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6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM
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Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?
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6/24/2016 4:57:36 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would mean leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Fixed
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6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.
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6/24/2016 5:03:30 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:57:36 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would mean leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Fixed

In the past year Scotland has had a referendum on leaving the UK, a UK General Election, a Scottish Parliament election and an EU referendum. I do not think there is much appetite there for another election in the near future.
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6/24/2016 5:06:49 PM
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At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

Exactly
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6/24/2016 5:16:02 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

Ironically, if this happens it will make the EU even stronger.
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6/24/2016 5:28:53 PM
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At 6/24/2016 5:16:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

Ironically, if this happens it will make the EU even stronger.

How so?
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6/24/2016 5:30:04 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

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6/24/2016 5:57:21 PM
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At 6/24/2016 5:28:53 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:16:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

Ironically, if this happens it will make the EU even stronger.

How so?

Other EU countries have their own "Scotlands". Now they'll think twice before leaving the EU.
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6/24/2016 6:01:19 PM
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At 6/24/2016 5:57:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:28:53 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:16:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

Ironically, if this happens it will make the EU even stronger.

How so?

Other EU countries have their own "Scotlands". Now they'll think twice before leaving the EU.

I'm not sure that you're right. The UK were aware that Scotland would almost certainly leave them. People that voted for the Brexit were willing to make that sacrifice.

If anything the Brexit has encouraged countries to leave the EU since both France and Norway are now demanding their own referendum's on the topic and that is two countries demanding referendums in less than 24 hours after the Brexit.

The Brexit is massively detrimental to the EU as it's now encouraging major nations such as France to hold referendums regarding their own leadership. Scotland proved nothing to anybody apart from the message that "small sacrifices are sometimes necessary to achieve the main goal" which is the principle that many countries are taking from this.
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6/24/2016 6:02:51 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:01:19 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:57:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:28:53 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:16:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

Ironically, if this happens it will make the EU even stronger.

How so?

Other EU countries have their own "Scotlands". Now they'll think twice before leaving the EU.

I'm not sure that you're right. The UK were aware that Scotland would almost certainly leave them. People that voted for the Brexit were willing to make that sacrifice.

If anything the Brexit has encouraged countries to leave the EU since both France and Norway are now demanding their own referendum's on the topic and that is two countries demanding referendums in less than 24 hours after the Brexit.

The Brexit is massively detrimental to the EU as it's now encouraging major nations such as France to hold referendums regarding their own leadership. Scotland proved nothing to anybody apart from the message that "small sacrifices are sometimes necessary to achieve the main goal" which is the principle that many countries are taking from this.

Small sacrifice?! Dude, it's fricking Scotland!
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6/24/2016 6:07:22 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:02:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Small sacrifice?! Dude, it's fricking Scotland!

Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment.

- Their oil supply is running low.
- They provide little for us in terms of trade.
- They are changing things about England with SNP candidates in the House Of Commons when issues regarding England should stay with the English MPs.
- Scotland are predicted to run out of any useful resources for us soon enough (apart from minor things that they aren't on shortages on).

The only reason that Scotland didn't leave the UK last time was because by leaving the UK they'd also be leaving the EU which would mean that they would receive NO financial support. But now that we're out of the EU Scotland can separate from the UK, join the EU and receive support from them rather than us.

The sacrifice is minor and comes with few negatives. And when considering the issue in a broader sense the loss of Scotland is minor in comparison to the positives as a result of it.
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6/24/2016 6:10:15 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:07:22 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:02:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Small sacrifice?! Dude, it's fricking Scotland!

Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment.

- Their oil supply is running low.
- They provide little for us in terms of trade.
- They are changing things about England with SNP candidates in the House Of Commons when issues regarding England should stay with the English MPs.
- Scotland are predicted to run out of any useful resources for us soon enough (apart from minor things that they aren't on shortages on).

The only reason that Scotland didn't leave the UK last time was because by leaving the UK they'd also be leaving the EU which would mean that they would receive NO financial support. But now that we're out of the EU Scotland can separate from the UK, join the EU and receive support from them rather than us.

The sacrifice is minor and comes with few negatives. And when considering the issue in a broader sense the loss of Scotland is minor in comparison to the positives as a result of it.

It's like a third of your country's land area.
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6/24/2016 6:11:40 PM
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The UK losing Scotland is like the US losing Texas.
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6/24/2016 6:15:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 6:10:15 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:07:22 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:02:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Small sacrifice?! Dude, it's fricking Scotland!

Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment.

