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Sam7411
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6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM
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Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?
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6/24/2016 5:27:42 PM
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At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

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6/24/2016 7:16:35 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

It's much more a trend in Europe than it is anywhere else. Trump's rise to power can be less attributed to nationalist grumblings and far more to his masterful populist demagoguery.
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6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism
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6/24/2016 7:45:10 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 7:16:35 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

It's much more a trend in Europe than it is anywhere else. Trump's rise to power can be less attributed to nationalist grumblings and far more to his masterful populist demagoguery.

Lol conspiracy theory much?
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6/24/2016 8:42:20 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 7:45:10 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:16:35 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

It's much more a trend in Europe than it is anywhere else. Trump's rise to power can be less attributed to nationalist grumblings and far more to his masterful populist demagoguery.

Lol conspiracy theory much?

Not really, that is quite clearly his political strategy.
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6/24/2016 8:47:07 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

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6/24/2016 8:50:34 PM
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At 6/24/2016 8:42:20 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:45:10 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:16:35 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

It's much more a trend in Europe than it is anywhere else. Trump's rise to power can be less attributed to nationalist grumblings and far more to his masterful populist demagoguery.

Lol conspiracy theory much?

Not really, that is quite clearly his political strategy.

It is Trumps German heritage. Jewish Immigrants were a target then, Muslims and Mexicans are a target today.
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6/26/2016 9:40:02 PM
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At 6/24/2016 8:50:34 PM, Harikrish wrote:
It is Trumps German heritage. Jewish Immigrants were a target then, Muslims and Mexicans are a target today.

If they don't like it, they should leave... or at least stop coming here.
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6/26/2016 9:46:58 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 9:40:02 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 6/24/2016 8:50:34 PM, Harikrish wrote:
It is Trumps German heritage. Jewish Immigrants were a target then, Muslims and Mexicans are a target today.

If they don't like it, they should leave... or at least stop coming here.

Read your history. The unwelcome invaders are White Europeans. America belonged to Native Americans and Mexicans.
When Trump says Americans want their country back, he is expressing and quoting the sentiments of American Natives.
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6/26/2016 11:10:40 PM
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At 6/26/2016 9:46:58 PM, Harikrish wrote:
When Trump says Americans want their country back, he is expressing and quoting the sentiments of American Natives.

The injuns didn't have a country in the first place. Besides, if you think the European colonizers (not immigrants) were wrong for coming here (even thought they built a great nation), why don't you hold the same view against current immigrants? Or, is this just about your racism?
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6/27/2016 8:44:01 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Yes, and for the better
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6/27/2016 12:47:00 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 8:44:01 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Yes, and for the better

The rise of nationalism have almost always lead to war, where thousands of people die. We do not need this to happen.
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6/27/2016 2:18:51 PM
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At 6/27/2016 12:47:00 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
The rise of nationalism have almost always lead to war, where thousands of people die. We do not need this to happen.

Trump is anti-war, that's why the Republican #NeverTrump twits want Hillary to win.
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6/27/2016 10:17:12 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Hope so. Otherwise we become outnumbered in our own country...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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6/27/2016 10:18:28 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 12:47:00 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:44:01 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Yes, and for the better

The rise of nationalism have almost always lead to war, where thousands of people die. We do not need this to happen.

Including the Revelutionary War, the Civil War, and WWII, all of which nationalism saved our as*
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/28/2016 12:30:36 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 10:18:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/27/2016 12:47:00 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:44:01 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Yes, and for the better

The rise of nationalism have almost always lead to war, where thousands of people die. We do not need this to happen.

Including the Revelutionary War, the Civil War, and WWII, all of which nationalism saved our as*

I don't think you know what nationalism means, but then again you are brontoraptor, so I 'm not suprised.
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6/28/2016 1:10:22 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

What is wrong with Nationalism? Is this not a positive thing?
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6/28/2016 1:16:15 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism

Nice job putting the Sweden Democrats in the ame league as the NPD or Golden Dawn. Mind if I put the Green Party and the Soviet Communist Party in the same category?
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6/28/2016 1:27:31 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/28/2016 1:16:15 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism

Nice job putting the Sweden Democrats in the ame league as the NPD or Golden Dawn. Mind if I put the Green Party and the Soviet Communist Party in the same category?

They are both examples of right wing nationalist parties that are on the rise in Europe, in that way they are similar.
As to the Green Party to the Soviet Communsit party analogy, that analogy is a very large stretch as the Green Party can refer to one of many parties across Europe and the world, while the Soviet Communist party no longer exists. If you were to put the Communist party of France in the same category as english greens in terms of left wing parties which are also on the rise, Imwould say that is fair.
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6/28/2016 1:32:46 AM
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At 6/28/2016 1:27:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:16:15 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism

Nice job putting the Sweden Democrats in the ame league as the NPD or Golden Dawn. Mind if I put the Green Party and the Soviet Communist Party in the same category?

They are both examples of right wing nationalist parties that are on the rise in Europe, in that way they are similar.
As to the Green Party to the Soviet Communsit party analogy, that analogy is a very large stretch as the Green Party can refer to one of many parties across Europe and the world, while the Soviet Communist party no longer exists. If you were to put the Communist party of France in the same category as english greens in terms of left wing parties which are also on the rise, Imwould say that is fair.

