence in my country. Leaving the EU would reduce the Muslim immigration you oppose so why would you want Britain to stay in the EU?

If we stayed in the EU our borders would potentially be open to millions of Turkish citizens if they join the eu as expected due to freedom of movement across member states. Therefore if you oppose Islamic migration to the UK supporting leave is logical.

It's obvious that this is the end times mentioned in Biblical end times prophecies. Thus, it probably will not matter. Europe has rejected God and as is Biblically typical, God stops shielding and steps away as demanded by that cultu

As you know I love talking about religion but this is the politics forum. Removing your religious beliefs from the equation what is your opinion on this issue?
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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6/17/2016 11:22:47 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 11:11:57 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 6/17/2016 11:03:06 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:50:49 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of
Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law.

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

Yes it's true most people in the UK have realized Christianity is a fairytale for adults. We will also convince Muslims that Islam is a fairytale for adults. It will never have a significant presence in my country. Leaving the EU would reduce the Muslim immigration you oppose so why would you want Britain to stay in the EU?

If we stayed in the EU our borders would potentially be open to millions of Turkish citizens if they join the eu as expected due to freedom of movement across member states. Therefore if you oppose Islamic migration to the UK supporting leave is logical.

It's obvious that this is the end times mentioned in Biblical end times prophecies. Thus, it probably will not matter. Europe has rejected God and as is Biblically typical, God stops shielding and steps away as demanded by that cultu

As you know I love talking about religion but this is the politics forum. Removing your religious beliefs from the equation what is your opinion on this issue?

I just did a debate on why the UK should leave the bogus EU. Why? So women's rights do not disappear. So Turkey has no influence over them in any way. So they can guard their culture and boders. Etc etc
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6/18/2016 12:04:49 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 11:22:47 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 11:11:57 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 6/17/2016 11:03:06 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:50:49 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 6/17/2016 10:17:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

1. It costs the uk "8. 4 billion a year to be a member of the European union. This is a complete waste of money. We should use that money to improve services or pay off some of our huge debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

2. The EU mandates all states in the union have to allow free movement of foreign nationals from all other member states into their territory on either a temporary or permanent basis. This includes people with criminal convictions who have finished their sentences. This means people from less wealthy parts of the EU migrate to the UK for economic reasons. Last year 270, 000 people migrated to Britain from the EU while only 85, 000 people emigrated from the UK to other EU states. This disparity leads to pressure on public services, higher unemployment, pressure on social housing and increased welfare costs.

It also contributes towards the housing crisis as people are coming in faster than houses are being built due to fight planning regulations. The more people are in a country the higher house prices and rent costs will be due to greater demand for houses and places to live. This makes it hard for first time buyers to get on the housing ladder and harder for people to move out of the family home and live independently.

If the UK left the EU and adopted an Australian style points system to determine who to allow into the country we could reduce net migration to manageable levels and accept the people most beneficial to our economy and people who have skills and qualifications that there are a shortage of among British citizens. It would also make our immigration policy much fairer as currently we unfairly discriminate against people outside of the eu.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

3. The EU is undemocratic. The following was taken from;

http://m.huffpost.com...

The EU"s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.

There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of
Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn"t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after "4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia"s national bank.

This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a fa"ade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.

Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public"s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It"s a "club" to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.

The European Council - sometimes called The Council - is the meeting of the Member States. It is called the European Council when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance, and The Council when it"s the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending. This is the final hurdle any European proposal has to pass in order to become law. Decision-making at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Government can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway. The UK only has a veto to prevent EU laws impacting the UK in a very minor number of areas. If the European Council/Council approves proposals, they become EU law.

Nope. You guys wanted Christianity gone. Now reap the harvest that comes from that. What color hijab do you want?

Yes it's true most people in the UK have realized Christianity is a fairytale for adults. We will also convince Muslims that Islam is a fairytale for adults. It will never have a significant presence in my country. Leaving the EU would reduce the Muslim immigration you oppose so why would you want Britain to stay in the EU?

