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7/3/2016 6:58:01 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
For those of you who are unaware, Mr. Rodrigo Duterte has been elected as President of the Philippines with Leni Robredo as his vice president. For those of you who weren't following the election, Duterte was a populist candidate and was termed the "Filipino Donald Trump". Why? Well, let's just say he has some "extreme" ways to deal with crime. I mentioned this in my "extrajudicial killing thread", which brought to light some of his actions. Duterte promised to end illegal drug use within 3 to 6 months, and by the time I made that thread 50 people accused of dealing in illegal drugs have been murdered (http://www.rappler.com...).

But apparently that was only the beginning. Duterte recently urged Filipino citizens to murder people suspected of using illegal drugs, this includes drug addicts and the drug dealers. He said, "If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful." Duterte believes that the Philippines is in its darkest days and promised to end this, with him also desiring to re-institute the death penalty of hanging. He said he would issue shoot-to-kill orders to the security services and offer them bounties for the bodies of drug dealers, and has thus been accused of hiring death squads and of course extrajudicial killings (https://www.theguardian.com...).

Within a week after this, already ten people with suspected links to illegal drugs have been killed by the police. This is Duterte's "war on crime", and he pledges to kill thousands more. He also promised to use his presidential powers to protect police who faced legal charges for mass killings, stating "If in the process you kill 1,000 persons because you were doing your duty, then I will protect you." Obviously there are human rights concerns to this (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

But maybe this is what the Philippines needs. Over a period of 20 years, he turned Davao City from the "murder capital of the Philippines" to what tourism organisations now describe as "the most peaceful city in southeast Asia" (http://www.news.com.au...). Duterte has been called an "iron leader", and did win a landslide in the election. He said "I don't care if I go to hell as long as the people I serve will live in paradise." His past successes may indicate his future successes for the Philippines. While mayor, he wanted women to have equal rights as men, had a comprehensive anti-smoking ordinance as well as an anti-discrimination ordinance, implemented an immediate response emergency services, had a stricter liquor ban and speed limit, and was willing to pay drug dependents to submit themselves and accept treatment (http://www.tahonews.com...).

So, what are your opinions on the so-called "Punisher"? I would love to hear them. Do you have a positive view or a negative view of him? Do you think his methods are unjust and/or a violation of human rights, or do you agree with his methods? Do you think he will improve the Philippines, or do you think he'll bring it to ruin? Do you think his harsh treatment of criminals should possibly be tested in the United States? How do you think the international world will react to him, given his suspected tourist killings and him stating he would "behave in a 'prim and proper' manner on the international stage" and pointed out "almost, I would become holy" (http://www.thestandard.com.ph...)? Discuss.
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7/3/2016 7:04:49 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/3/2016 6:58:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, Mr. Rodrigo Duterte has been elected as President of the Philippines with Leni Robredo as his vice president. For those of you who weren't following the election, Duterte was a populist candidate and was termed the "Filipino Donald Trump". Why? Well, let's just say he has some "extreme" ways to deal with crime. I mentioned this in my "extrajudicial killing thread", which brought to light some of his actions. Duterte promised to end illegal drug use within 3 to 6 months, and by the time I made that thread 50 people accused of dealing in illegal drugs have been murdered (http://www.rappler.com...).

But apparently that was only the beginning. Duterte recently urged Filipino citizens to murder people suspected of using illegal drugs, this includes drug addicts and the drug dealers. He said, "If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful." Duterte believes that the Philippines is in its darkest days and promised to end this, with him also desiring to re-institute the death penalty of hanging. He said he would issue shoot-to-kill orders to the security services and offer them bounties for the bodies of drug dealers, and has thus been accused of hiring death squads and of course extrajudicial killings (https://www.theguardian.com...).

