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6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Recently, the British Nationalist Party saw its greatest rise in support until Nick Griffin resigned, the French Nationalist Front is becoming one of the strongest political forces in France, and the Golden Dawn of Greece are practically taking over. But what about Germany? Well, there is the NPD that has gained "some" popularity (one seat in the European Parliament to be exact), but it's extremely hurt by German government's constant attempts to ban this Nazi Party successor. With the recent migrant crisis, some of the people in Germany have decided to become the "French Nationalist Front of Germany". What's it called? The Alternative for Germany. This far-right organization has seen a great increase in popularity since its conception in 2013, already having two seats in the European Parliament and 102 seats in the State Parliaments. This organization has been called "scary" (http://www.independent.co.uk...), with one incident where their current leader, Frauke Petry, believed that German police should, "if necessary", shoot at migrants who attempt to enter the country illegally from Austria. They have also called Merkel the "worst Chancellor in history".

This organization has even been accused of going down the road of the "Germany of yesterday" by German Justice Minister Heiko Maas (http://www.dw.com...). While not officially being termed as a neo-nazi organization like the NDP, the AfG has been accused of being nationalistic, isolationist, right-wing populist, and having a "discriminatory manifesto". The party supposedly has inner-conflicts and a lack of leadership, but "double figures in the 2017 federal elections seem likely...Germany is no longer immune to the kind of right-wing populism that its European neighbors have long grown accustomed to. The question to ask is not whether the AfD is likely to stay, but what the party"s rise means for German politics." (http://www.politico.eu...).

As for actual policy, the AfG rejects Turkey's EU membership, calls for a more nationalized EU, a possibility of a single currency for Germany, remain in NATO, possibly close the borders, and "ban minarets and the call to prayer, and the full-face veil for women", stating "Islam does not belong in Germany". You can read the article for their economic (economic liberalism and social conservatism) policies (http://sputniknews.com...). The AfG classifies itself as "conservative and middle-class", catering to a well-educated demographic as more than two-thirds of its initial supporters held doctorates (http://www.nytimes.com...). Their popularity is supposedly "surging" http://www.dw.com..., winning quite a lot of ground in the State elections of this year, as well as apparently "scaring Europe" in the process (https://news.vice.com...).

So, what do you think about the Alternative for Germany? Do you think they're like Trump and the media is just out to get them? Do you agree with some of their policies? Do you think like the NPD Germany should try to ban this party? How popular do you think they're going to get in the future? Do you think this is just a "phase" and they'll die down like what happened with the BNP? Do you think this party is "dangerous" or do you think it's possibly what Germany needs? Do you think this party's popularity will rise from the UK leaving the EU? Discuss.
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6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.
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6/24/2016 7:01:58 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Bump :(
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6/24/2016 7:33:50 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Recently, the British Nationalist Party saw its greatest rise in support until Nick Griffin resigned, the French Nationalist Front is becoming one of the strongest political forces in France, and the Golden Dawn of Greece are practically taking over. But what about Germany? Well, there is the NPD that has gained "some" popularity (one seat in the European Parliament to be exact), but it's extremely hurt by German government's constant attempts to ban this Nazi Party successor. With the recent migrant crisis, some of the people in Germany have decided to become the "French Nationalist Front of Germany". What's it called? The Alternative for Germany. This far-right organization has seen a great increase in popularity since its conception in 2013, already having two seats in the European Parliament and 102 seats in the State Parliaments. This organization has been called "scary" (http://www.independent.co.uk...), with one incident where their current leader, Frauke Petry, believed that German police should, "if necessary", shoot at migrants who attempt to enter the country illegally from Austria. They have also called Merkel the "worst Chancellor in history".

This organization has even been accused of going down the road of the "Germany of yesterday" by German Justice Minister Heiko Maas (http://www.dw.com...). While not officially being termed as a neo-nazi organization like the NDP, the AfG has been accused of being nationalistic, isolationist, right-wing populist, and having a "discriminatory manifesto". The party supposedly has inner-conflicts and a lack of leadership, but "double figures in the 2017 federal elections seem likely...Germany is no longer immune to the kind of right-wing populism that its European neighbors have long grown accustomed to. The question to ask is not whether the AfD is likely to stay, but what the party"s rise means for German politics." (http://www.politico.eu...).

