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YYW
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6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.
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6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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6/25/2016 7:22:30 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

You are not an idiot. You are naive. Look at Europe with your eyes open.
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6/25/2016 8:04:34 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Triumph of Idiocy on the Left?

To be fair, there's plenty of idiocy on the Right.

The belief that there were WMDs in Iraq
#NeverTrump (i.e. always Hillary)
etc.
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6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe
"Change your sig."
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6/25/2016 8:15:10 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:40:31 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Goodness gracious you've become the new brontoraptor.
: At 7/2/2016 3:05:07 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
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: space contradicts logic
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6/25/2016 8:52:28 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 8:51:45 PM, Cryo wrote:
Dude, we get it. You think everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.

What was your previous username? I think I know it...
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6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 9:19:51 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

He doesn't have to tell you. The problems in Europe is telling enough.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 9:20:27 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:40:31 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Goodness gracious you've become the new brontoraptor.

Not exactly.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 9:21:07 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe

Xenophobia is not what you think it means.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/25/2016 9:24:40 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 9:21:07 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe

Xenophobia is not what you think it means.

An irrational fear or hatred of foreigners/immigrants. That seems to be quite strongly expressed in this OP.
"Change your sig."
~YYW
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6/25/2016 9:26:23 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 9:24:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:21:07 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe

Xenophobia is not what you think it means.

An irrational fear or hatred of foreigners/immigrants. That seems to be quite strongly expressed in this OP.

Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Only the problem is that this disdain towards Muslim and North African immigrants is not an irrational fear.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/26/2016 12:33:24 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 8:04:34 PM, Rukado wrote:
Triumph of Idiocy on the Left?

To be fair, there's plenty of idiocy on the Right.

The belief that there were WMDs in Iraq
#NeverTrump (i.e. always Hillary)
etc.

Never Trump can also mean their voting for Gary Johnson
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6/26/2016 12:33:34 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe

+1
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6/26/2016 12:33:46 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 7:40:31 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Goodness gracious you've become the new brontoraptor.

+1
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6/26/2016 1:25:20 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.
11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

1. Any religion can be used as justification for violence. Look at the inquisition, look at the 969 Movement in Myanmar, the Jewish Defense League. Religion can also be used as justification for very good things, like feeding the hungry, providing education to children who cannot afford it, etc. Most major religions, however, are not, in my view, expressly violent. Cults are a different story (Aum Shinrikyo for example)
2. Religion can be used to justify intolerance, and has been used as such throughout history. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church.
3. Muslims are an extremely diverse group of people, there are good Muslims and bad Muslims. The kindest person I have ever met is a Muslim, and everyone she knows is, in my opinion, a better person just for knowing her. There are bad people who are Muslims also, like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi. No group, especially a group as large as Muslims, can be judged as a whole.
4. I do not believe there are civilized or savage cultures, only different cultures. Labels like this are a way of dehumanizing those who are different. There are savage and barbaric actions, but these actions are not confined to any culture.
5. I believe that religion plays both a positive and negative role in the modern world. There is no rose without a thorn.
6. I have yet to see any reason to believe that something as broad a "Muslim immigration" is a completely bad thing. There are benefits and harms from all immigration.
7. Seeing as we are still learning all of the facts, and given the perpetrator had a long history of violent behavior, and is believed to have been struggling with his own sexual identity, there are likely additional or alternative motives for the massacre. Blaming it all on Islam would imply that the Quran says "go into a gay bar and shoot everyone in sight."
8. The Quran does not approve of homosexuality, but individual Muslims are not all homophobes, as evidenced by the fact that there are hundreds of gay Muslims in the world. The bible does not speak in favour of homosexuality either, but all Christians are not homophobes.
9. Sociologists generally believe that anyone can assimilate to another culture if they are willing to. I do not think that assimilation should be a requirement because that is flat out racism. It should also be noted that the same thing was said about the Irish immigrants to the US in the 1840s.
10. Social Justice: justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society.
Given this definition, discrimination of anyone or any group is off the table.
11. The modern western world has agreed that discrimination and prejudice are wrong, and thus profiling based on race, religion or ethnicity is against modern western values.
12. I personally don't like the term "radical," as radical usually implies a belief in systemic change, thus a radical Muslim would be someone who wanted to change the nature of Islam. Islamic Extremism, literalism or fundamentalism are much better options, but even better and more accurate are political terms such as Islamism, Salafism, and Jihadism, seeing as terrorism is by nature political.
13. There are many very smart people who think Brexit is a bad idea, Yanis Varoufakis, Brian May, Joseph Stiglitz, and even Stephen Hawking. Both sides have legitimate arguments and facts to back up their cases.
14. No argument on that one. It's high time to send that elitist pig fvcker packing.
15. Some of them are, and some of them aren't.
16. Please tell me who the "corporate international left" are. As a committed leftist, I can say fairly confidently that the left is fairly anti-corporate and some of us are flat out anti-capitalists or post-capitalists. And seeing as corporations tend to oppose the policies we seek to implement, why would we be aligned with them?
17. If you believe this one you are an idiot.
18. I believe that we have a duty to help those in need and welcome refugees no matter where they are from. I believe that everyone is entitled to basic human dignity. As for the "civilized world" part, I would ask that you go back and read my response to point 4.
19. Again, I don't believe that any major religion can be blamed for the violence as any religion can be used to justify violence.
20. Seeing as Reza Aslan has multiple degrees in theological studies and sociology and is a distinguished academic and writer who serves on the board of several foreign policy think tanks, anti-militarist and human rights organizations, as well as the American Academy of Religion, and is president of the World Conference of Religions for Peace, an organization that brings scholars and religious leaders together to promote nonviolence and diplomacy, I think his credentials speaks for itself in establishing his credibility.
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6/26/2016 1:26:10 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.

