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7/14/2016 11:11:11 PM
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Exterminate these bastards already. Remove this filth from Europe and declare a Holy War against them. Pope Urban II, where are you when you are most needed?
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7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.
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7/14/2016 11:17:21 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

She will ban assault trucks.
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7/14/2016 11:18:16 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:17:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

She will ban assault trucks.

Don't forget suing assault truck manufacturers
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7/14/2016 11:18:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

That's ridiculous, Adam. It's partly this kind of McCarthy-esque otherizing of opposite political camps that is making it impossible for our country to unite and that is driving the hyper-partisinization of our political climate.

People who vote Hillary are *not* openly desiring the destruction of the US. Let's not cast millions of loyal Americans as traitors just because we viscerally hate the candidate they support.
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7/14/2016 11:19:00 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:18:16 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:17:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

She will ban assault trucks.

Don't forget suing assault truck manufacturers

Also ban gasoline, it's ammunition.
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7/14/2016 11:19:25 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

More than 30 have been killed.

Death toll is in the 70's I believe. I almost went to Nice this weekend...glad I stayed in Italy.
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7/14/2016 11:22:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:18:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

That's ridiculous, Adam. It's partly this kind of McCarthy-esque otherizing of opposite political camps that is making it impossible for our country to unite and that is driving the hyper-partisinization of our political climate.

People who vote Hillary are *not* openly desiring the destruction of the US. Let's not cast millions of loyal Americans as traitors just because we viscerally hate the candidate they support.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, but the impact of letting in hundreds of thousands of muslim migrants is on open display in France, something hillary desires to do. (130,000-150,000 a year, to be precise). If you are aware of the detrimental impact of something, but continue to do it anyways, you are responsible for the consequences. Supporting Hillary Clinton makes you responsible, and complicit in these types of deaths when they occur in our own country. That much I won't back down from.
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7/14/2016 11:24:51 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:18:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

That's ridiculous, Adam. It's partly this kind of McCarthy-esque otherizing of opposite political camps that is making it impossible for our country to unite and that is driving the hyper-partisinization of our political climate.

People who vote Hillary are *not* openly desiring the destruction of the US. Let's not cast millions of loyal Americans as traitors just because we viscerally hate the candidate they support.

Neither party is willing to drop identity politics for the sake of unification. A revolution is in order.
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7/14/2016 11:30:47 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:22:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:18:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

That's ridiculous, Adam. It's partly this kind of McCarthy-esque otherizing of opposite political camps that is making it impossible for our country to unite and that is driving the hyper-partisinization of our political climate.

People who vote Hillary are *not* openly desiring the destruction of the US. Let's not cast millions of loyal Americans as traitors just because we viscerally hate the candidate they support.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, but the impact of letting in hundreds of thousands of muslim migrants is on open display in France, something hillary desires to do.

I would dispute that, and I would dispute that the fear of terrorism ought to be ground to scrap our commitments to uphold human rights by providing asylum to legitimate refugees.

(130,000-150,000 a year, to be precise)

I am almost certain this number is false. All the information I've seen suggests she wants to allow 65,000 refugees into the US.

http://www.cbsnews.com...
http://www.inquisitr.com...

Supporting Hillary Clinton makes you responsible, and complicit in these types of deaths when they occur in our own country. That much I won't back down from.

No, it doesn't. And I would disagree that Hillary makes the US less safe from terrorism. To suggest that I would somehow vote for someone who I believed made our country less safe is absurd. You may feel like my beliefs are wrong, just as I feel yours are about Trump, but that does not make either of us responsible for the flaws of the candidates nor does it mean we choose who to support for unpatriotic reasons.
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7/14/2016 11:32:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:30:47 PM, bsh1 wrote:

No, it doesn't. And I would disagree that Hillary makes the US less safe from terrorism.

Benghazhi disagrees.
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7/14/2016 11:33:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:32:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:30:47 PM, bsh1 wrote:

No, it doesn't. And I would disagree that Hillary makes the US less safe from terrorism.

Benghazhi disagrees.

OMG...I am not going to debate Benghazi with you, Greyparrot. And, I don't think that incident really says much at all about her counterterrorism policy as a whole, or the reasons that I think Trump will make the US less safe.
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7/14/2016 11:34:24 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

Some news agencies reported hostage-takings in other areas of Nice.
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7/14/2016 11:35:02 PM
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I live in France, it's crazy
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7/14/2016 11:38:54 PM
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At 7/14/2016 11:34:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

Some news agencies reported hostage-takings in other areas of Nice.

Heard that too from the Italian news.
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7/14/2016 11:40:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:30:47 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:22:45 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:18:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

That's ridiculous, Adam. It's partly this kind of McCarthy-esque otherizing of opposite political camps that is making it impossible for our country to unite and that is driving the hyper-partisinization of our political climate.