As for actual policy, the AfG rejects Turkey's EU membership, calls for a more nationalized EU, a possibility of a single currency for Germany, remain in NATO, possibly close the borders, and "ban minarets and the call to prayer, and the full-face veil for women", stating "Islam does not belong in Germany". You can read the article for their economic (economic liberalism and social conservatism) policies (http://sputniknews.com...). The AfG classifies itself as "conservative and middle-class", catering to a well-educated demographic as more than two-thirds of its initial supporters held doctorates (http://www.nytimes.com...). Their popularity is supposedly "surging" http://www.dw.com..., winning quite a lot of ground in the State elections of this year, as well as apparently "scaring Europe" in the process (https://news.vice.com...).

So, what do you think about the Alternative for Germany? Do you think they're like Drumpf and the media is just out to get them? Do you agree with some of their policies? Do you think like the NPD Germany should try to ban this party? How popular do you think they're going to get in the future? Do you think this is just a "phase" and they'll die down like what happened with the BNP? Do you think this party is "dangerous" or do you think it's possibly what Germany needs? Do you think this party's popularity will rise from the UK leaving the EU? Discuss.

I think it will decline actually, because I think it will mkae more Germans nervous about the dissolution of the EU and they will return to the other parties rather quickly.
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6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.
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6/24/2016 7:45:42 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Recently, the British Nationalist Party saw its greatest rise in support until Nick Griffin resigned, the French Nationalist Front is becoming one of the strongest political forces in France, and the Golden Dawn of Greece are practically taking over. But what about Germany? Well, there is the NPD that has gained "some" popularity (one seat in the European Parliament to be exact), but it's extremely hurt by German government's constant attempts to ban this Nazi Party successor. With the recent migrant crisis, some of the people in Germany have decided to become the "French Nationalist Front of Germany". What's it called? The Alternative for Germany. This far-right organization has seen a great increase in popularity since its conception in 2013, already having two seats in the European Parliament and 102 seats in the State Parliaments. This organization has been called "scary" (http://www.independent.co.uk...), with one incident where their current leader, Frauke Petry, believed that German police should, "if necessary", shoot at migrants who attempt to enter the country illegally from Austria. They have also called Merkel the "worst Chancellor in history".

This organization has even been accused of going down the road of the "Germany of yesterday" by German Justice Minister Heiko Maas (http://www.dw.com...). While not officially being termed as a neo-nazi organization like the NDP, the AfG has been accused of being nationalistic, isolationist, right-wing populist, and having a "discriminatory manifesto". The party supposedly has inner-conflicts and a lack of leadership, but "double figures in the 2017 federal elections seem likely...Germany is no longer immune to the kind of right-wing populism that its European neighbors have long grown accustomed to. The question to ask is not whether the AfD is likely to stay, but what the party"s rise means for German politics." (http://www.politico.eu...).

As for actual policy, the AfG rejects Turkey's EU membership, calls for a more nationalized EU, a possibility of a single currency for Germany, remain in NATO, possibly close the borders, and "ban minarets and the call to prayer, and the full-face veil for women", stating "Islam does not belong in Germany". You can read the article for their economic (economic liberalism and social conservatism) policies (http://sputniknews.com...). The AfG classifies itself as "conservative and middle-class", catering to a well-educated demographic as more than two-thirds of its initial supporters held doctorates (http://www.nytimes.com...). Their popularity is supposedly "surging" http://www.dw.com..., winning quite a lot of ground in the State elections of this year, as well as apparently "scaring Europe" in the process (https://news.vice.com...).

So, what do you think about the Alternative for Germany? Do you think they're like Trump and the media is just out to get them? Do you agree with some of their policies? Do you think like the NPD Germany should try to ban this party? How popular do you think they're going to get in the future? Do you think this is just a "phase" and they'll die down like what happened with the BNP? Do you think this party is "dangerous" or do you think it's possibly what Germany needs? Do you think this party's popularity will rise from the UK leaving the EU? Discuss.

We are a long way off from seeing the AfD take power in Germany, if ever.
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6/24/2016 8:26:02 PM
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Apparently, the leaders of AfG, the National Front of France, and Dutch Party for Freedom have all requested a referendum to leave the EU after the Brexit decision, as predicted.
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6/24/2016 8:55:03 PM
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At 6/24/2016 8:26:02 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Apparently, the leaders of AfG, the National Front of France, and Dutch Party for Freedom have all requested a referendum to leave the EU after the Brexit decision, as predicted.

Frexit, now that's a much snazzier name, feels like it just calls for some jazz hands.
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6/24/2016 9:51:23 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Well, there is the NPD that has gained "some" popularity (one seat in the European Parliament to be exact), but it's extremely hurt by German government's constant attempts to ban this Nazi Party successor.
Banning them won't change things because it won't change the way people think. They'll either support other right wing idiots like the AfD or go underground and radicalize even more. As it is, all the bad guys are in one place where you can see at least some of what they are doing.

