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BrendanD19
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7/4/2016 11:40:31 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has resigned his post, the Guardian is reporting.
Howeve this exact same thing played out after Farage lost the race for the South Thanet constituency in the 2015 general election.
Thoughts?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader
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7/5/2016 12:06:02 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 11:44:54 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Farage is the mirage

Can't barrage the farage!
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7/5/2016 12:06:17 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 11:46:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:44:54 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Farage is a mirage

+1

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If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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7/5/2016 1:02:52 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 11:40:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has resigned his post, the Guardian is reporting.
Howeve this exact same thing played out after Farage lost the race for the South Thanet constituency in the 2015 general election.
Thoughts?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

Indifferent to be honest.
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7/5/2016 1:29:07 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 11:40:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has resigned his post, the Guardian is reporting.
Howeve this exact same thing played out after Farage lost the race for the South Thanet constituency in the 2015 general election.
Thoughts?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

Well he got what he wanted, it makes sense to me.
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7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.
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7/6/2016 10:25:14 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 11:40:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has resigned his post, the Guardian is reporting.
Howeve this exact same thing played out after Farage lost the race for the South Thanet constituency in the 2015 general election.
Thoughts?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

Let's hope the next UKIP leader is as good (or better) as Farage was. Though I can understand why Nigel Farage stepped down, considering his "ultimate goal" was accomplished.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
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7/6/2016 10:25:26 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 12:06:17 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:46:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:44:54 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Farage is a mirage

+1

-2

+0
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7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.
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7/6/2016 11:00:56 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Especially his own party.
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7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.
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7/6/2016 12:14:37 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 11:00:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Especially his own party.

Wrong.
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7/6/2016 1:01:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 12:14:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:00:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Especially his own party.

Wrong.

Just ask Douglas Carswell MP
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7/6/2016 3:14:11 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 10:25:26 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 12:06:17 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:46:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:44:54 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Farage is a mirage

+1

-2

+0

* -i^2
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7/6/2016 3:42:30 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 3:14:11 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:25:26 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 12:06:17 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:46:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:44:54 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Farage is a mirage

+1

-2

+0

* -i^2

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7/6/2016 4:43:16 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 3:42:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/6/2016 3:14:11 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:25:26 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 12:06:17 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:46:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/4/2016 11:44:54 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Farage is a mirage

+1

-2

+0

* -i^2

-log10

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http://www.debate.org...

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7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.

Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Absolute Legend.
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7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Absolute Legend.

Not really.
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7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.


Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.
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7/9/2016 1:07:21 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

It was denied because 'free movement of labor' (I.E people) is inherent to the E.U. Article 45 clearly states: 'Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.'

And this comes along with free trade and free capital. All other E.U countries are to accept that rule--so why should the U.K be an exception?

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.

No, again the U.K pushed to become a member of the European Community in the early-mid 1970's, with full knowledge of what the rules and protocols entailed. If you want to trade easily with other E.U countries, and if you want to have a say with other E.U countries, then actually being a part of the E.U is the only practical way to achieve that.





Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.

No really. He might persist dogmatically with his viewpoints and I agree that he contributed massively to the decision to hold a U.K referendum, but that doesn't make him a 'legend'. He is in fact pretty short-sighted.
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Commentator on British parliament: 'All that talent in one place, where is Ebola when you need it?'

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7/10/2016 5:59:55 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/9/2016 1:07:21 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

It was denied because 'free movement of labor' (I.E people) is inherent to the E.U. Article 45 clearly states: 'Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.'

And this comes along with free trade and free capital. All other E.U countries are to accept that rule--so why should the U.K be an exception?

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.

No, again the U.K pushed to become a member of the European Community in the early-mid 1970's, with full knowledge of what the rules and protocols entailed. If you want to trade easily with other E.U countries, and if you want to have a say with other E.U countries, then actually being a part of the E.U is the only practical way to achieve that.


Ah, But you missed the point, Democracy fails when the people of a nation have no say on how to control their borders, but instead are dictated to by foreign bodies. Being blackmailed into having access to the single market in exchange for open borders, is also not a democracy, it's blackmail.


Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.

No really. He might persist dogmatically with his viewpoints and I agree that he contributed massively to the decision to hold a U.K referendum, but that doesn't make him a 'legend'.

As it'as one of the most historical decisions this country has ever undertaken and he is at the very center for having made it so, Then weather you like it or not, he is a legend.

He is in fact pretty short-sighted.

Not at all, instead he put the destiny of this nation back into the power of the people of this nation, and not at the mercy of a dictatorship by foreign bodies.