- Their oil supply is running low.
- They provide little for us in terms of trade.
- They are changing things about England with SNP candidates in the House Of Commons when issues regarding England should stay with the English MPs.
- Scotland are predicted to run out of any useful resources for us soon enough (apart from minor things that they aren't on shortages on).

The only reason that Scotland didn't leave the UK last time was because by leaving the UK they'd also be leaving the EU which would mean that they would receive NO financial support. But now that we're out of the EU Scotland can separate from the UK, join the EU and receive support from them rather than us.

The sacrifice is minor and comes with few negatives. And when considering the issue in a broader sense the loss of Scotland is minor in comparison to the positives as a result of it.

It's like a third of your country's land area.

It's not about the land area though. It's about the benefits that it presents and so far it presents very little benefit to us and will soon become a burden once we have to increase financial and trade related sources in order to support them and deter them from bankruptcy.
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6/24/2016 6:17:19 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:15:45 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:10:15 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:07:22 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:02:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Small sacrifice?! Dude, it's fricking Scotland!

Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment.

- Their oil supply is running low.
- They provide little for us in terms of trade.
- They are changing things about England with SNP candidates in the House Of Commons when issues regarding England should stay with the English MPs.
- Scotland are predicted to run out of any useful resources for us soon enough (apart from minor things that they aren't on shortages on).

The only reason that Scotland didn't leave the UK last time was because by leaving the UK they'd also be leaving the EU which would mean that they would receive NO financial support. But now that we're out of the EU Scotland can separate from the UK, join the EU and receive support from them rather than us.

The sacrifice is minor and comes with few negatives. And when considering the issue in a broader sense the loss of Scotland is minor in comparison to the positives as a result of it.

It's like a third of your country's land area.

It's not about the land area though. It's about the benefits that it presents and so far it presents very little benefit to us and will soon become a burden once we have to increase financial and trade related sources in order to support them and deter them from bankruptcy.

I'm guessing Scotland is an economically poor region?
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6/24/2016 6:37:00 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

I think the uncertainty over brexit will make the uk government reluctant to give the SNP another referendum only two years after the previous one. Currently the SNP don't have a majority in the Scottish parliament unlike in 2014 which may be the excuse the government use in refusing to grant one.
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6/24/2016 6:42:29 PM
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At 6/24/2016 5:02:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

This is what's going to happen in the near future.

1. Scotland will leave the UK in another referendum.
2. Scotland will rejoin the EU.

These two events are what pretty much everybody know are going to happen at the moment.

I don't think the UK government will allow a referendum in the current political climate when you consider the SNP don't even have a majority in the Scottish parliament. They are not obliged to allow one so will try and avoid it and hope in time the Scots will see the benefits of brexit and nationalist fervour dies down.
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6/24/2016 7:05:23 PM
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At 6/24/2016 6:17:19 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:15:45 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:10:15 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:07:22 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 6/24/2016 6:02:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Small sacrifice?! Dude, it's fricking Scotland!

Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment.

- Their oil supply is running low.
- They provide little for us in terms of trade.
- They are changing things about England with SNP candidates in the House Of Commons when issues regarding England should stay with the English MPs.
- Scotland are predicted to run out of any useful resources for us soon enough (apart from minor things that they aren't on shortages on).

The only reason that Scotland didn't leave the UK last time was because by leaving the UK they'd also be leaving the EU which would mean that they would receive NO financial support. But now that we're out of the EU Scotland can separate from the UK, join the EU and receive support from them rather than us.

The sacrifice is minor and comes with few negatives. And when considering the issue in a broader sense the loss of Scotland is minor in comparison to the positives as a result of it.

It's like a third of your country's land area.

It's not about the land area though. It's about the benefits that it presents and so far it presents very little benefit to us and will soon become a burden once we have to increase financial and trade related sources in order to support them and deter them from bankruptcy.

I'm guessing Scotland is an economically poor region?

Not yet. It's very, very low on oil (which is what is makes the majority of it's money from). At the moment it's fine since it's receiving support from England and it's got sufficient resources to sell but those are going very fast and Scotland is predicted to run out of these major resources soon. Making the deal for Scotland to leave is a win/win scenario.
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6/24/2016 7:20:59 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Oh Certainly
SNP has nearly absolute control of Scotland, and with the increase in the number of Greens in the SP, a resolution would definitely be passed calling for a new referendum.
Given the results of this referendum, I think there will definitely be a demand for independence and so I think parliament will approve the vote to take place either later this year or early next year. It will probably take place before the next election, which will likely be soon.
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6/27/2016 11:07:55 AM
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Politically this is very bad for them to do though. The referendum was a UK wide vote and as they voted to be part of the UK they are honor bound to respect the outcome.

