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7/18/2016 3:22:15 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
For those of you who have never heard of it, "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington. In his hypothesis, Huntington argued that future wars would be fought not between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic extremism would become the biggest threat to Western world domination (http://www.nytimes.com...). The West's next big war therefore, he said, would inevitably be with Islam. He says the "post-Cold War" was most likely to occur between the world's major civilizations"identifying seven, and a possible eighth: (i) Western, (ii) Latin American, (iii) Islamic, (iv) Sinic (Chinese), (v) Hindu, (vi) Orthodox, (vii) Japanese, and (viii) African (http://contemporarythinkers.org...). Western nations will lose predominance if they fail to recognize the irreconcilable nature of cultural tensions. Huntington argued that this post-Cold War shift in geopolitical organization and structure requires the West to strengthen itself culturally, by abandoning the imposition of its ideal of democratic universalism and its incessant military interventionism.

He says this about the decline of the west: The current Western decline is a very slow process and is not an immediate threat to World powers today, decline of power does not occur in a straight line; it may reverse, speed up, or pause, and the power of a state is controlled and influenced by the behavior and decisions of those holding power.

And then this about the actual Clash between the West and Islam: the Muslim population growth has generated large numbers of unemployed and dissatisfied youth that become recruits to Islamic causes, the recent resurgence of Islam has given Muslims a reaffirmation of the relevance of Islam compared to other religions, the West's attempt to universalize values and institutions, and maintain military superiority has generated intense resentment within Muslim communities, without the common threat of communism, the West and Islam now perceive each other as enemies, and increased communication and interaction between Islam and the West has exaggerated the perceived differences between the two societies (http://www.beyondintractability.org...).

This was proposed in 1993. Those who disagree say Huntington dramatically oversimplifies a world of complexity, over-predicts conflict between civilizations at the expense of conflicts within civilizations, focuses on states, rather than separatist or terrorist groups, and is significantly worse than rival theories at predicting international conflict. However, with a reinvigorated NATO now confronting both Russian encroachments into Ukraine and ISIS militants in the Middle East, it has been suggested that the Clash isn't to be entirely dismissed anymore. In the 90's people wouldn't have predicted the current modern events. Huntington even said "Ukraine could split along its fault line into two separate entities, the eastern of which would merge with Russia." (https://www.washingtonpost.com...).

In sum, will there be a "Clash of Civilizations" in the future? Some feel that his hypothesis is finally becoming "real". Do you agree with Huntington's thesis? What do you think are the faults in it and what do you think he got right? Will there be a war between the West and Islam? A war between the West and "Orthodox"? Or will it always just be separate states competing with each other and doesn't have much to do with culture? Is he ignoring diversity too much in the West? Are there no real "distinct cultural boundaries"? No "Islamic civilization" nor a "Western civilization"? Discuss.
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7/18/2016 5:43:03 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 3:22:15 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who have never heard of it, "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington. In his hypothesis, Huntington argued that future wars would be fought not between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic extremism would become the biggest threat to Western world domination (http://www.nytimes.com...). The West's next big war therefore, he said, would inevitably be with Islam. He says the "post-Cold War" was most likely to occur between the world's major civilizations"identifying seven, and a possible eighth: (i) Western, (ii) Latin American, (iii) Islamic, (iv) Sinic (Chinese), (v) Hindu, (vi) Orthodox, (vii) Japanese, and (viii) African (http://contemporarythinkers.org...). Western nations will lose predominance if they fail to recognize the irreconcilable nature of cultural tensions. Huntington argued that this post-Cold War shift in geopolitical organization and structure requires the West to strengthen itself culturally, by abandoning the imposition of its ideal of democratic universalism and its incessant military interventionism.

He says this about the decline of the west: The current Western decline is a very slow process and is not an immediate threat to World powers today, decline of power does not occur in a straight line; it may reverse, speed up, or pause, and the power of a state is controlled and influenced by the behavior and decisions of those holding power.

And then this about the actual Clash between the West and Islam: the Muslim population growth has generated large numbers of unemployed and dissatisfied youth that become recruits to Islamic causes, the recent resurgence of Islam has given Muslims a reaffirmation of the relevance of Islam compared to other religions, the West's attempt to universalize values and institutions, and maintain military superiority has generated intense resentment within Muslim communities, without the common threat of communism, the West and Islam now perceive each other as enemies, and increased communication and interaction between Islam and the West has exaggerated the perceived differences between the two societies (http://www.beyondintractability.org...).