There is a price to pay for freedom, and the British people know this, but it didn't stop 17 million people wanting out of Europe.
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7/10/2016 7:11:32 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 5:59:55 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:07:21 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

It was denied because 'free movement of labor' (I.E people) is inherent to the E.U. Article 45 clearly states: 'Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.'

And this comes along with free trade and free capital. All other E.U countries are to accept that rule--so why should the U.K be an exception?

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.

No, again the U.K pushed to become a member of the European Community in the early-mid 1970's, with full knowledge of what the rules and protocols entailed. If you want to trade easily with other E.U countries, and if you want to have a say with other E.U countries, then actually being a part of the E.U is the only practical way to achieve that.


Ah, But you missed the point, Democracy fails when the people of a nation have no say on how to control their borders, but instead are dictated to by foreign bodies. Being blackmailed into having access to the single market in exchange for open borders, is also not a democracy, it's blackmail.


Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.

No really. He might persist dogmatically with his viewpoints and I agree that he contributed massively to the decision to hold a U.K referendum, but that doesn't make him a 'legend'.

As it'as one of the most historical decisions this country has ever undertaken and he is at the very center for having made it so, Then weather you like it or not, he is a legend.

He is in fact pretty short-sighted.

Not at all, instead he put the destiny of this nation back into the power of the people of this nation, and not at the mercy of a dictatorship by foreign bodies.

There is a price to pay for freedom, and the British people know this, but it didn't stop 17 million people wanting out of Europe.

Mr Farage is such a legend in the UK, that on the seven occasions he has stood for a seat in the House of Commons he has been rejected seven times.

Legend.
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7/10/2016 7:19:29 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 7:11:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/10/2016 5:59:55 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:07:21 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

It was denied because 'free movement of labor' (I.E people) is inherent to the E.U. Article 45 clearly states: 'Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.'

And this comes along with free trade and free capital. All other E.U countries are to accept that rule--so why should the U.K be an exception?

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.

No, again the U.K pushed to become a member of the European Community in the early-mid 1970's, with full knowledge of what the rules and protocols entailed. If you want to trade easily with other E.U countries, and if you want to have a say with other E.U countries, then actually being a part of the E.U is the only practical way to achieve that.


Ah, But you missed the point, Democracy fails when the people of a nation have no say on how to control their borders, but instead are dictated to by foreign bodies. Being blackmailed into having access to the single market in exchange for open borders, is also not a democracy, it's blackmail.


Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.

No really. He might persist dogmatically with his viewpoints and I agree that he contributed massively to the decision to hold a U.K referendum, but that doesn't make him a 'legend'.

As it'as one of the most historical decisions this country has ever undertaken and he is at the very center for having made it so, Then weather you like it or not, he is a legend.

He is in fact pretty short-sighted.

Not at all, instead he put the destiny of this nation back into the power of the people of this nation, and not at the mercy of a dictatorship by foreign bodies.

There is a price to pay for freedom, and the British people know this, but it didn't stop 17 million people wanting out of Europe.

Mr Farage is such a legend in the UK, that on the seven occasions he has stood for a seat in the House of Commons he has been rejected seven times.

Legend.

Make no difference, he is still the man responsible for getting the UK out of Europe, which is what the majority of people want, along with the power to decide how to control and run our country without being overruled by foreign bodies.

So yes, he is a legend.
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7/10/2016 12:28:24 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 7:19:29 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/10/2016 7:11:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/10/2016 5:59:55 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/9/2016 1:07:21 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

It was denied because 'free movement of labor' (I.E people) is inherent to the E.U. Article 45 clearly states: 'Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.'

And this comes along with free trade and free capital. All other E.U countries are to accept that rule--so why should the U.K be an exception?

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.

No, again the U.K pushed to become a member of the European Community in the early-mid 1970's, with full knowledge of what the rules and protocols entailed. If you want to trade easily with other E.U countries, and if you want to have a say with other E.U countries, then actually being a part of the E.U is the only practical way to achieve that.


Ah, But you missed the point, Democracy fails when the people of a nation have no say on how to control their borders, but instead are dictated to by foreign bodies. Being blackmailed into having access to the single market in exchange for open borders, is also not a democracy, it's blackmail.


Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.

No really. He might persist dogmatically with his viewpoints and I agree that he contributed massively to the decision to hold a U.K referendum, but that doesn't make him a 'legend'.

As it'as one of the most historical decisions this country has ever undertaken and he is at the very center for having made it so, Then weather you like it or not, he is a legend.

He is in fact pretty short-sighted.