To be fair, Sam Harris is a jacka$$
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6/26/2016 1:28:38 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 1:26:10 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.

To be fair, Sam Harris is a jacka$$

Intellectual dishonesty =/= being a bad person.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/26/2016 1:29:09 AM
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At 6/25/2016 9:26:23 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:24:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:21:07 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe

Xenophobia is not what you think it means.

An irrational fear or hatred of foreigners/immigrants. That seems to be quite strongly expressed in this OP.

Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Isn't that just shortened version of what Uther said?


Only the problem is that this disdain towards Muslim and North African immigrants is not an irrational fear.

Actually, it really is, because you fear and/or dislike them based on where they come from, and their religion without knowing anything else about them.
Also, notice you said intense OR irrational. Irrational is not a prerequisite.
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6/26/2016 1:30:22 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 1:28:38 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:26:10 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.

To be fair, Sam Harris is a jacka$$

Intellectual dishonesty =/= being a bad person.

I was just saying in General. I would say he is in the ballpark of Sean Penn.
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6/26/2016 1:35:44 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 1:25:20 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.
11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

1. Any religion can be used as justification for violence. Look at the inquisition, look at the 969 Movement in Myanmar, the Jewish Defense League. Religion can also be used as justification for very good things, like feeding the hungry, providing education to children who cannot afford it, etc. Most major religions, however, are not, in my view, expressly violent. Cults are a different story (Aum Shinrikyo for example)
2. Religion can be used to justify intolerance, and has been used as such throughout history. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church.
3. Muslims are an extremely diverse group of people, there are good Muslims and bad Muslims. The kindest person I have ever met is a Muslim, and everyone she knows is, in my opinion, a better person just for knowing her. There are bad people who are Muslims also, like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi. No group, especially a group as large as Muslims, can be judged as a whole.
4. I do not believe there are civilized or savage cultures, only different cultures. Labels like this are a way of dehumanizing those who are different. There are savage and barbaric actions, but these actions are not confined to any culture.
5. I believe that religion plays both a positive and negative role in the modern world. There is no rose without a thorn.
6. I have yet to see any reason to believe that something as broad a "Muslim immigration" is a completely bad thing. There are benefits and harms from all immigration.
7. Seeing as we are still learning all of the facts, and given the perpetrator had a long history of violent behavior, and is believed to have been struggling with his own sexual identity, there are likely additional or alternative motives for the massacre. Blaming it all on Islam would imply that the Quran says "go into a gay bar and shoot everyone in sight."
8. The Quran does not approve of homosexuality, but individual Muslims are not all homophobes, as evidenced by the fact that there are hundreds of gay Muslims in the world. The bible does not speak in favour of homosexuality either, but all Christians are not homophobes.
9. Sociologists generally believe that anyone can assimilate to another culture if they are willing to. I do not think that assimilation should be a requirement because that is flat out racism. It should also be noted that the same thing was said about the Irish immigrants to the US in the 1840s.
10. Social Justice: justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society.
Given this definition, discrimination of anyone or any group is off the table.
11. The modern western world has agreed that discrimination and prejudice are wrong, and thus profiling based on race, religion or ethnicity is against modern western values.
12. I personally don't like the term "radical," as radical usually implies a belief in systemic change, thus a radical Muslim would be someone who wanted to change the nature of Islam. Islamic Extremism, literalism or fundamentalism are much better options, but even better and more accurate are political terms such as Islamism, Salafism, and Jihadism, seeing as terrorism is by nature political.
13. There are many very smart people who think Brexit is a bad idea, Yanis Varoufakis, Brian May, Joseph Stiglitz, and even Stephen Hawking. Both sides have legitimate arguments and facts to back up their cases.
14. No argument on that one. It's high time to send that elitist pig fvcker packing.
15. Some of them are, and some of them aren't.
16. Please tell me who the "corporate international left" are. As a committed leftist, I can say fairly confidently that the left is fairly anti-corporate and some of us are flat out anti-capitalists or post-capitalists. And seeing as corporations tend to oppose the policies we seek to implement, why would we be aligned with them?
17. If you believe this one you are an idiot.
18. I believe that we have a duty to help those in need and welcome refugees no matter where they are from. I believe that everyone is entitled to basic human dignity. As for the "civilized world" part, I would ask that you go back and read my response to point 4.
19. Again, I don't believe that any major religion can be blamed for the violence as any religion can be used to justify violence.
20. Seeing as Reza Aslan has multiple degrees in theological studies and sociology and is a distinguished academic and writer who serves on the board of several foreign policy think tanks, anti-militarist and human rights organizations, as well as the American Academy of Religion, and is president of the World Conference of Religions for Peace, an organization that brings scholars and religious leaders together to promote nonviolence and diplomacy, I think his credentials speaks for itself in establishing his credibility.

