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PetersSmith
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6/25/2016 5:11:24 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
For those of you who are unaware, Tsai Ing-wen was recently elected as the President of the Republic of China, also known as Taiwan. Her party affiliation is the Democratic Progressive Party, replacing the Kuomintang as party incumbent. The party has generally accepted the status quo (traditionally pro-independence), but Ms. Ing-wen's position on the issue has changed. Some believed she was elected because the ROC people have become wary of the People's Republic of China trying to assert more and more control over Taiwan. The One-China policy argues that "there is only one state called China, despite the existence of two governments that claim to be "China"". The PRC has pledged to invade Taiwan if they believe that peaceful annexation is no longer possible. Today, the People's Republic of China cut off communications with Taiwan after the new government refused to acknowledge the One China policy.

"Tsai, who heads the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party, says she wants to maintain the status quo with China and is committed to ensuring peace...China, which regards Taiwan as wayward province, is deeply suspicious of Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen, who took office last month, as they suspect she will push for formal independence." "Because the Taiwan side has not acknowledged the 1992 consensus, this joint political basis for showing the one China principle, the cross Taiwan Strait contact and communication mechanism has already stopped," spokesman An Fengshan said (http://www.reuters.com...).

"While Tsai has said she wants to maintain peaceful relations with China, she has not backed the consensus or the "one China" concept. Her presidential victory tapped into voter fears that Beijing was eroding Taiwan's sovereignty through closer ties, and that trade agreements with China were being made secretly, benefiting big business, rather than ordinary residents...Tensions have been exacerbated by recent deportations of Taiwanese fraud suspects from Kenya, Malaysia and Cambodia to Beijing, rather than back to Taiwan. Taipei accuses Beijing of "abducting" its citizens from countries that do not recognise the island's government. The latest round of deportations Friday, which saw 25 fraud suspects deported from Cambodia - a close ally of Beijing - triggered an angry response from Taiwan." (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

Few nations have formal relations with Taiwan, mainly because they don't want to provoke the ire of the PRC, but the US has pledged to defend Taiwan if it is ever attacked. So, what do you DDOer's think about this issue? Do you support independence for Taiwan, do you support the status quo, or are you against the independence of Taiwan and pro full integration by the PRC? Do you think cross-strait relations are only going to further deteriorate or do you think this issue is going to be resolved via status quo? Do you think Tsai Ing-wen and her party are going to push for independence? If so, do you think the PRC will retaliate with military intervention? Would the US keep their end of the bargain and protect Taiwan? Who is the true China? Discuss.
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6/25/2016 7:07:20 PM
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At 6/25/2016 5:11:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, Tsai Ing-wen was recently elected as the President of the Republic of China, also known as Taiwan. Her party affiliation is the Democratic Progressive Party, replacing the Kuomintang as party incumbent. The party has generally accepted the status quo (traditionally pro-independence), but Ms. Ing-wen's position on the issue has changed. Some believed she was elected because the ROC people have become wary of the People's Republic of China trying to assert more and more control over Taiwan. The One-China policy argues that "there is only one state called China, despite the existence of two governments that claim to be "China"". The PRC has pledged to invade Taiwan if they believe that peaceful annexation is no longer possible. Today, the People's Republic of China cut off communications with Taiwan after the new government refused to acknowledge the One China policy.

"Tsai, who heads the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party, says she wants to maintain the status quo with China and is committed to ensuring peace...China, which regards Taiwan as wayward province, is deeply suspicious of Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen, who took office last month, as they suspect she will push for formal independence." "Because the Taiwan side has not acknowledged the 1992 consensus, this joint political basis for showing the one China principle, the cross Taiwan Strait contact and communication mechanism has already stopped," spokesman An Fengshan said (http://www.reuters.com...).

"While Tsai has said she wants to maintain peaceful relations with China, she has not backed the consensus or the "one China" concept. Her presidential victory tapped into voter fears that Beijing was eroding Taiwan's sovereignty through closer ties, and that trade agreements with China were being made secretly, benefiting big business, rather than ordinary residents...Tensions have been exacerbated by recent deportations of Taiwanese fraud suspects from Kenya, Malaysia and Cambodia to Beijing, rather than back to Taiwan. Taipei accuses Beijing of "abducting" its citizens from countries that do not recognise the island's government. The latest round of deportations Friday, which saw 25 fraud suspects deported from Cambodia - a close ally of Beijing - triggered an angry response from Taiwan." (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

Few nations have formal relations with Taiwan, mainly because they don't want to provoke the ire of the PRC, but the US has pledged to defend Taiwan if it is ever attacked. So, what do you DDOer's think about this issue? Do you support independence for Taiwan, do you support the status quo, or are you against the independence of Taiwan and pro full integration by the PRC? Do you think cross-strait relations are only going to further deteriorate or do you think this issue is going to be resolved via status quo? Do you think Tsai Ing-wen and her party are going to push for independence? If so, do you think the PRC will retaliate with military intervention? Would the US keep their end of the bargain and protect Taiwan? Who is the true China? Discuss.

Do you actually care about the numerous topics you post?

This site is for people who are *passionate* about topics to discuss them, but you keep making the most random threads and then rarely even partake in them yourself. You ask the opinions of others, ask that we discuss these things, but as I scroll through them you, the OP, are generally absent from all developing dialogue.

I'm all for your efforts at sparking discussion here, I think it's great, but they are more impactful if started by people who are genuinely invested in the topics. If anything, try to snap out of that "polling" mentality where you present the issue and then sit back and watch the results, rather - start partaking in these discussions too, because your opinion is just as valuable as the next.