Within a week after this, already ten people with suspected links to illegal drugs have been killed by the police. This is Duterte's "war on crime", and he pledges to kill thousands more. He also promised to use his presidential powers to protect police who faced legal charges for mass killings, stating "If in the process you kill 1,000 persons because you were doing your duty, then I will protect you." Obviously there are human rights concerns to this (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

But maybe this is what the Philippines needs. Over a period of 20 years, he turned Davao City from the "murder capital of the Philippines" to what tourism organisations now describe as "the most peaceful city in southeast Asia" (http://www.news.com.au...). Duterte has been called an "iron leader", and did win a landslide in the election. He said "I don't care if I go to hell as long as the people I serve will live in paradise." His past successes may indicate his future successes for the Philippines. While mayor, he wanted women to have equal rights as men, had a comprehensive anti-smoking ordinance as well as an anti-discrimination ordinance, implemented an immediate response emergency services, had a stricter liquor ban and speed limit, and was willing to pay drug dependents to submit themselves and accept treatment (http://www.tahonews.com...).

So, what are your opinions on the so-called "Punisher"? I would love to hear them. Do you have a positive view or a negative view of him? Do you think his methods are unjust and/or a violation of human rights, or do you agree with his methods? Do you think he will improve the Philippines, or do you think he'll bring it to ruin? Do you think his harsh treatment of criminals should possibly be tested in the United States? How do you think the international world will react to him, given his suspected tourist killings and him stating he would "behave in a 'prim and proper' manner on the international stage" and pointed out "almost, I would become holy" (http://www.thestandard.com.ph...)? Discuss.

His methods would never be accepted in the West, with a much greater emphasis now being placed on rehabilitation and viewing criminals as the tragic products of impoverished backgrounds.
As for the impact that he's going to have on The Philippines, it's too early to tell. The natural assumption would be that he'd be a horrible leader, but Stalin more or less spent all his time killing people and yet he left behind a modernised, powerful Soviet Union.
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7/3/2016 7:51:33 PM
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7/3/2016 8:05:26 PM
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At 7/3/2016 6:58:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, Mr. Rodrigo Duterte has been elected as President of the Philippines with Leni Robredo as his vice president. For those of you who weren't following the election, Duterte was a populist candidate and was termed the "Filipino Donald Trump". Why? Well, let's just say he has some "extreme" ways to deal with crime. I mentioned this in my "extrajudicial killing thread", which brought to light some of his actions. Duterte promised to end illegal drug use within 3 to 6 months, and by the time I made that thread 50 people accused of dealing in illegal drugs have been murdered (http://www.rappler.com...).

But apparently that was only the beginning. Duterte recently urged Filipino citizens to murder people suspected of using illegal drugs, this includes drug addicts and the drug dealers. He said, "If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful." Duterte believes that the Philippines is in its darkest days and promised to end this, with him also desiring to re-institute the death penalty of hanging. He said he would issue shoot-to-kill orders to the security services and offer them bounties for the bodies of drug dealers, and has thus been accused of hiring death squads and of course extrajudicial killings (https://www.theguardian.com...).

Within a week after this, already ten people with suspected links to illegal drugs have been killed by the police. This is Duterte's "war on crime", and he pledges to kill thousands more. He also promised to use his presidential powers to protect police who faced legal charges for mass killings, stating "If in the process you kill 1,000 persons because you were doing your duty, then I will protect you." Obviously there are human rights concerns to this (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

But maybe this is what the Philippines needs. Over a period of 20 years, he turned Davao City from the "murder capital of the Philippines" to what tourism organisations now describe as "the most peaceful city in southeast Asia" (http://www.news.com.au...). Duterte has been called an "iron leader", and did win a landslide in the election. He said "I don't care if I go to hell as long as the people I serve will live in paradise." His past successes may indicate his future successes for the Philippines. While mayor, he wanted women to have equal rights as men, had a comprehensive anti-smoking ordinance as well as an anti-discrimination ordinance, implemented an immediate response emergency services, had a stricter liquor ban and speed limit, and was willing to pay drug dependents to submit themselves and accept treatment (http://www.tahonews.com...).

So, what are your opinions on the so-called "Punisher"? I would love to hear them. Do you have a positive view or a negative view of him? Do you think his methods are unjust and/or a violation of human rights, or do you agree with his methods? Do you think he will improve the Philippines, or do you think he'll bring it to ruin? Do you think his harsh treatment of criminals should possibly be tested in the United States? How do you think the international world will react to him, given his suspected tourist killings and him stating he would "behave in a 'prim and proper' manner on the international stage" and pointed out "almost, I would become holy" (http://www.thestandard.com.ph...)? Discuss.