People who vote Hillary are *not* openly desiring the destruction of the US. Let's not cast millions of loyal Americans as traitors just because we viscerally hate the candidate they support.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, but the impact of letting in hundreds of thousands of muslim migrants is on open display in France, something hillary desires to do.

I would dispute that, and I would dispute that the fear of terrorism ought to be ground to scrap our commitments to uphold human rights by providing asylum to legitimate refugees.

You would dispute what? And it is rational for countries to pursue their own interests, international law is secondary to protecting our nation from harm.

(130,000-150,000 a year, to be precise)

I am almost certain this number is false. All the information I've seen suggests she wants to allow 65,000 refugees into the US.

This is in addition to the refugees Obama has taken in and will take in. (85,000 in 2016, 100,000 in 2017)

http://www.cbsnews.com...
http://www.inquisitr.com...

Supporting Hillary Clinton makes you responsible, and complicit in these types of deaths when they occur in our own country. That much I won't back down from.

No, it doesn't. And I would disagree that Hillary makes the US less safe from terrorism. To suggest that I would somehow vote for someone who I believed made our country less safe is absurd. You may feel like my beliefs are wrong, just as I feel yours are about Trump, but that does not make either of us responsible for the flaws of the candidates nor does it mean we choose who to support for unpatriotic reasons.

If the impact of letting more refugees in is an increase in terrorism, and you support the candidate who has said they will do this, you are responsible for an increase in terrorism when that candidates policies are implemented.
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7/14/2016 11:42:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:38:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:34:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

Some news agencies reported hostage-takings in other areas of Nice.

Heard that too from the Italian news.

You know why they're doing this, right?
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7/14/2016 11:43:55 PM
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Clearly they need more spontaneous renditions of John Lennon's "Imagine"
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7/14/2016 11:45:46 PM
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Isn't mass immigration great?

Imagine the sheer horror of a France that was still 90%+ French. That obviously outweighs the scores of dead
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7/14/2016 11:47:55 PM
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At 7/14/2016 11:40:40 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:30:47 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would dispute that, and I would dispute that the fear of terrorism ought to be ground to scrap our commitments to uphold human rights by providing asylum to legitimate refugees.

You would dispute what?

That this is a direct result of France's refugee policy.

And it is rational for countries to pursue their own interests, international law is secondary to protecting our nation from harm.

I am not talking about international law. I am talking about values. I value protecting universal human rights over caving into fears of terrorism. When our values are scrapped, our character is lost.

(130,000-150,000 a year, to be precise)

I am almost certain this number is false. All the information I've seen suggests she wants to allow 65,000 refugees into the US.

This is in addition to the refugees Obama has taken in and will take in. (85,000 in 2016, 100,000 in 2017)

That's not 130,000 "a year." You make it sound like she wants to bring in that many people every year of her Presidency, which is absolutely misleading.

Supporting Hillary Clinton makes you responsible, and complicit in these types of deaths when they occur in our own country. That much I won't back down from.

No, it doesn't. And I would disagree that Hillary makes the US less safe from terrorism. To suggest that I would somehow vote for someone who I believed made our country less safe is absurd. You may feel like my beliefs are wrong, just as I feel yours are about Trump, but that does not make either of us responsible for the flaws of the candidates nor does it mean we choose who to support for unpatriotic reasons.

If the impact of letting more refugees in is an increase in terrorism

I would dispute that link. You may believe this is the case, but I don't believe it is the case, esp. for the US. Our situation is different from Europe in key respects, which makes the comparison you want to make a poor one, if not totally inapplicable.

The point is: we have different beliefs and assessments of the likely effects of the proposed policies of the candidates. Having different beliefs in and of itself does not make one unpatriotic, and it is wrong and divisive to malign those who disagree with your assessments as un-American simply because you disagree with their assessments. Period.
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7/14/2016 11:49:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:18:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:15:00 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:01:05 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...


More than 30 have been killed.

If Hillary gets elected, don't expect things to get any better, she will just let in hundreds of thousands of refugees at will. At this point, if you support Hillary, you openly desire the destruction of your country.

That's ridiculous, Adam. It's partly this kind of McCarthy-esque otherizing of opposite political camps that is making it impossible for our country to unite and that is driving the hyper-partisinization of our political climate.

No, its the presence of groups that want to kill us and their enablers that makes it impossible for our country to unite.

The status quo of destroying the Middle East while simultaneously inviting millions of them into Western Countries is suicidal. Clinton is this status quo. A vote for Clinton is a vote for more attacks like this, plain and simple.