Whelching on the outcome breeds mistrust in their political system for other countries.
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6/27/2016 1:39:37 PM
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At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Even London wants to separate from England. Scotland should leave to stay with the EU.
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6/27/2016 2:35:18 PM
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At 6/27/2016 1:39:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Even London wants to separate from England. Scotland should leave to stay with the EU.

Citation for London wanting to searate from England?
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6/27/2016 2:39:38 PM
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Scotland was only in the EU as England was. There is no guarantee a independent Scotland would be able to meet the criteria to join or even be welcomed.

Scots voted to be part of the UK, they voted as part of the UK and need to respect the outcome. All this bad loser opportunist rhetoric is embarrassing for the Scots as it is for the remain camp and there stupid calls for another vote.

Democracy has spoken, people need to respect it. If it had gone the other way,I would respect the will of the majority because it is still a major victory for democracy.
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6/27/2016 6:31:23 PM
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At 6/27/2016 2:35:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 6/27/2016 1:39:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Even London wants to separate from England. Scotland should leave to stay with the EU.

Citation for London wanting to searate from England?

Petitioning Mayor of London Sadiq Khan
Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU.
https://www.change.org...

"One in five people in the capital believe London would be better off if it were split from England, with 19.9 per cent of the 2,001 people surveyed agreeing it would be better off as its own country."
http://www.standard.co.uk...
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6/27/2016 7:54:19 PM
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At 6/27/2016 6:31:23 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/27/2016 2:35:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 6/27/2016 1:39:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Even London wants to separate from England. Scotland should leave to stay with the EU.

Citation for London wanting to searate from England?


Petitioning Mayor of London Sadiq Khan
Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU.
https://www.change.org...

"One in five people in the capital believe London would be better off if it were split from England, with 19.9 per cent of the 2,001 people surveyed agreeing it would be better off as its own country."
http://www.standard.co.uk...

So that is 175, 000 out of a population of 9million who have signed a petition, and four fifths of the population wanting no change in the status of London. Hardly London wanting to leave England.
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6/27/2016 10:27:13 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 7:54:19 PM, desmac wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:31:23 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/27/2016 2:35:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 6/27/2016 1:39:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Even London wants to separate from England. Scotland should leave to stay with the EU.

Citation for London wanting to searate from England?


Petitioning Mayor of London Sadiq Khan
Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU.
https://www.change.org...

"One in five people in the capital believe London would be better off if it were split from England, with 19.9 per cent of the 2,001 people surveyed agreeing it would be better off as its own country."
http://www.standard.co.uk...

So that is 175, 000 out of a population of 9million who have signed a petition, and four fifths of the population wanting no change in the status of London. Hardly London wanting to leave England.

Learn to read you retard.

"One in five people in the capital believe London would be better off if it were split from England, with 19.9 per cent of the 2,001 people surveyed agreeing it would be better off as its own country."
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6/27/2016 10:40:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 10:27:13 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/27/2016 7:54:19 PM, desmac wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:31:23 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/27/2016 2:35:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 6/27/2016 1:39:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 6/24/2016 4:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Scotland voted overwhelmingly against the Brexit. Furthermore, Scotland has been politically aligned with the Labour Party since before any of us were born. IN FACT, more or less the only reason that Scotland voted down independence in 2014 was because independence would meaning leaving the EU, which the UK was a part of at the time. A lot of people are saying that a second independence referendum will be held by Scotland soon.
What do you think?

Even London wants to separate from England. Scotland should leave to stay with the EU.

Citation for London wanting to searate from England?


Petitioning Mayor of London Sadiq Khan
Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU.
https://www.change.org...

"One in five people in the capital believe London would be better off if it were split from England, with 19.9 per cent of the 2,001 people surveyed agreeing it would be better off as its own country."
http://www.standard.co.uk...

So that is 175, 000 out of a population of 9million who have signed a petition, and four fifths of the population wanting no change in the status of London. Hardly London wanting to leave England.

Learn to read you retard.

"One in five people in the capital believe London would be better off if it were split from England, with 19.9 per cent of the 2,001 people surveyed agreeing it would be better off as its own country."

Common to the popular misconception, "England" and "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" are not synonymous.
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6/27/2016 10:43:44 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
If there's strong support for secession, then a referendum should at some point be held in Scotland, but not immediately. I'd say no earlier than 2018.
The city of London should never be given the option of leaving the UK. It is now and shall forevermore be the capital of England and the UK.
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