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7/4/2016 6:03:46 PM
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Two things. First, the Communist Party of the Philippines agrees to fight drug lords after its legal wing Bagong Alyansang Makabayan joined the government cabinet of Rodrigo Duterte (http://www.gmanetwork.com...). Secondly, Paul Manafort, adviser to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, received donations from former Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos (http://www.rappler.com...). What do you think of these developments?
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7/5/2016 6:00:04 PM
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7/8/2016 7:38:51 PM
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Opposition senator and human rights lawyer Leila de Lima has condemned the killings and urge the Philippine Congress to investigate (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...). Will Human Rights organizations have Duterte stand trial for his extrajudicial killings?
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7/9/2016 4:35:24 AM
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At 7/3/2016 6:58:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, Mr. Rodrigo Duterte has been elected as President of the Philippines with Leni Robredo as his vice president. For those of you who weren't following the election, Duterte was a populist candidate and was termed the "Filipino Donald Trump". Why? Well, let's just say he has some "extreme" ways to deal with crime. I mentioned this in my "extrajudicial killing thread", which brought to light some of his actions. Duterte promised to end illegal drug use within 3 to 6 months, and by the time I made that thread 50 people accused of dealing in illegal drugs have been murdered (http://www.rappler.com...).

But apparently that was only the beginning. Duterte recently urged Filipino citizens to murder people suspected of using illegal drugs, this includes drug addicts and the drug dealers. He said, "If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful." Duterte believes that the Philippines is in its darkest days and promised to end this, with him also desiring to re-institute the death penalty of hanging. He said he would issue shoot-to-kill orders to the security services and offer them bounties for the bodies of drug dealers, and has thus been accused of hiring death squads and of course extrajudicial killings (https://www.theguardian.com...).

Within a week after this, already ten people with suspected links to illegal drugs have been killed by the police. This is Duterte's "war on crime", and he pledges to kill thousands more. He also promised to use his presidential powers to protect police who faced legal charges for mass killings, stating "If in the process you kill 1,000 persons because you were doing your duty, then I will protect you." Obviously there are human rights concerns to this (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...).

But maybe this is what the Philippines needs. Over a period of 20 years, he turned Davao City from the "murder capital of the Philippines" to what tourism organisations now describe as "the most peaceful city in southeast Asia" (http://www.news.com.au...). Duterte has been called an "iron leader", and did win a landslide in the election. He said "I don't care if I go to hell as long as the people I serve will live in paradise." His past successes may indicate his future successes for the Philippines. While mayor, he wanted women to have equal rights as men, had a comprehensive anti-smoking ordinance as well as an anti-discrimination ordinance, implemented an immediate response emergency services, had a stricter liquor ban and speed limit, and was willing to pay drug dependents to submit themselves and accept treatment (http://www.tahonews.com...).

So, what are your opinions on the so-called "Punisher"? I would love to hear them. Do you have a positive view or a negative view of him? Do you think his methods are unjust and/or a violation of human rights, or do you agree with his methods? Do you think he will improve the Philippines, or do you think he'll bring it to ruin? Do you think his harsh treatment of criminals should possibly be tested in the United States? How do you think the international world will react to him, given his suspected tourist killings and him stating he would "behave in a 'prim and proper' manner on the international stage" and pointed out "almost, I would become holy" (http://www.thestandard.com.ph...)? Discuss.

Duterte is an interesting character and I am offended by a number of his stances on human rights. But, as someone who was born in Mexico, which has been devastated by the drug war and endless cartel killings, I'm interested in seeing if your approach to the drug crime problem works. The Philippines also has a major terrorism problem, similar to Mexico's unbelievable issue with the violent drug cartels.