Garbage.
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6/26/2016 1:37:08 AM
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At 6/26/2016 1:30:22 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:28:38 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:26:10 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.

To be fair, Sam Harris is a jacka$$

Intellectual dishonesty =/= being a bad person.

I was just saying in General. I would say he is in the ballpark of Sean Penn.

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6/26/2016 1:39:59 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 1:29:09 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:26:23 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:24:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:21:07 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 8:14:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/25/2016 7:15:52 PM, Bob13 wrote:
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.

I believe this. Now tell me why I'm an idiot.

By "idiot" he actually means not a toxic xenophobe

Xenophobia is not what you think it means.

An irrational fear or hatred of foreigners/immigrants. That seems to be quite strongly expressed in this OP.

Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Isn't that just shortened version of what Uther said?


Only the problem is that this disdain towards Muslim and North African immigrants is not an irrational fear.

Actually, it really is, because you fear and/or dislike them based on where they come from, and their religion without knowing anything else about them.
Also, notice you said intense OR irrational. Irrational is not a prerequisite.

It's not an irrational hatred in the least. In fact, the opposite is irrational. Intensive hatred doesn't justify calling it xenophobia as the term is too negatively connotative to equate to intensive hatred, as people may very rational intensive hatred.
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6/26/2016 1:48:50 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 1:37:08 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:30:22 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:28:38 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:26:10 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.

To be fair, Sam Harris is a jacka$$

Intellectual dishonesty =/= being a bad person.

I was just saying in General. I would say he is in the ballpark of Sean Penn.

You should join so that you can be educated by me regarding your many areas of confusion.

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I grew up with three olders sisters who always treated me like I was inferrior and they had to teach me everything, and yet THAT is the single most patronizing thing I have EVER heard in my life
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6/26/2016 1:50:28 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/26/2016 1:48:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:37:08 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:30:22 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:28:38 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/26/2016 1:26:10 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 9:19:28 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/25/2016 6:52:45 PM, YYW wrote:
If you believe any one of these things, then you are an idiot:

1. Islam is a religion of peace.
2. Islam is a tolerant religion.
3. Muslims are tolerant people, as a whole.
4. The Middle East is a civilized region of the world.
5. Islam's existence benefits the modern world.
6. Muslim immigration has not harmed the United Kingdom or the United States.
7. There are explanations for the shooting in Orlando other than Islam.
8. Islam tolerates homosexuality.
9. Muslim immigrants in Europe can be assimilated.
10. Social justice requires tolerance and acceptance of Islamic culture.

11. The west should not profile Muslims.
12. We make ourselves weaker by using language like "radical islam."
13. Brexit was a bad decision.
14. David Cameron is a reasonable person.
15. People who supported Brexit are racists and xenophobes.
16. Racism and xenophobia are the driving factors behind disagreeing with the corporate-international left.
17. Working people are generally racists.
18. We should welcome Muslim immigrants from Africa or the Middle East into the civilized (read: western) world.
19. Christianity causes as much violence in the world as Islam.
20. Resa Aslan is an honest person.

Reza Aslan is a dweed. I remember learning about him in class only to do more research and find out how much of an intellectually dishonest liar he is. Sam Harris objectively destroyed him in a debate.

To be fair, Sam Harris is a jacka$$

Intellectual dishonesty =/= being a bad person.

I was just saying in General. I would say he is in the ballpark of Sean Penn.

You should join so that you can be educated by me regarding your many areas of confusion.

https://hangouts.google.com...

I grew up with three olders sisters who always treated me like I was inferrior and they had to teach me everything, and yet THAT is the single most patronizing thing I have EVER heard in my life

Looks like you were cucked. If they did that to me I would've given them that alpha male treatment.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.