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6/23/2016 2:01:58 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

Best analysis of the geopolitical situation in Europe, and historical precedent:
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/23/2016 2:25:18 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
UK should leave. They don't make anything they can sell to the EU. They can get what they need from China. The monarchy is not recognized by the EU nor is English adopted by the EU. The Brits are terrible with other languages and what they borrowed corrupted their own by making it too sophisticated for the average Brit to master.
The only shame is conceding the Germans conquered Europe.
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6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.
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6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?
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6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/23/2016 4:00:19 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.

Ears burn...
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6/23/2016 4:13:55 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.

You ageist micro-aggressor.

Think about what you said for a moment and then convert to being an SJW.
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6/23/2016 4:14:47 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:13:55 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.

You ageist micro-aggressor.

Think about what you said for a moment and then convert to being an SJW.

Not to mention an animal hater....
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6/23/2016 4:15:21 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:13:55 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.

You ageist micro-aggressor.

Think about what you said for a moment and then convert to being an SJW.

We can debate this once you can grow a more full mustache.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/23/2016 4:16:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:14:47 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:13:55 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.

You ageist micro-aggressor.

Think about what you said for a moment and then convert to being an SJW.

Not to mention an animal hater....

Polly want a cracker?
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/23/2016 4:17:29 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:16:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:14:47 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:13:55 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:48:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:42:03 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/23/2016 3:25:23 PM, Lsumichiganfan wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

The UK should stay. Leaving would create vast economic instability.

How?

He's fourteen, he's just parroting what he's heard.

You ageist micro-aggressor.

Think about what you said for a moment and then convert to being an SJW.

Not to mention an animal hater....

Polly want a cracker?

*Ruffles*
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6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?
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6/23/2016 4:33:08 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:26:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
When are the results supposed to be out?

Polling averages are saying too close to call. The most recent poll had leave ahead 4 points, but the margin of error was +/- 4.5
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6/23/2016 4:34:12 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
The UK should leave just to prove that it can.
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6/23/2016 4:37:56 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?



What makes the EU leaders so much more leaderworthy?
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6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/23/2016 4:41:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:37:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?



What makes the EU leaders so much more leaderworthy?

It's not so much that they are more trustworthy (I backed the Greens/EFA and GUE/NGL in the last Euro election for god sake), it's that the EU has regulations on the books already that prevent the things these people want to do. The EU does need to change, for certain, but it can't be changed from the outside. If that were the case the Swiss would have changed it by now.
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6/23/2016 4:41:53 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.

Perhaps a resurgence in the UK Monarchy mentality?
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6/23/2016 4:43:27 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:41:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:37:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?



What makes the EU leaders so much more leaderworthy?

It's not so much that they are more trustworthy (I backed the Greens/EFA and GUE/NGL in the last Euro election for god sake), it's that the EU has regulations on the books already that prevent the things these people want to do. The EU does need to change, for certain, but it can't be changed from the outside. If that were the case the Swiss would have changed it by now.

Lol...truly lol that you think an unelected...unaccountable entity as the EU has any mechanism for change. No go back to your plantation.
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6/23/2016 4:46:44 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.

That Segways really well into my next reason I am against Brexit. The EU is undemocratic, and I don't support the EU as it is, but in order to change the EU you need to be in the EU.
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6/23/2016 4:47:43 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:43:27 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:41:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:37:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?



What makes the EU leaders so much more leaderworthy?

It's not so much that they are more trustworthy (I backed the Greens/EFA and GUE/NGL in the last Euro election for god sake), it's that the EU has regulations on the books already that prevent the things these people want to do. The EU does need to change, for certain, but it can't be changed from the outside. If that were the case the Swiss would have changed it by now.

Lol...truly lol that you think an unelected...unaccountable entity as the EU has any mechanism for change. No go back to your plantation.

A lot of European people seem to think that the fact that they elect people to the European Parliament means that they have representation, when that body has no power to overrule the Commission. It's like being happy with the situation in the Roman Principate, or thinking that it can be changed 'democratically'.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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6/23/2016 4:50:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:43:27 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:41:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:37:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?



What makes the EU leaders so much more leaderworthy?

It's not so much that they are more trustworthy (I backed the Greens/EFA and GUE/NGL in the last Euro election for god sake), it's that the EU has regulations on the books already that prevent the things these people want to do. The EU does need to change, for certain, but it can't be changed from the outside. If that were the case the Swiss would have changed it by now.