If Duterte's strategy works, which it seems like it may already be, Mexico should take the hint and adopt this strategy.
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7/9/2016 4:40:56 AM
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The Philippines elected Duterte because it's fed up with corruption, it's persistent terrorism situation, and the drug crime. I think he should consider adopting a more humanistic approach in the Philippines, but I'm with him in tackling these urgent, painful issues.
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7/9/2016 4:51:53 AM
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Rodrigo Duterte has turned Davao City from one sprawling with drug violence into a tourist destination in the South west Pacific in the span of a few decades. He has a reputation for turning problems around, so naturally Filipinos were drawn to him in the last presidential election.

The West shouldn't be so quick to disregard his unbelievable success. Perhaps some of his approach, modified to be more humanistic, can work even on this side of the globe.
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7/9/2016 6:31:28 AM
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At 7/3/2016 7:04:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

His methods would never be accepted in the West, with a much greater emphasis now being placed on rehabilitation and viewing criminals as the tragic products of impoverished backgrounds.

You say that as if you'd prefer his method over the liberal notions of law and real healing.

As for the impact that he's going to have on The Philippines, it's too early to tell. The natural assumption would be that he'd be a horrible leader, but Stalin more or less spent all his time killing people and yet he left behind a modernised, powerful Soviet Union.

I'll ignore that you're randomly comparing this guy with Stalin; but you think Russia is modern or powerful????
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7/9/2016 8:14:23 AM
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Now, let me clarify that those convicted of non-violent drug crimes shouldn't be given harsh, long sentences; these individuals should be provided with some therapeutic way of dealing with their issues and possible addictions.

But criminal suspects who have a history of violence and are transporting/selling drugs must be placed on notice that they may lose their lives for their behavior, even at the hands of police. And the consequences for violent and violent drug crimes will be severe. We should not believe that fear doesn't have a place in the justice system. It does! It's what keeps most people out of prison.
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7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM
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Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?
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7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.
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7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?
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7/9/2016 1:51:16 PM
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It's like increasing your chances of getting raped. Don't wear very skimpy clothing.

It makes you a bulls eye for the demon possessed.
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7/9/2016 1:52:10 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?

I don't carry a gun and sell drugs simultaneously. I do neither. Thus, I or my family would be justified if I were unjustifyingly targeted by the police.
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7/9/2016 1:54:28 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:52:10 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?

I don't carry a gun and sell drugs simultaneously. I do neither. Thus, I or my family would be justified if I were unjustifyingly targeted by the police.

Explain to me what stops people killing some one and then just claiming oh they were a drug dealer.
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7/9/2016 1:56:58 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:54:28 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:52:10 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?

I don't carry a gun and sell drugs simultaneously. I do neither. Thus, I or my family would be justified if I were unjustifyingly targeted by the police.

Explain to me what stops people killing some one and then just claiming oh they were a drug dealer.

If the person is found with drugs on their possession, or linked to drugs, while simultaneously carrying a drug, that's a BIG FLASHING SIGN.

Now, it's important that we prevent abuse by law enforcement, which is why we have the courts and police body cameras. I think this will work fine.
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7/9/2016 1:57:34 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:56:58 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:54:28 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:52:10 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?

I don't carry a gun and sell drugs simultaneously. I do neither. Thus, I or my family would be justified if I were unjustifyingly targeted by the police.

Explain to me what stops people killing some one and then just claiming oh they were a drug dealer.

If the person is found with drugs on their possession, or linked to drugs, while simultaneously carrying a drug, that's a BIG FLASHING SIGN.

Now, it's important that we prevent abuse by law enforcement, which is why we have the courts and police body cameras. I think this will work fine.

while simultaneously carrying a gun, that is.
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7/9/2016 2:03:40 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:56:58 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:54:28 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:52:10 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?

I don't carry a gun and sell drugs simultaneously. I do neither. Thus, I or my family would be justified if I were unjustifyingly targeted by the police.

Explain to me what stops people killing some one and then just claiming oh they were a drug dealer.

If the person is found with drugs on their possession, or linked to drugs, while simultaneously carrying a drug, that's a BIG FLASHING SIGN.

Now, it's important that we prevent abuse by law enforcement, which is why we have the courts and police body cameras. I think this will work fine.