If we stayed in the EU our borders would potentially be open to millions of Turkish citizens if they join the eu as expected due to freedom of movement across member states. Therefore if you oppose Islamic migration to the UK supporting leave is logical.

It's obvious that this is the end times mentioned in Biblical end times prophecies. Thus, it probably will not matter. Europe has rejected God and as is Biblically typical, God stops shielding and steps away as demanded by that cultu

As you know I love talking about religion but this is the politics forum. Removing your religious beliefs from the equation what is your opinion on this issue?

I just did a debate on why the UK should leave the bogus EU. Why? So women's rights do not disappear. So Turkey has no influence over them in any way. So they can guard their culture and boders. Etc etc

Fair enough. I don't think women's rights are threatened by continued EU membership but it's true that Turkey joining the EU is disastrous for it's member states democratically, economically, culturally and in terms of security. The only reason Turkey is going to join the EU is the Islamist president Erdogan blackmailed EU leaders with the threat of letting in millions of refugees if they didn't let Turkey join the EU.

If I was in charge I would not have given in to a man as undesirable and authoritarian as Erdogan. I would have deployed military resources to arrest and deport illegal immigrants as soon as they left Turkish land/ waters.
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6/18/2016 2:51:49 AM
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At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
I agree with this. When the people of Europe had a chance to vote for either federalism or nationalism, they soundly rejected federalism. They should leave this misguided experiment before it is forced on them. One cannot simultaneously value democracy and the EU.
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6/18/2016 3:53:02 AM
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At 6/18/2016 2:51:49 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
I agree with this. When the people of Europe had a chance to vote for either federalism or nationalism, they soundly rejected federalism. They should leave this misguided experiment before it is forced on them. One cannot simultaneously value democracy and the EU.

It's not even nationalism at this point, it's self preservation. It's the idea that the UK is a wonderful nation with its own set of culture and ideals, and has been so for quite a long time. Now, we have multiculturalism destroying the UK with radical Islam and people like Anjem Choudary, an extremism supporter, being freely let into the UK.
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6/18/2016 6:12:46 AM
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Because YOU are BRITISH! You are not some kind of a European, and you should not be required to be one.
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6/18/2016 2:31:30 PM
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Random question: do you believe that the European Union will likely collapse following a Brexit?
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6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?
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6/19/2016 12:39:07 AM
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At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Do liberals support leaving? Or do Liberals support staying?
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6/19/2016 1:26:35 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/18/2016 2:31:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Random question: do you believe that the European Union will likely collapse following a Brexit?

Not really. France and Germany are the most important members of the EU, as well as Belgium, since the EU is headquartered in Brussels. Britain already isn't part of the Eurozone, so it's fine if they leave for the rest of the EU. It's mostly just an immigration and trade/military deal with Britain, and they can always re-negotiate.
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6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/19/2016 1:29:07 AM
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At 6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.

So I assume the rightists support leaving?
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6/19/2016 1:30:48 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 1:29:07 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.

So I assume the rightists support leaving?

Most people on the right support leaving, most on the left want to stay. There are some overlaps, but currently as it stands the vast majority of the right wingers want to leave the EU, mainly because of immigration problems and the fact that the EU is led by un-elected bureaucrats that decide British policies for them, especially trade.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/19/2016 1:32:52 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 1:30:48 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:29:07 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.

So I assume the rightists support leaving?

Most people on the right support leaving, most on the left want to stay. There are some overlaps, but currently as it stands the vast majority of the right wingers want to leave the EU, mainly because of immigration problems and the fact that the EU is led by un-elected bureaucrats that decide British policies for them, especially trade.

Ah I see. I have been distracted with the election and haven't kept up the the European Union chaos.
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6/19/2016 1:34:04 AM
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At 6/19/2016 1:32:52 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:30:48 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:29:07 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.

So I assume the rightists support leaving?

Most people on the right support leaving, most on the left want to stay. There are some overlaps, but currently as it stands the vast majority of the right wingers want to leave the EU, mainly because of immigration problems and the fact that the EU is led by un-elected bureaucrats that decide British policies for them, especially trade.

