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6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?
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6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.
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6/27/2016 7:37:40 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

When they have a snap later in the year, if SNP has 50% or more of the vote, they'll inevitably leave the UK.
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6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.
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6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.
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6/27/2016 9:00:07 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.

That, and every other cancerous statement you spew out.
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6/27/2016 9:01:04 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 9:00:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.

That, and every other cancerous statement you spew out.

Oh well. At least I don't spam racist content or something.
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6/27/2016 9:02:08 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 9:01:04 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 9:00:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.

That, and every other cancerous statement you spew out.

Oh well. At least I don't spam racist content or something.

Are you implying that I spam racist content?
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6/27/2016 9:03:17 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 9:02:08 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 9:01:04 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 9:00:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.

That, and every other cancerous statement you spew out.

Oh well. At least I don't spam racist content or something.

Are you implying that I spam racist content?

Of course not. I'm just saying there are MUCH worse users than me, which means calling me cancerous is quite inaccurate.
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6/27/2016 9:28:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.

Not unless you say "it's just a prank"
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6/27/2016 9:28:39 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Given the situation, I think Scotland should indeed be given the chance of a referendum of independence; it shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction right now, but once the dust has settled, once we have a reasonable idea of what conditions to expect from the settlement deal, and once Scotlands options RE europe post independence are more clear as a result.

While I am very much of the opinion that the UK and Scotland are mostly better together; they have been treated exceptionally unfairly here. Specifically:

1.) The "Better Together" Campaign, made a lot of arguments concerning the Risk of being forced out of the EU as a result of independence. As Europe could well have been a large contributing factor to the outcome of that vote, us leaving Europe despite the Scots not wanting to is pretty unfair, and given that a major benefit of staying with the UK has now been majorly removed (By the votes of England, not Scotland); I feel it borders on the unethical not to allow a second vote, much as it pains me to say it.

2.) As a matter of principal, one of the major themes of the Leave Campaign was that it is not acceptable for citizens of the country to be ruled, however trivially, on the whims and rules of a non-representative government of mainly foreigners who don't have your personal interests at heart. Given this, and given the wholesale political change that England has forced on Scotland, it would be massively hypocritical of the UK not to recognize that the UK has decided such a decision is absolutely fine for England, but should not be given to Scotland again.

Don't get me wrong on this one, I don't want Scotland to leave, but I recognize that the England has forced a major political decision onto Scotland; and Scotland has to be given the right of accent to it.
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6/27/2016 9:34:46 PM
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At 6/27/2016 9:28:32 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:58:25 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:56:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:57:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

Hopefully they'll willingly join the US so not only do we have to not have to worry about fighting on the Scottish front, but we also can use Scotland as a staging post to invade Britain from the North.

This is why I never take anything you say seriously.

I know. Making obvious jokes really just discredits everything I say.

Not unless you say "it's just a prank"
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6/27/2016 10:47:13 PM
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At 6/27/2016 6:45:43 PM, imabench wrote:
The United Kingdom's exit from the EU was far from uniform across the United Kingdom, as demonstrated by Scotland, who overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU. Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU, almost a 2 to 1 margin. http://www.bbc.com... Thats a margin greater then how California voted for Obama over Romney in the 2012 election, which came out to 60% in favor and 40% against/other

Scotland is more pro-EU than California is pro-Democrats, yet Scotland may be forced to leave the EU anyways due to how the rest of the UK voted.

http://www.bbc.com...

After the failure of the previous independence referendum many leaders stated that another independence vote would not be held until the next generation, or unless major changes and actions by the British change the current situation. Voting to leave the EU, Cameron stepping down, markets going haywire over the Brexit, and the British Pound Sterling dropping to its lowest worth in 30+ years ( http://www.usatoday.com... ) likely counts as a very different scenario, which could spur some Scottish to call for a second independence vote.

I personally dont think Scotland would vote for independence the second time around if another bout of voting was held ('Remain' vote bead 'Secede' vote 55 to 44 in the first independence vote) but I have no idea what the odds are about a second independence vote taking place or not. Thoughts?

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