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7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.
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7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".
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7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM
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At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.
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7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM
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At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.
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7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM
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At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.
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7/2/2016 10:33:09 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.

That's not the point. The U.S. does not constitute the world. There is plenty of antisemitism. Do some simple research or read the news. It exists everywhere, especially among Muslims. Ask Jews if they need Israel? See what kind of answer you get.
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7/3/2016 12:47:59 AM
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At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

Unfortunately this situation will continue to spiral out of control as I believe Israel will not bulge to the international's recommendation of redrawing back to the 1967 borders. With that being said, the fury of the Palestinians will continue which will spawn more and more people to carry on attacks from the Palestinian side. Let us call it for what it is, Israel hates Palestine and Palestine hates Israel. I think the initial stabbing was wrong, but I think the stabbing incident is symptomatic to the climate of that region. It seems what Israel is doing is not justice, but punishing those not involved to be associates of the attacker. That is not justice, that is blind fury and vengeance. All this will do is spawn more hate filled Palestinians to harm more and more Israelis.
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7/3/2016 12:50:22 AM
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At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

Call me crazy, but I think what Israel is doing is slowly expanding their territory by using Palestinian attacks, as a justification for its expansion using draconian tactics to push Palestinians out of that region.
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7/3/2016 1:02:18 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/2/2016 10:33:09 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.

That's not the point. The U.S. does not constitute the world. There is plenty of antisemitism. Do some simple research or read the news. It exists everywhere, especially among Muslims. Ask Jews if they need Israel? See what kind of answer you get.

There are plenty in the world that hate gays. Do gays need their own country too?

No country should be a mandatory religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, well no decent country.
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7/3/2016 1:13:39 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/3/2016 12:50:22 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

Call me crazy, but I think what Israel is doing is slowly expanding their territory by using Palestinian attacks, as a justification for its expansion using draconian tactics to push Palestinians out of that region.

You are not crazy. That is the plan. All one has to study is how Israel controls West Bank water and how often they deny permits to the Palestinians to build wells and it becomes obvious.

If you think about it the current security risk to Israel is well contained. They have learned to live with a check point violence and a few terror attacks each year. Status quo works well for them, unfortunately.
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7/3/2016 1:54:23 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
I'm generally for a United Israel, where they control West Bank, Golem Heights, and Gaza, but due to the conflicts that occur, the small seperations are necessary for their protection. If they were in one country, they would be in a constant state of Civil War. It's just the sad fact of issues in the Middle East.
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7/3/2016 2:10:07 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/3/2016 1:02:18 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:33:09 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.

That's not the point. The U.S. does not constitute the world. There is plenty of antisemitism. Do some simple research or read the news. It exists everywhere, especially among Muslims. Ask Jews if they need Israel? See what kind of answer you get.

There are plenty in the world that hate gays. Do gays need their own country too?

That's hardly a valid comparison.

No country should be a mandatory religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, well no decent country.

Majority religion doesn't necessarily equate 'mandatory' religion. Israel is open to all religions but has always maintained that those from a Jewish background and those who identify as Jews, should make up the majority; which is not a surprise or indeed a contradiction given that Israel was established largely for that reason...to house Jews.
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7/3/2016 2:46:54 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint

I apologize for the tangent in advance, but this is something I've been noticing in the press lately and wanted to address.
Aside from the elderly, people with serious lung issues, or those with extremely high exposure, you cannot be "injured" by tear gas. You will have trouble breathing, lots of tearing and mucous production, disorientation, as well as irritation and pain, but you are not injured. Fifteen minutes in fresh air and a water flush and you're fine. Mentioning those exposed to tear gas, seems to be some sort of tool to create causalities where none existed, as a means of eliciting an emotional response.
In this case, that emotional response, would appear to be aimed at creating a negative tone surrounding Israeli actions and a victim tone for the Palestinians. This is a clear narrative spinning tactic.
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7/3/2016 3:31:17 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/3/2016 1:02:18 PM, slo1 wrote:

There are plenty in the world that hate gays. Do gays need their own country too?
it's called USA I think.
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7/3/2016 8:24:03 PM
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At 7/3/2016 1:02:18 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:33:09 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.

That's not the point. The U.S. does not constitute the world. There is plenty of antisemitism. Do some simple research or read the news. It exists everywhere, especially among Muslims. Ask Jews if they need Israel? See what kind of answer you get.

There are plenty in the world that hate gays. Do gays need their own country too?

No country should be a mandatory religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, well no decent country.

The Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis. Even countries like Canada refused a boat load of Jewish refugees who were sent back to Germany - to their deaths. I think you lack in compassion on this point. No one is trying to wipe out gays or Palestinians for that matter. Israel allows Arabs as citizens. By the way, what about the Arab Gulf States? Do you think a non Muslim, a non Arab or even a non native born can be a citizen of saudi Arabia or the UAE? No chance. Israel is less a Jewish state than these countries are Arab Muslim states.
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7/3/2016 8:33:47 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/3/2016 8:24:03 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/3/2016 1:02:18 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:33:09 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.

That's not the point. The U.S. does not constitute the world. There is plenty of antisemitism. Do some simple research or read the news. It exists everywhere, especially among Muslims. Ask Jews if they need Israel? See what kind of answer you get.

There are plenty in the world that hate gays. Do gays need their own country too?

No country should be a mandatory religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, well no decent country.

The Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis. Even countries like Canada refused a boat load of Jewish refugees who were sent back to Germany - to their deaths. I think you lack in compassion on this point. No one is trying to wipe out gays or Palestinians for that matter. Israel allows Arabs as citizens. By the way, what about the Arab Gulf States? Do you think a non Muslim, a non Arab or even a non native born can be a citizen of saudi Arabia or the UAE? No chance. Israel is less a Jewish state than these countries are Arab Muslim states.

Two wrong don't make a right. They are all bad countries in that regard. Also, there are plenty of countries that persecute gays including death. I think you lack compassion for all the religious, ethnic, and other groups that have been slaughtered since WWII by not offering them safe haven in their own country.
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7/3/2016 10:27:33 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/3/2016 8:33:47 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/3/2016 8:24:03 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/3/2016 1:02:18 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:33:09 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 10:11:16 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 8:26:22 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/2/2016 5:23:53 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/2/2016 1:34:12 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

The Palestinians live in a death cult atmosphere. the hatred is thick. I read somewhere recently. "If the Palestinians put down their weapons, the conflict would be over. If the Israelis put down their weapons, they would all be dead".

The conflict would not be over. There are still issues which would need to be resolved such as whether the millions of Palestinians who fled or were booted from Ideal have a right to return.

I happen to agree it would be in Palestine interest to seek none violence resistance, but Israel is not interested in a two state solution because they can not maintain the level of control they exhert in West Bank and Gaza.

One state will never fly as it begins to pressure their requirement of being Jewish majority.

I agree that one state is not feasible. There are many reasons but one fact remains....due to antisemitism that raises its ugly head around the world, the Jews will always need, and I repeat, need their own Jewish state.

Jews living in the US do just fine. There is no need for any country to be a stated ethnicity or religion.

That's not the point. The U.S. does not constitute the world. There is plenty of antisemitism. Do some simple research or read the news. It exists everywhere, especially among Muslims. Ask Jews if they need Israel? See what kind of answer you get.

There are plenty in the world that hate gays. Do gays need their own country too?

No country should be a mandatory religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, well no decent country.

The Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis. Even countries like Canada refused a boat load of Jewish refugees who were sent back to Germany - to their deaths. I think you lack in compassion on this point. No one is trying to wipe out gays or Palestinians for that matter. Israel allows Arabs as citizens. By the way, what about the Arab Gulf States? Do you think a non Muslim, a non Arab or even a non native born can be a citizen of saudi Arabia or the UAE? No chance. Israel is less a Jewish state than these countries are Arab Muslim states.

Two wrong don't make a right. They are all bad countries in that regard. Also, there are plenty of countries that persecute gays including death. I think you lack compassion for all the religious, ethnic, and other groups that have been slaughtered since WWII by not offering them safe haven in their own country.

You don't make sense.
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7/6/2016 2:12:12 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/1/2016 7:53:59 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, a 17-year-old Palestinian stabbed and killed a sleeping 13-year-old Israeli girl in her bedroom on Thursday. This was in the occupied Kiryat Arba in the West Bank, and the assailant was shot dead by the Israeli police force (http://www.reuters.com...). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack and take immediate steps to stop what he described as incitement that Israel has cited as a main factor behind a string of assaults over the last nine months. Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis: "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels." (http://www.postbulletin.com...).

But unfortunately that's not all. Today, Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian woman in Hebron on the allegation that she tried to stab a soldier with a knife, and A 63-year-old Palestinian man dies from excessive tear gas inhalation and 40 other Palestinians injured after Israeli forces fired tear gas at Palestinians crossing the Qalandiya checkpoint (http://english.pnn.ps...). But worst of all the Israel Defense Forces lay siege to the town of Bani Na'im, West Bank, in response to the killing yesterday. The village is supposedly home to the assailant, and the Israelis plan to demolish the assailant's house and arrested his family. They also implemented a curfew and blocked off the area. Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, blamed Israel's occupation for causing this incident (http://www.aljazeera.com...).

Obviously there were international consequences to this incident. The United Nations Security Council called on Israel to end settlement construction and expansion policy (which internationally is accused of being illegal in the first place) which brings into question its commitment to a two-state solution, and calls on Palestinians to act decisively to stop incitement to violence and to clearly condemn terrorist acts. In a statement released with the report, the Quartet invited Israel and the Palestinians "to engage with it on implementing its recommendations and creating the conditions for the resumption of meaningful negotiations that resolve all final status issues." (http://www.un.org...). But initial responses from the Palestinians and Israel showed no interest in engaging. Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said the report on first reading "does not meet our expectations" because "it attempts to equalize responsibilities between a people under occupation and a foreign military occupier." He said the Palestinians will continue to insist that all previous agreements be implemented with a time frame including "a full cessation of Israeli settlement activities." Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said the report "provides conclusive proof of official Palestinian Authority incitement against Israel." But he rejected its criticism of Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their state. "The Palestinians must understand that international initiatives will not bring peace to the Middle East," he said (http://www.bigstory.ap.org...).

So, what is your opinion on this incident? Do you think that the attacks were coordinated by the Palestinian government? Do you think that Israel's occupation is to blame? Do you think Israel's settlement in the West Bank is just and "okay"? Was Israel just in invading the Palestinian village? Will Palestine respond aggressively? How do you think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be solved? Do you agree with the two-state solution, the three state solution, or "Isratine"? Or do you think Israel should have complete control (kick out the Palestinians) or Palestine having complete control (expel the Jews)? Do you think that the international council would be able to bring peace to the Levant? Discuss.

Libtard 101: it's okay as long as the stabber was atheist or a Muslim, or a minority...and not white...or Christian
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