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Lsumichiganfan
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6/20/2016 7:27:28 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
I watched stubbornly to see if Bernie was going to finally leave the race in his idiotic National live stream address. Sadly, it turns out that Sanders was just using his spotlight create a "revolution" in the Democratic Party. He demanded that the Democratic Party endorses a single-payer system and that the Democratic Party endorses a free-tuition proposal for public colleges and Universities. He said that the Democratic Party switch to all open primaries and abolish super delegates and stated that the Democratic Party should abolish pledged delegates and switch to a popular-vote contest.

So, instead of dropping out and rallying behind the Democratic Party nominee. Bernie decided that he wanted to go on a rant-fest to appeal to his disconnected voters that would rather prefer Trump or even vote for a third-party spoiler like Jill Stein. Bernie Sanders thinks that he is in charge of the Democratic Party now. Well sadly he isn't. Bernie Sanders is an independent senator from Vermont he has campaigned against Democrats. He became a Democrat when he announced his candidacy for President of the United States which was around one year ago.

Bernie Sanders is stating that he flip the super delegates at the convention. This goes against his whole entire theory of Democracy and fair elections. Bernie Sanders lost the pledged delegate count and lost the popular vote (by nearly THREE MILLION VOTES!) For some reason Bernie thinks that he should be the nominee even though it is clearly shown that voters voted against him. Not FOR him which I guess is what he assumes.

The typical Bernie Sanders supporters say he will do much better in the general election then Hillary Clinton. I don't think they understand that if he becomes the nominee the RNC will begin a crusade of ads labeling him as a Communist and comparing him to leaders like Castro and the president of Venezuela Nicolas Maduro who endorsed him. Bernie would get hammered in the general and it would be a decision between "A socialist who can't explain his policies" and "a fascist who can't explain his policies". I would vote for Bernie Sanders in the general election, but it definitely wouldn't be a thrill.

Bernie Sanders refused to release his tax returns older than five years old while demanding that Hillary Clinton release her Wall-Street transcripts. (Which is a new thing) (Releasing your tax returns isn't a new thing). Bernie claims he knows a lot about foreign policy but fails to describe anything remotely reasonable. Then attacks Clinton for her "lack of judgement." You know what I would love? For Bernie to be Secretary of State? To see how HE HANDLES THE JOB! Bernie's hypocrisy is clearly identifiable but his supporters ignore it and instead look at bogus news articles as "factual evidence."

Bernie Sanders needs to choose a side. Is he with Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party? Or, with third-party spoilers?

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6/20/2016 7:38:30 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Your rant is woefully uninformed. Bernie is said to have no intention on flipping superdelegates after his California loss - he is leaving it up to them.

However, he is pushing for the abolition of superdelegates, saying the media created a false picture based on votes for Clinton before she even announced - thus making some early voters think he had no chance, and then opting for the "safe option" in Clinton.

Also, if he was the nominee, the Green Party wouldn't have 5% support right now. In fact, Jill Stein might've stepped out as to not spoil a Sanders-led Democratic Party. Gary Johnson is pulling from some Sanders supporters as well - and some polls indicate he takes equally from Clinton and Trump. So yes, a Sanders-led Party would by definition be stronger.

And Trump has made exactly 0 ads so far, but when he does - expect the criminal investigation on Clinton to come up, which Americans - even moderates and right-wingers, care more about than Sanders being a socialist.
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6/20/2016 7:55:53 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Also, Democrats campaign against other Democrats all the time. Just look at the obvious collusion in the Pennsylvania Senate Primary this year - all to keep someone that might be a threat to their system out of office.
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6/21/2016 2:21:40 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/20/2016 7:27:28 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
The typical Bernie Sanders supporters say he will do much better in the general election then Hillary Clinton.
they would happen to be right

Bernie Sanders refused to release his tax returns older than five years old while demanding that Hillary Clinton release her Wall-Street transcripts.
Not even remotely comparable or relevant

Bernie Sanders needs to choose a side. Is he with Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party? Or, with third-party spoilers?
Latter or neither. he's not a pseudo-psychopathic satanist, as should be obvious by now
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6/21/2016 1:47:09 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/20/2016 7:55:53 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Also, Democrats campaign against other Democrats all the time. Just look at the obvious collusion in the Pennsylvania Senate Primary this year - all to keep someone that might be a threat to their system out of office.