Fair enough, but realize calling all of the parties you listed "anti-immigrant" or "islamophobic" is an over generalization. Supporting closing the borders to future refugees and reforming the immigration policy, is NOT "anti-immigrant." Anti-immigration would mean they would be opposed to nearly all immigration.
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6/28/2016 1:38:46 AM
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At 6/28/2016 1:32:46 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:27:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:16:15 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism

Nice job putting the Sweden Democrats in the ame league as the NPD or Golden Dawn. Mind if I put the Green Party and the Soviet Communist Party in the same category?

They are both examples of right wing nationalist parties that are on the rise in Europe, in that way they are similar.
As to the Green Party to the Soviet Communsit party analogy, that analogy is a very large stretch as the Green Party can refer to one of many parties across Europe and the world, while the Soviet Communist party no longer exists. If you were to put the Communist party of France in the same category as english greens in terms of left wing parties which are also on the rise, Imwould say that is fair.

Fair enough, but realize calling all of the parties you listed "anti-immigrant" or "islamophobic" is an over generalization. Supporting closing the borders to future refugees and reforming the immigration policy, is NOT "anti-immigrant." Anti-immigration would mean they would be opposed to nearly all immigration.

It is meant to be generic, as these parties all have these common threads, but they have varying degrees of them, some are more extreme than others, let's just say that parties like the Sweden Democrats represent the "moderate" far-right, while Golden Dawn would be the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right.
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6/28/2016 6:54:14 AM
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At 6/28/2016 1:38:46 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:32:46 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:27:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:16:15 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism

Nice job putting the Sweden Democrats in the ame league as the NPD or Golden Dawn. Mind if I put the Green Party and the Soviet Communist Party in the same category?

They are both examples of right wing nationalist parties that are on the rise in Europe, in that way they are similar.
As to the Green Party to the Soviet Communsit party analogy, that analogy is a very large stretch as the Green Party can refer to one of many parties across Europe and the world, while the Soviet Communist party no longer exists. If you were to put the Communist party of France in the same category as english greens in terms of left wing parties which are also on the rise, Imwould say that is fair.

Fair enough, but realize calling all of the parties you listed "anti-immigrant" or "islamophobic" is an over generalization. Supporting closing the borders to future refugees and reforming the immigration policy, is NOT "anti-immigrant." Anti-immigration would mean they would be opposed to nearly all immigration.

It is meant to be generic, as these parties all have these common threads, but they have varying degrees of them, some are more extreme than others, let's just say that parties like the Sweden Democrats represent the "moderate" far-right, while Golden Dawn would be the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right.

The Sweden Democrats are more center right; it is considered far-right because of how left wing Sweden has become.
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6/28/2016 8:26:45 AM
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At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

I think it's not nationalism but nativism. The symptoms are similar, but nativism is mostly driven by threats to one's own interests while nationalism is usually motivated by a basket of factors including desire for vengeance, love of one's cultural heritage, etc.
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6/28/2016 9:55:07 AM
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At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Trump in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

No, this is not a trend. Trend is defined as "a general direction in which something is developing or changing.". In the U.K. If it slowly moved upward over multiple votes, this would be a trend. However, in the Brexit vote, it was noted that they had the highest voter turnout ever at 70% of the voting population.

Turning to Trump, he has motivated millions of people who never vote, to come vote for him. Again, there is no trend to report with the regular voters, we have simply added more voters to the pool.

Now the other nations currently milling over possibly holding a vote to leave the EU are again not a trend. From what I see, I think the U.K. having a successful leave vote along with the massive turn out and national pride being displayed...I think it got all these other nations awake and moving around. Kinda like being in a group and waiting for somebody to be the brave first one to do something new and fear inducing. After the first person goes and completes the task safely, the flood gates open.

Again, this does not appear to be a trend as there was no continual movement in a direction. Instead, I think the other nations were cowering and hiding, not trying to make waves, then started coming out after the U.K. broke the ice...and successfully.
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6/28/2016 12:18:08 PM
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OH! and BTW....congrats citizens of the U.K., for showing bravery and standing up, leaving the lemming line by voting, officially announcing to the world the first and hardest step is completed. You have proudly declared to your politicians and to the EU, your independence.

Soak in that feeling. That is a small taste of what was felt on July 8, 1776 around the State House Yard in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. At that location, on that date, the citizens of Philadelphia were summoned and became the luckiest group in the history of America; They listened as noon struck on the clock, then Colonel John Nixon stood in front of the people, and proudly read from a parchment.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

The public began to realize, they were the first people, the first citizens of the United States of America, to hear our Declaration of Independence read in public. We were no longer citizens of 13 individual colonies, under the rule and flag of the British Crown. At that point in time, they realized we were our own nation, with our future resting squarely in our hands.

For the rest of the day and night, the city bells rang loud and proud creating the city's celebratory baseline , the ale flowed free, the songs of celebration were yelled out at the top of everyone's lungs; on July 8, 1776, the buildings were rocking and ground was shaking, the city itself was singing so loudly to the world, knowing that somehow the laws of physics took the night off so that beautiful song could reach all the way to the ears of George III, not letting him sleep a wink.