Ah I see. I have been distracted with the election and haven't kept up the the European Union chaos.

The EU truly is chaotic.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/19/2016 1:35:27 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 1:34:04 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:32:52 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:30:48 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:29:07 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.

So I assume the rightists support leaving?

Most people on the right support leaving, most on the left want to stay. There are some overlaps, but currently as it stands the vast majority of the right wingers want to leave the EU, mainly because of immigration problems and the fact that the EU is led by un-elected bureaucrats that decide British policies for them, especially trade.

Ah I see. I have been distracted with the election and haven't kept up the the European Union chaos.

The EU truly is chaotic.

As a liberal the EU seems very Un-Democratic. Also, this whole open borders fiasco is interesting which I may need to look into.
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6/19/2016 1:39:22 AM
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At 6/19/2016 1:26:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 2:31:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Random question: do you believe that the European Union will likely collapse following a Brexit?

Not really. France and Germany are the most important members of the EU, as well as Belgium, since the EU is headquartered in Brussels. Britain already isn't part of the Eurozone, so it's fine if they leave for the rest of the EU. It's mostly just an immigration and trade/military deal with Britain, and they can always re-negotiate.

Also, England has always been kind of isolated from the continent, so I suppose that if any country was going to leave it'd be them.
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6/19/2016 1:41:46 AM
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At 6/19/2016 1:35:27 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:34:04 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:32:52 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:30:48 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:29:07 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:28:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:35:35 AM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/17/2016 8:49:55 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
June the 23rd is a big day for the UK. It's when we get a once in a generation chance to decide whether we as a nation are happy to remain in a European union heading towards becoming an undemocratic superstate (although its could be considered it is already become exactly that) or whether we want to take back control and leave. Here are the main reasons I will vote to leave the EU.

Could someone explain to me how this whole "Leave the European Union" thing arose?

The EU is anti sovereignty and has created this open borders policy which is importing Eastern European EU members into Western European countries to reap the benefits of their welfare programs as well as the fact that over a million Muslims has crept into Europe under the guise of the refugee crisis only to rest on the benefits in Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK. The English want their damn nation and sovereignty back.

So I assume the rightists support leaving?

Most people on the right support leaving, most on the left want to stay. There are some overlaps, but currently as it stands the vast majority of the right wingers want to leave the EU, mainly because of immigration problems and the fact that the EU is led by un-elected bureaucrats that decide British policies for them, especially trade.

Ah I see. I have been distracted with the election and haven't kept up the the European Union chaos.

The EU truly is chaotic.

As a liberal the EU seems very Un-Democratic. Also, this whole open borders fiasco is interesting which I may need to look into.

It's not even a matter of democracy, because I think democracy is a load of crap. It's a matter of national sovereignty, where the country makes its own decisions, not the bureaucrats of the EU.

The open borders is terrible as anyone can come in freely.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/19/2016 1:42:03 AM
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At 6/19/2016 1:39:22 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:26:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 2:31:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Random question: do you believe that the European Union will likely collapse following a Brexit?

Not really. France and Germany are the most important members of the EU, as well as Belgium, since the EU is headquartered in Brussels. Britain already isn't part of the Eurozone, so it's fine if they leave for the rest of the EU. It's mostly just an immigration and trade/military deal with Britain, and they can always re-negotiate.

Also, England has always been kind of isolated from the continent, so I suppose that if any country was going to leave it'd be them.

Exactly.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/19/2016 1:49:51 AM
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At 6/19/2016 1:42:03 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:39:22 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/19/2016 1:26:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 2:31:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Random question: do you believe that the European Union will likely collapse following a Brexit?

Not really. France and Germany are the most important members of the EU, as well as Belgium, since the EU is headquartered in Brussels. Britain already isn't part of the Eurozone, so it's fine if they leave for the rest of the EU. It's mostly just an immigration and trade/military deal with Britain, and they can always re-negotiate.

Also, England has always been kind of isolated from the continent, so I suppose that if any country was going to leave it'd be them.

Exactly.

Also, England doesn't use the Euro either. Which makes relations with the EU very awkward.
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