I am well aware about the Primaries that take place. I am talking about the post-primary races where Bernie is running against an Independent and a Republican.
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6/21/2016 1:49:09 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Bernie's utter lack of knowledge on his own policy proposals and how they would be executed is rivaled only by Donald Trump's. The Daily News interview exposes this

http://www.nydailynews.com...

His scapegoating of Wall Street is eerily similar to that of Trump with immigrants. His rhetoric about the "establishment" is exchangeable with Trump's as well. He has avoided addressing any modern foreign policy dilemmas, blaming climate change for ISIS. His economic proposals have been under-cooked at best (break up the banks) and absurd at best (speculation tax). He has provided no realistic way of passing and paying for single-payer healthcare or free public college, only trumpeting how the Europe has them and the U.S. lacks them without proposing how we go about achieving them. And now he laughably thinks he has leverage over a party he joined a year ago, could not win, many of his followers don't claim to and harassed those who disagree. The power and national spotlight has gone to his head. He's brought issues to light and I respect that but that does not excuse the fact that he has failed to bring forward real thought out solutions.

Also Bernie cites the pre-general election polls that show him leading Trump while citing pre-primary polls that had him clocking in at 1% against Hillary. He thought the polls were B.S. until they became his only argument. And if he's no longer going to try and flip super-delegates (which was a ridiculous strategy anyways after he and his supporters blasted them AND would have to convince them to go against the popular vote in Hillary's favor) he's basically given up on being the nominee so what is he still doing? Planning to demand that the party adopts the policies he failed to sell and win on? If Donald Trump loses this election because Bernie and his supporters spend the election throwing tantrums or feeling sorry for themselves I will be severely disappointed.
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6/21/2016 3:52:13 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/21/2016 1:47:09 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/20/2016 7:55:53 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Also, Democrats campaign against other Democrats all the time. Just look at the obvious collusion in the Pennsylvania Senate Primary this year - all to keep someone that might be a threat to their system out of office.

I am well aware about the Primaries that take place. I am talking about the post-primary races where Bernie is running against a Democrat and a Republican.

Really? Lol.

How about the Democrats who ran against him in Burlington 3 times after he was elected - and the state Party's cooperation in 1987 with the Republicans for a single moderate Democrat to run against Sanders? So why should he have felt so loyal to them as to step out?

And don't give me the lie he have the Republicans the 1988 House victory in Vermont by spoiling - he got twice the vote the Democrat running did. Then he was elected to the House in '90, and then the Democrats ran against him three times again.
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6/21/2016 4:42:12 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/21/2016 3:52:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 6/21/2016 1:47:09 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/20/2016 7:55:53 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Also, Democrats campaign against other Democrats all the time. Just look at the obvious collusion in the Pennsylvania Senate Primary this year - all to keep someone that might be a threat to their system out of office.

I am well aware about the Primaries that take place. I am talking about the post-primary races where Bernie is running against a Democrat and a Republican.

Really? Lol.

How about the Democrats who ran against him in Burlington 3 times after he was elected - and the state Party's cooperation in 1987 with the Republicans for a single moderate Democrat to run against Sanders? So why should he have felt so loyal to them as to step out?

And don't give me the lie he have the Republicans the 1988 House victory in Vermont by spoiling - he got twice the vote the Democrat running did. Then he was elected to the House in '90, and then the Democrats ran against him three times again.

I think you are missing my point. My point is that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat thus he does not have the right to demand changes in the DNC.
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