I was born and raised in the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania area; about a half hour away. I've stood on the spot where that document was read. I've touched the State House, which was aptly renamed Independence Hall, I have walked it's rooms where the Declaration of Independence was signed and the Constitution was debated. I stood in the room where some of America's bravest men stood. I remember concentrating so hard in that room during a middle school field trip, I could see Benjamin Franklin pacing, John Hancock writing his famous signature, John and Samuel Adams glancing at each other as they sat listening; I could almost hear George Washington's voice as he spoke from his rising sun chair.

I've spent so much time driving to Boston to the site of the Boston Tea Party, spending
entire days walking the open fields of Valley Forge where Washington and his Continental Army camped through winter with almost no food, no medical care, no way to hide from the unrelenting freezing cold and snow, where Washington waited every day for 4 months for his men to disband due to severe malnutrition and freezing cold. But most of those 12,000 men had so much American pride, so much patriotism, so much drive, trusted George Washington with their lives; In my mind, visiting these fields so often, this is the place where that "I'm better than everybody else", exceptionalism, American attitude that other nations hate was born. The birthplace of that American heart, patriotic pride, unstoppable drive, the ever-burning belly fire, the cockiness, and the ability to keep getting back up to your feet no matter how hurt you are - blinking and as your eyes open you're on your feet ready to fight again with no memory of how you got there. Those 12,000 men spent 4 months in freezing cold literally eating chunks of fat infested with flies and maggots and a handful of flour on a good day. All the pain and suffering they pushed through...yeah...it was born there.

Sorry Brits but after that winter broke...that's when battered groups of American farmers with their newly received financial backing from France started spanking that hiny up and down the east coast til it matched the color of your uniforms.

OK, I've rambled on enough here. I just want you guys in the U.K. to understand how a prideful, unstoppable, red blooded, true American feels about our independence and all the indescribable feelings and deep pride we have just thinking about that little piece of paper and what it still means to us today...we patriots...decedents of the men that stopped their lives, risked life and limb, and gave every ounce of everything they had to lay the foundation for this great nation. I hope you guys feel something close to that for your accomplishment here.
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6/28/2016 2:15:20 PM
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At 6/26/2016 11:10:40 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 6/26/2016 9:46:58 PM, Harikrish wrote:
When Trump says Americans want their country back, he is expressing and quoting the sentiments of American Natives.

The injuns didn't have a country in the first place. Besides, if you think the European colonizers (not immigrants) were wrong for coming here (even thought they built a great nation), why don't you hold the same view against current immigrants? Or, is this just about your racism?

If the Brits didn't try to colonize the world and the Americans stayed out of the Middle East instead of destabilizing it, the world would have followed their natural course of peace and prosperity. If BREXIT was the model followed by UK centuries ago. It would have save the world a history of white European adventurism and British expansionist.
It is too late for white Europeans to retreat and hide behind nationalism. The world will extract their pound of flesh.
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6/28/2016 4:18:34 PM
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At 6/28/2016 6:54:14 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:38:46 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:32:46 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:27:31 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:16:15 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/24/2016 7:35:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/24/2016 5:10:34 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Drumpf in the United States, Brexit in the United Kingdom, and now other nationalist groups across the EU considering a referendum

Is this a trend?

Oh certainly, its not just the UK and the US, you also have Le Pen in France, the Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Golden Dawn in Greece, Lega Nord (and Noi con Salvini) in Italy, FPO in Austria, AfD and NPD in Germany, PVV in the Netherlands, etc. etc. These parties all share a few key ideological threads
-Anti-Immigrant Nativism
-Islamophobia
-Hard Euroscepticism

Nice job putting the Sweden Democrats in the ame league as the NPD or Golden Dawn. Mind if I put the Green Party and the Soviet Communist Party in the same category?

They are both examples of right wing nationalist parties that are on the rise in Europe, in that way they are similar.
As to the Green Party to the Soviet Communsit party analogy, that analogy is a very large stretch as the Green Party can refer to one of many parties across Europe and the world, while the Soviet Communist party no longer exists. If you were to put the Communist party of France in the same category as english greens in terms of left wing parties which are also on the rise, Imwould say that is fair.

Fair enough, but realize calling all of the parties you listed "anti-immigrant" or "islamophobic" is an over generalization. Supporting closing the borders to future refugees and reforming the immigration policy, is NOT "anti-immigrant." Anti-immigration would mean they would be opposed to nearly all immigration.

It is meant to be generic, as these parties all have these common threads, but they have varying degrees of them, some are more extreme than others, let's just say that parties like the Sweden Democrats represent the "moderate" far-right, while Golden Dawn would be the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right.

The Sweden Democrats are more center right; it is considered far-right because of how left wing Sweden has become.

They are self described Nationalists and Social Conservatives and they have aligned themselves with Le Penn and others on the Far-Right. I would say they are at least solidly right wing, not in any way "cente-right", but that is really semantics and pretty pointless anyway. I don't like them, you do, big whoop, what's for lunch?