What stops your death ? in a situation where some one just kills you, plants drugs on you, and has some other people say, oh yeah he was such a big drug dealer ?
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7/9/2016 2:06:53 PM
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At 7/9/2016 2:03:40 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:56:58 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:54:28 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:52:10 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:50:45 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:49:34 PM, Blueberry_Goose wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:42:03 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
Give people the freedom to kill, all they have to do is identify some one as a drug dealer. What could possibly go wrong ?

My advice to you, illegal, is to not carry a gun and sell drugs. You will be safe.

OH, and what is to stop anyone killing you then just claiming, oh we was a drug dealer ?

I don't carry a gun and sell drugs simultaneously. I do neither. Thus, I or my family would be justified if I were unjustifyingly targeted by the police.

Explain to me what stops people killing some one and then just claiming oh they were a drug dealer.

If the person is found with drugs on their possession, or linked to drugs, while simultaneously carrying a drug, that's a BIG FLASHING SIGN.

Now, it's important that we prevent abuse by law enforcement, which is why we have the courts and police body cameras. I think this will work fine.

What stops your death ? in a situation where some one just kills you, plants drugs on you, and has some other people say, oh yeah he was such a big drug dealer ?

Bring out the evidence and character witnesses. If law enforcement can find people who knew me to indicate I sold drugs, that would carry it through. Problem: police body cameras would show everything that happened at the time of my killing.

Unless they had a warrant from the courts, they wouldn't be able to shoot me without direct visual evidence that I had a gun while I was allegedly transporting or selling drugs.
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7/9/2016 2:09:37 PM
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I agree that this power would only belong to the police, not the civilians. Allowing civilians to shoot and kill alleged drug dealers isn't safe and opens the door wide for abuse. That's one condition I disagree firmly on with Duterte's methods.

But it could work in Mexico, where the drug cartels are rampant and trying to take over the control, and it wouldn't be such a bad idea here in the US, so long as strong humanistic conditions are required.
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7/9/2016 2:15:50 PM
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Another condition I would place on this is that it can only be done if a suspect is transporting or selling strong illegal narcotics, not marijuana. (Though I don't personally condone marijuana use, but wont stop someone from using it.)
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7/9/2016 3:11:52 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/9/2016 6:31:28 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/3/2016 7:04:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

His methods would never be accepted in the West, with a much greater emphasis now being placed on rehabilitation and viewing criminals as the tragic products of impoverished backgrounds.

You say that as if you'd prefer his method over the liberal notions of law and real healing.

As for the impact that he's going to have on The Philippines, it's too early to tell. The natural assumption would be that he'd be a horrible leader, but Stalin more or less spent all his time killing people and yet he left behind a modernised, powerful Soviet Union.

I'll ignore that you're randomly comparing this guy with Stalin; but you think Russia is modern or powerful????

The Soviet Union in 1945 was extremely powerful. It was one of the two most powerful countries on earth.
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7/9/2016 6:06:36 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/9/2016 3:11:52 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/9/2016 6:31:28 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/3/2016 7:04:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

His methods would never be accepted in the West, with a much greater emphasis now being placed on rehabilitation and viewing criminals as the tragic products of impoverished backgrounds.

You say that as if you'd prefer his method over the liberal notions of law and real healing.

As for the impact that he's going to have on The Philippines, it's too early to tell. The natural assumption would be that he'd be a horrible leader, but Stalin more or less spent all his time killing people and yet he left behind a modernised, powerful Soviet Union.

I'll ignore that you're randomly comparing this guy with Stalin; but you think Russia is modern or powerful????

The Soviet Union in 1945 was extremely powerful. It was one of the two most powerful countries on earth.

That was 1945since, the end of the USSR Russia has been lagging behind Europe and the US in almost every respect.
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7/9/2016 6:24:04 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Duterte has now responded to the accusations of Human Rights Violations. His spokesperson said "If there is proof, if there is substantive evidence, the Palace, the government, is also of course open to any investigation." This means he's demanding his critics to provide proof if there are human rights violations conducted during the current drug war. As of right now, more than one hundred drug dealers have been killed (http://www.rappler.com...).
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