The Alternative for Germany. This far-right organization has seen a great increase in popularity since its conception in 2013, already having two seats in the European Parliament and 102 seats in the State Parliaments.
They are somewhat successful on state level yes. Fortunately though, they are not on federal level, where they could do some actual damage.

This organization has been called "scary" (http://www.independent.co.uk...), with one incident where their current leader, Frauke Petry, believed that German police should, "if necessary", shoot at migrants who attempt to enter the country illegally from Austria. They have also called Merkel the "worst Chancellor in history".
People say Trump is supported by many closet racists, but this is a whole new level of disgusting. At least compared to the situation in Germany atm.
Militarization, military marches, social darwinism, blatant racism, identity politics (the inverse kind of third wave feminism), homophobia and nazi-rethoric are just the top of the iceberg.

I remember sitting in politics class in middle school when we were asked whether something like the third reich could happen here again. "Nah, we have learned how bad racism is, we know better now" is what I thought at that time.
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6/24/2016 10:07:01 PM
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No one does nationalism better than the Germans. I think they have earned the right to try again. They will have less opposition among the lesser European countries and will find Russia a willing and able partner. By opening their doors to Muslim refugees they have extended their reach to the Middle East. When China gets into the fold the strategy will be complete.
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6/24/2016 11:37:51 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
I don't have a huge amount of hope for Germany, but I do see stirrings in France, Denmark, and the Netherlands. I'm hoping that far right groups increase their influence and inculcate more nationalism in their populations in order to fight off globalist influences. Even if they don't win, they can influence the mainstream parties towards the preservation of European culture and ideals, and the firm stance that Europe belongs to Europeans first.
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6/24/2016 11:43:06 PM
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At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Would you be happy if someone locked in a little cage so that you wouldn't be troubled with freedom?
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6/25/2016 12:05:38 AM
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At 6/24/2016 11:43:06 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Would you be happy if someone locked in a little cage so that you wouldn't be troubled with freedom?

If someone locked in a little cage what? Your sentence makes no sense. Also read the German Constitution.
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6/25/2016 12:11:33 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Because of something called freedom of expression?
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6/25/2016 12:53:14 AM
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At 6/25/2016 12:11:33 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Because of something called freedom of expression?

Read the German constitution
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6/25/2016 12:57:36 AM
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At 6/24/2016 11:37:51 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
I don't have a huge amount of hope for Germany, but I do see stirrings in France, Denmark, and the Netherlands. I'm hoping that far right groups increase their influence and inculcate more nationalism in their populations in order to fight off globalist influences. Even if they don't win, they can influence the mainstream parties towards the preservation of European culture and ideals, and the firm stance that Europe belongs to Europeans first.

Most of the right wing populist/nationalist groups that are on the rise in Europe aren't necessarily "far-right", they are labelled that way by the media because much of Europe is far-left.
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6/25/2016 1:03:23 AM
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At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

Banning a political party is an act of speech suppression and censorship. I would never advocate for a political party to be banned.
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6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM
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At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:05:00 AM
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At 6/24/2016 8:26:02 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Apparently, the leaders of AfG, the National Front of France, and Dutch Party for Freedom have all requested a referendum to leave the EU after the Brexit decision, as predicted.

Good. Those three parties are my favorite European parties, other than UKIP.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

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Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM
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At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution
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6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM
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At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:11:36 AM
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At 6/24/2016 6:21:26 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Recently, the British Nationalist Party saw its greatest rise in support until Nick Griffin resigned, the French Nationalist Front is becoming one of the strongest political forces in France, and the Golden Dawn of Greece are practically taking over. But what about Germany? Well, there is the NPD that has gained "some" popularity (one seat in the European Parliament to be exact), but it's extremely hurt by German government's constant attempts to ban this Nazi Party successor. With the recent migrant crisis, some of the people in Germany have decided to become the "French Nationalist Front of Germany". What's it called? The Alternative for Germany. This far-right organization has seen a great increase in popularity since its conception in 2013, already having two seats in the European Parliament and 102 seats in the State Parliaments. This organization has been called "scary" (http://www.independent.co.uk...), with one incident where their current leader, Frauke Petry, believed that German police should, "if necessary", shoot at migrants who attempt to enter the country illegally from Austria. They have also called Merkel the "worst Chancellor in history".