People who vote Hillary are *not* openly desiring the destruction of the US. Let's not cast millions of loyal Americans as traitors just because we viscerally hate the candidate they support.
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7/14/2016 11:52:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:49:37 PM, thett3 wrote:

Thett, I am not going to have a conversation with you on this topic. The last time I had it, you and a few others ridiculed my viewpoints to the extent that it made me feel suicidal. You may disagree with me. You have and continue to mock the perspectives of those who disagree with you on this issue. But that does not mean that I am unpatriotic or un-American, and it does not mean that you are necessarily correct.

We can agree to disagree. Please don't bother replying.
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7/14/2016 11:52:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:45:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
Isn't mass immigration great?

Imagine the sheer horror of a France that was still 90%+ French. That obviously outweighs the scores of dead

lol
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7/15/2016 12:02:24 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:47:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:40:40 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:30:47 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would dispute that, and I would dispute that the fear of terrorism ought to be ground to scrap our commitments to uphold human rights by providing asylum to legitimate refugees.

You would dispute what?

That this is a direct result of France's refugee policy.

And it is rational for countries to pursue their own interests, international law is secondary to protecting our nation from harm.

I am not talking about international law. I am talking about values. I value protecting universal human rights over caving into fears of terrorism. When our values are scrapped, our character is lost.

What about the universal human rights of the 73 people who were just slaughtered in France? Should we do nothing to help them? Also, what human rights? Are you implying there is a right to immigration?

(130,000-150,000 a year, to be precise)

I am almost certain this number is false. All the information I've seen suggests she wants to allow 65,000 refugees into the US.

This is in addition to the refugees Obama has taken in and will take in. (85,000 in 2016, 100,000 in 2017)

That's not 130,000 "a year." You make it sound like she wants to bring in that many people every year of her Presidency, which is absolutely misleading.

No it's not, she never clarified the 65,000 is in exclusion to the 85,000.

Supporting Hillary Clinton makes you responsible, and complicit in these types of deaths when they occur in our own country. That much I won't back down from.

No, it doesn't. And I would disagree that Hillary makes the US less safe from terrorism. To suggest that I would somehow vote for someone who I believed made our country less safe is absurd. You may feel like my beliefs are wrong, just as I feel yours are about Trump, but that does not make either of us responsible for the flaws of the candidates nor does it mean we choose who to support for unpatriotic reasons.

If the impact of letting more refugees in is an increase in terrorism

I would dispute that link. You may believe this is the case, but I don't believe it is the case, esp. for the US. Our situation is different from Europe in key respects, which makes the comparison you want to make a poor one, if not totally inapplicable.

So Omar Mateen wasn't from refugees? The Tsarnev brothers weren't refugees? Our case is only different from Europe because we haven't taken in as many refugees in proportion to our overall population (yet), if you and your ilk have their way, that won't be the case for long. How many attacks will it take?

The point is: we have different beliefs and assessments of the likely effects of the proposed policies of the candidates. Having different beliefs in and of itself does not make one unpatriotic, and it is wrong and divisive to malign those who disagree with your assessments as un-American simply because you disagree with their assessments. Period.
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7/15/2016 12:06:34 AM
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7/15/2016 12:06:57 AM
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"What about the universal human rights of the 73 people who were just slaughtered in France?"

That this has to be said at all is disgusting.
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7/15/2016 12:12:54 AM
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At 7/15/2016 12:02:24 AM, Objectivity wrote:
Also, what human rights? Are you implying there is a right to immigration?

I am implying that their is a right to flee wars and persecution of your rights. People like the Yazidi, against whom ISIS seeks to perpetrate a genocide, have every right to flee and to be accepted for asylum.

No it's not, she never clarified the 65,000 is in exclusion to the 85,000.

Then you're taking an opportunity to inflate numbers to make her look as bad as you think you can. That's equally intellectually dishonest and misleading.

Moreover, given the context of the information in those articles, it seemed that 65,000 was more of an upward cap. At least, that was how I read it.

If you and your ilk have their way, that won't be the case for long. How many attacks will it take?

This is where you start to otherize the opposition as un-American. I am not going to get into the policy arguments with you because that is not my interest here. My interest here is in getting you to realize that we are ALL patriotic Americans irrespective of who we vote for, and that your suggesting that those who disagree with you are anything but is not only antithetical to democratic values and our shared identity as Americans, but it starts on on a very slippery slope towards a McCarthist risk to free speech.

If anyone who votes for Hillary is anti-American, should we let them vote at all? Should we give them free speech rights? Those are the kinds of questions that reasoning will invariably lead to if taken too far down the road of otherization and polarization.

The point is: we have different beliefs and assessments of the likely effects of the proposed policies of the candidates. Having different beliefs in and of itself does not make one unpatriotic, and it is wrong and divisive to malign those who disagree with your assessments as un-American simply because you disagree with their assessments. Period.

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