Lol...truly lol that you think an unelected...unaccountable entity as the EU has any mechanism for change. No go back to your plantation.

Did I ever say change would come from above? No, it never has and it never will. But you can change Europe by joining the movement to democratize Europe.
Lets just talk to former Greek Finance minister, and economist, Yannis Varoufakis.

Also, I don't live on a plantation, I live in a suburban house
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6/23/2016 4:51:43 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:46:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.

That Segways really well into my next reason I am against Brexit. The EU is undemocratic, and I don't support the EU as it is, but in order to change the EU you need to be in the EU.

Your elected Parliament cannot override the Commission. You have no political power to change the E.U., it is structurally rotten.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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6/23/2016 4:52:06 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:46:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.

That Segways really well into my next reason I am against Brexit. The EU is undemocratic, and I don't support the EU as it is, but in order to change the EU you need to be in the EU.


That's the stupidest logic ever..oh my. It's like telling a battered wife to stay married because that is how you will make things better, by changing HIM....I mean what in the holy hell...have all liberals gone full Stockholm Syndrome?
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6/23/2016 4:55:54 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:47:43 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:43:27 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:41:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:37:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?



What makes the EU leaders so much more leaderworthy?

It's not so much that they are more trustworthy (I backed the Greens/EFA and GUE/NGL in the last Euro election for god sake), it's that the EU has regulations on the books already that prevent the things these people want to do. The EU does need to change, for certain, but it can't be changed from the outside. If that were the case the Swiss would have changed it by now.

Lol...truly lol that you think an unelected...unaccountable entity as the EU has any mechanism for change. No go back to your plantation.

A lot of European people seem to think that the fact that they elect people to the European Parliament means that they have representation, when that body has no power to overrule the Commission. It's like being happy with the situation in the Roman Principate, or thinking that it can be changed 'democratically'.

That is a problem and it needs to be changed for sure, and that can only happen if there is a mass movement across Europe to change that. That is the only way change has ever been accomplished and its the only way change ever will happen.
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6/23/2016 5:01:05 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:52:06 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:46:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.

That Segways really well into my next reason I am against Brexit. The EU is undemocratic, and I don't support the EU as it is, but in order to change the EU you need to be in the EU.


That's the stupidest logic ever..oh my. It's like telling a battered wife to stay married because that is how you will make things better, by changing HIM....I mean what in the holy hell...have all liberals gone full Stockholm Syndrome?

1) I'm not a liberal, I thought the quote I use as my signature made that perfectly clear.
2) I fail to see how an abusive relationship is an appropriate analogy, as that is where only 1 person is trying to change another person. I am talking about a mass movement of people across Europe to take on an institution of power (the European Commission)
3) You seem not to realize that there is a way to change things, and it's by building a grassroots movement to democratize the EU.
This site should explain
https://diem25.org...
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6/23/2016 5:03:00 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:51:43 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:46:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:40:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2016 4:31:10 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/23/2016 1:47:55 PM, YYW wrote:
If I was voting today, I would vote to leave.

I have made my position clear on this one, that I am against leaving. Since I really don't want to go and restate my arguments again, I will just post a few videos to give my reasons.
First Reason: Do you really want these people to be in charge of the UK?

Lol, we all know how great the alternatives to democracy are. Workers fare so well under autocratic states, and I'm sure that the unelected European Commission (where all of the real legislative power in the EU resides) will always keep the best interests of the little people in the forefront of their minds. After all, people are good by nature!

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that the general populace deserves to be brutally fvcked out of everything that their ancestors fought for, since they are so momentously stupid that they are begging for unelected, obscenely wealthy men to take their rights to political representation away.

That Segways really well into my next reason I am against Brexit. The EU is undemocratic, and I don't support the EU as it is, but in order to change the EU you need to be in the EU.

Your elected Parliament cannot override the Commission. You have no political power to change the E.U., it is structurally rotten.

I agree, which is why there needs to be a mass movement to change the EU made up of people from across Europe. The movement is already being built, it's called DiEM25.
https://diem25.org...
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6/23/2016 5:04:00 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 4:34:12 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The UK should leave just to prove that it can.

That is the single worst argument I have heard yet.