Not at all, instead he put the destiny of this nation back into the power of the people of this nation, and not at the mercy of a dictatorship by foreign bodies.

There is a price to pay for freedom, and the British people know this, but it didn't stop 17 million people wanting out of Europe.

Mr Farage is such a legend in the UK, that on the seven occasions he has stood for a seat in the House of Commons he has been rejected seven times.

Legend.


Make no difference, he is still the man responsible for getting the UK out of Europe,

Actually, the Conservative Party has a rather significant Eurosceptic fringe--which pressurized David Cameron into holding a referendum. The leave campaign was officially managed by them; not Farage.

which is what the majority of people want

No, the vote is almost entirely divided--and then there's all the people who were unsure and decided not to vote. For all the youth that voted, it was decidedly to remain.

along with the power to decide how to control and run our country without being overruled by foreign bodies.

You can't. If you want to access to free trade and goods, then you're just going to have to accept free movement of labor--which would thus leave your vote meaningless. What this referendum has actually done is remove the wider accountability that countries should have, and given further power to those at Westminster--not to the people of Britain. Don't be surprised if the 'democracy' you were so ardently hoping for, doesn't come at all.


So yes, he is a legend.

A legend that's still happy to take his huge salary from the E.U for the next two years; he's a hypocrite and a fraud.
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7/11/2016 8:42:12 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 11:40:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has resigned his post, the Guardian is reporting.
Howeve this exact same thing played out after Farage lost the race for the South Thanet constituency in the 2015 general election.
Thoughts?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

He is definately leaving this time. He has achieved his career goal and has nothing else to offer UKIP or the British public. His controversial character has helped give the party a significant position in British politics but to progress (and even survive as a significant force) it needs a less divisive leader who can appeal to both dissatisfied left wing voters unhappy with the Labour establishment and more moderate voters in the Centre ground. The result of the referendum leaves the kind of right wing voters Farage attracted little reason to choose UKIP over the conservative party.
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7/11/2016 8:49:05 PM
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At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Do you blame the failings of the CAP, the inability to control migration due to freedom of movement, EU membership fees, EU regulations that impede business, the Eurozone crisis and the undemocratic nature of the EU commission on the conservative party?

It's unreasonable to do so as while a member of the EU the UK government had no authority to do anything about these problems which are certainly significant and concerned a lot of UK citizens as the result of the referendum shows.
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7/11/2016 8:55:36 PM
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At 7/9/2016 1:07:21 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/8/2016 5:05:22 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:20:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/7/2016 6:46:56 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/6/2016 11:47:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 7/6/2016 10:26:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/5/2016 1:30:04 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well, the difference is that there was still a referendum to gain then--but whatever.

Despite resigning as leader, he'll retain his MEP position in the E.U parliament (until Britain formally leaves) and continue to get a pretty comfortable salary, which amounts to almost 100,000 per year including expenses...guess the E.U is good for some things.

Yep, all with the cost of everybody hating you at your workplace.

Well...in this case that's pretty understandable ;) A trained surgeon was among those he recently insulted for never having a 'proper job'.


Or the fact that he has caused the biggest divorce in history which will run into the billions if not trillions, And gave people back their independence from a dictational EU superstate.

Indeed, as of yet the U.K is still a part of the E.U though--until Article 50 is triggered.

Also, the U.K was/is an independent state; any shortcomings or problems can almost entirely be attributed to its domestic government.

Cameron our Prime Minister went to Brussles to argue for a reformation on our immigration system, on behalf of the concerns of the people of this nation, he was outright denied by the Eurocrats any reformation,

It was denied because 'free movement of labor' (I.E people) is inherent to the E.U. Article 45 clearly states: 'Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.'

And this comes along with free trade and free capital. All other E.U countries are to accept that rule--so why should the U.K be an exception?

That's a dictatorship, not a democracy. However you want to slice it.

No, again the U.K pushed to become a member of the European Community in the early-mid 1970's, with full knowledge of what the rules and protocols entailed. If you want to trade easily with other E.U countries, and if you want to have a say with other E.U countries, then actually being a part of the E.U is the only practical way to achieve that.

Actually that's incorrect. The UK joined the European Economic community in 1973. At the time it was an economic union based purely on trade, not the political union we see today that was formed in 1993 and has worked towards ever closer union while rapidly expanding to include many more countries ever since.






Absolute Legend.

Not really.

Yes really.

No really. He might persist dogmatically with his viewpoints and I agree that he contributed massively to the decision to hold a U.K referendum, but that doesn't make him a 'legend'. He is in fact pretty short-sighted.
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Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.