If anything, how about we start this thread off with you, the OP, actually giving your own opinion on the matter for once:

Do you support independence for Taiwan, do you support the status quo, or are you against the independence of Taiwan and pro full integration by the PRC? Do you think cross-strait relations are only going to further deteriorate or do you think this issue is going to be resolved via status quo? Do you think Tsai Ing-wen and her party are going to push for independence? If so, do you think the PRC will retaliate with military intervention? Would the US keep their end of the bargain and protect Taiwan?
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6/27/2016 2:33:29 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
No one cares about this? Seriously?
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6/27/2016 6:16:41 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 2:33:29 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
No one cares about this? Seriously?

Apparently you don't either since you refused to answer your own questions. If you want to present information and get responses but not give your own opinion - do so in the polls section. If you actually wish to discuss topics you are passionate about in a manner where dialogue takes place, then do so in the forums section. It's a simple formula to follow and the reason we have differing sections like polls and forums in the first place. It's all about the method of introducing and processing information in a social setting. You are stuck in a polling mentality where you present information and demand responses, without giving your own opinion, and I'd like to see you break that habit if you're going to continue these efforts in the forums section.

Why? Because creating irrelevant topics that you yourself apparently have no interest in is pointless. Sure others may gain something from it, but the whole point of forums is for interaction between the presenter and consumer of whatever information is being presented. You rarely partake in these various threads of yours, which can be seen by a simple review of the recent topics you've created of late. So, if you don't, then why should we?

It's the lack of genuine attachment... just go back to polling or change your approach in these matters and start partaking in the threads you create and desire others to discuss in. A good first step, as I've stated twice now, would be to answer your own questions - show us that you actually even care about this stuff you are asking us to discuss.
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6/27/2016 7:36:08 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:07:20 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 6/25/2016 5:11:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, Tsai Ing-wen was recently elected as the President of the Republic of China, also known as Taiwan. Her party affiliation is the Democratic Progressive Party, replacing the Kuomintang as party incumbent. The party has generally accepted the status quo (traditionally pro-independence), but Ms. Ing-wen's position on the issue has changed. Some believed she was elected because the ROC people have become wary of the People's Republic of China trying to assert more and more control over Taiwan. The One-China policy argues that "there is only one state called China, despite the existence of two governments that claim to be "China"". The PRC has pledged to invade Taiwan if they believe that peaceful annexation is no longer possible. Today, the People's Republic of China cut off communications with Taiwan after the new government refused to acknowledge the One China policy.

"Tsai, who heads the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party, says she wants to maintain the status quo with China and is committed to ensuring peace...China, which regards Taiwan as wayward province, is deeply suspicious of Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen, who took office last month, as they suspect she will push for formal independence." "Because the Taiwan side has not acknowledged the 1992 consensus, this joint political basis for showing the one China principle, the cross Taiwan Strait contact and communication mechanism has already stopped," spokesman An Fengshan said (http://www.reuters.com...).

"While Tsai has said she wants to maintain peaceful relations with China, she has not backed the consensus or the "one China" concept. Her presidential victory tapped into voter fears that Beijing was eroding Taiwan's sovereignty through closer ties, and that trade agreements with China were being made secretly, benefiting big business, rather than ordinary residents...Tensions have been exacerbated by recent deportations of Taiwanese fraud suspects from Kenya, Malaysia and Cambodia to Beijing, rather than back to Taiwan. Taipei accuses Beijing of "abducting" its citizens from countries that do not recognise the island's government. The latest round of deportations Friday, which saw 25 fraud suspects deported from Cambodia - a close ally of Beijing - triggered an angry response from Taiwan." (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

Few nations have formal relations with Taiwan, mainly because they don't want to provoke the ire of the PRC, but the US has pledged to defend Taiwan if it is ever attacked. So, what do you DDOer's think about this issue? Do you support independence for Taiwan, do you support the status quo, or are you against the independence of Taiwan and pro full integration by the PRC? Do you think cross-strait relations are only going to further deteriorate or do you think this issue is going to be resolved via status quo? Do you think Tsai Ing-wen and her party are going to push for independence? If so, do you think the PRC will retaliate with military intervention? Would the US keep their end of the bargain and protect Taiwan? Who is the true China? Discuss.

Do you actually care about the numerous topics you post?

This site is for people who are *passionate* about topics to discuss them, but you keep making the most random threads and then rarely even partake in them yourself. You ask the opinions of others, ask that we discuss these things, but as I scroll through them you, the OP, are generally absent from all developing dialogue.

I'm all for your efforts at sparking discussion here, I think it's great, but they are more impactful if started by people who are genuinely invested in the topics. If anything, try to snap out of that "polling" mentality where you present the issue and then sit back and watch the results, rather - start partaking in these discussions too, because your opinion is just as valuable as the next.

If anything, how about we start this thread off with you, the OP, actually giving your own opinion on the matter for once:

Do you support independence for Taiwan, do you support the status quo, or are you against the independence of Taiwan and pro full integration by the PRC? Do you think cross-strait relations are only going to further deteriorate or do you think this issue is going to be resolved via status quo? Do you think Tsai Ing-wen and her party are going to push for independence? If so, do you think the PRC will retaliate with military intervention? Would the US keep their end of the bargain and protect Taiwan?
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7/22/2016 7:19:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen rejects a supposed deadline set by Chinese President Xi Jinping for accepting the 1992 Consensus, saying such a deadline is against the will of the people.
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