This organization has even been accused of going down the road of the "Germany of yesterday" by German Justice Minister Heiko Maas (http://www.dw.com...). While not officially being termed as a neo-nazi organization like the NDP, the AfG has been accused of being nationalistic, isolationist, right-wing populist, and having a "discriminatory manifesto". The party supposedly has inner-conflicts and a lack of leadership, but "double figures in the 2017 federal elections seem likely...Germany is no longer immune to the kind of right-wing populism that its European neighbors have long grown accustomed to. The question to ask is not whether the AfD is likely to stay, but what the party"s rise means for German politics." (http://www.politico.eu...).

As for actual policy, the AfG rejects Turkey's EU membership, calls for a more nationalized EU, a possibility of a single currency for Germany, remain in NATO, possibly close the borders, and "ban minarets and the call to prayer, and the full-face veil for women", stating "Islam does not belong in Germany". You can read the article for their economic (economic liberalism and social conservatism) policies (http://sputniknews.com...). The AfG classifies itself as "conservative and middle-class", catering to a well-educated demographic as more than two-thirds of its initial supporters held doctorates (http://www.nytimes.com...). Their popularity is supposedly "surging" http://www.dw.com..., winning quite a lot of ground in the State elections of this year, as well as apparently "scaring Europe" in the process (https://news.vice.com...).

So, what do you think about the Alternative for Germany? Do you think they're like Trump and the media is just out to get them? Do you agree with some of their policies? Do you think like the NPD Germany should try to ban this party? How popular do you think they're going to get in the future? Do you think this is just a "phase" and they'll die down like what happened with the BNP? Do you think this party is "dangerous" or do you think it's possibly what Germany needs? Do you think this party's popularity will rise from the UK leaving the EU? Discuss.

If leftist rhetoric wasn't so cowardly and problematic, and if multicultural idiots didn't resort to identity politics, those parties wouldn't have risen.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM
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At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.
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6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM
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At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:18:31 AM
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At 6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.

That's not in our constitution
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6/25/2016 1:20:53 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 1:18:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.

That's not in our constitution

5th Amendment "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Are you not denying that Communists are against the U.S. Constitution?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:23:23 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 1:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:18:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.

That's not in our constitution

5th Amendment "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Are you not denying that Communists are against the U.S. Constitution?

I was talking about Streitbare Demokratie
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6/25/2016 1:25:17 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 1:23:23 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:18:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.

That's not in our constitution

5th Amendment "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Are you not denying that Communists are against the U.S. Constitution?

I was talking about Streitbare Demokratie

That has nothing to do with our Constitution, and the German state is soon turning into an absolutely authoritarian state, regardless of the party that occupies it.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 1:27:28 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 1:25:17 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:23:23 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:18:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.

That's not in our constitution

5th Amendment "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Are you not denying that Communists are against the U.S. Constitution?

I was talking about Streitbare Demokratie

That has nothing to do with our Constitution, and the German state is soon turning into an absolutely authoritarian state, regardless of the party that occupies it.

1) Exactly, it has nothing to do with our constitution, it isn't in our constitution
2) Yes, because Germany is turning into a totalitarian state because of this clause that has been in the constitution since the 1950s. SMH
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6/25/2016 1:29:46 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 1:27:28 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:25:17 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:23:23 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:18:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:17:05 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:12:53 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:09:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:08:01 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 1:04:36 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:34:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:25:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, and comment if you think the NPD should be banned. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as well.

YES!!! Why it is not banned is simply absurd.

Freedom of speech maybe?

Again, read the German constitution

You've said this 3 times, and banning a political party is an idiotic idea, Constitution or not, especially when they tried to ban the party twice and it was denied.

Denied once, the second time the Government just gave up.

It was denied, and Merkel later said that she will not pursue banning the NPD, and she was smart to make that decision.

Therefore, the party should not and will bot be banned, as it's an absolute atrocity to ban political parties for such reasons. We don't ban the Communists from holding power, but they are most definitely anti-Constitution, nor do we ban the Greens that do not care for the right of property.

That's not in our constitution

5th Amendment "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Are you not denying that Communists are against the U.S. Constitution?

I was talking about Streitbare Demokratie

That has nothing to do with our Constitution, and the German state is soon turning into an absolutely authoritarian state, regardless of the party that occupies it.

1) Exactly, it has nothing to do with our constitution, it isn't in our constitution

Except I was talking about OUR Constitution

2) Yes, because Germany is turning into a totalitarian state because of this clause that has been in the constitution since the 1950s. SMH

Yes, banning an authoritarian party is an authoritarian principle in itself. It's also the fact that "totalitarianism" isn't the same as authoritarianism, although most totalitarian states are authoritarian and vice versa. You can argue that European nations are de facto totalitarian states because it's so hard for a right wing party to get elected.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.