This was proposed in 1993. Those who disagree say Huntington dramatically oversimplifies a world of complexity, over-predicts conflict between civilizations at the expense of conflicts within civilizations, focuses on states, rather than separatist or terrorist groups, and is significantly worse than rival theories at predicting international conflict. However, with a reinvigorated NATO now confronting both Russian encroachments into Ukraine and ISIS militants in the Middle East, it has been suggested that the Clash isn't to be entirely dismissed anymore. In the 90's people wouldn't have predicted the current modern events. Huntington even said "Ukraine could split along its fault line into two separate entities, the eastern of which would merge with Russia." (https://www.washingtonpost.com...).

In sum, will there be a "Clash of Civilizations" in the future? Some feel that his hypothesis is finally becoming "real". Do you agree with Huntington's thesis? What do you think are the faults in it and what do you think he got right? Will there be a war between the West and Islam? A war between the West and "Orthodox"? Or will it always just be separate states competing with each other and doesn't have much to do with culture? Is he ignoring diversity too much in the West? Are there no real "distinct cultural boundaries"? No "Islamic civilization" nor a "Western civilization"? Discuss.

No the Clash of Civilizations is BS that doesn't actually accout for political realities and is just a new incarnation of old fashioned colonialsim.
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7/18/2016 6:15:11 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 3:22:15 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who have never heard of it, "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington. In his hypothesis, Huntington argued that future wars would be fought not between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic extremism would become the biggest threat to Western world domination (http://www.nytimes.com...). The West's next big war therefore, he said, would inevitably be with Islam. He says the "post-Cold War" was most likely to occur between the world's major civilizations"identifying seven, and a possible eighth: (i) Western, (ii) Latin American, (iii) Islamic, (iv) Sinic (Chinese), (v) Hindu, (vi) Orthodox, (vii) Japanese, and (viii) African (http://contemporarythinkers.org...). Western nations will lose predominance if they fail to recognize the irreconcilable nature of cultural tensions. Huntington argued that this post-Cold War shift in geopolitical organization and structure requires the West to strengthen itself culturally, by abandoning the imposition of its ideal of democratic universalism and its incessant military interventionism.

He says this about the decline of the west: The current Western decline is a very slow process and is not an immediate threat to World powers today, decline of power does not occur in a straight line; it may reverse, speed up, or pause, and the power of a state is controlled and influenced by the behavior and decisions of those holding power.

And then this about the actual Clash between the West and Islam: the Muslim population growth has generated large numbers of unemployed and dissatisfied youth that become recruits to Islamic causes, the recent resurgence of Islam has given Muslims a reaffirmation of the relevance of Islam compared to other religions, the West's attempt to universalize values and institutions, and maintain military superiority has generated intense resentment within Muslim communities, without the common threat of communism, the West and Islam now perceive each other as enemies, and increased communication and interaction between Islam and the West has exaggerated the perceived differences between the two societies (http://www.beyondintractability.org...).

This was proposed in 1993. Those who disagree say Huntington dramatically oversimplifies a world of complexity, over-predicts conflict between civilizations at the expense of conflicts within civilizations, focuses on states, rather than separatist or terrorist groups, and is significantly worse than rival theories at predicting international conflict. However, with a reinvigorated NATO now confronting both Russian encroachments into Ukraine and ISIS militants in the Middle East, it has been suggested that the Clash isn't to be entirely dismissed anymore. In the 90's people wouldn't have predicted the current modern events. Huntington even said "Ukraine could split along its fault line into two separate entities, the eastern of which would merge with Russia." (https://www.washingtonpost.com...).

In sum, will there be a "Clash of Civilizations" in the future? Some feel that his hypothesis is finally becoming "real". Do you agree with Huntington's thesis? What do you think are the faults in it and what do you think he got right? Will there be a war between the West and Islam? A war between the West and "Orthodox"? Or will it always just be separate states competing with each other and doesn't have much to do with culture? Is he ignoring diversity too much in the West? Are there no real "distinct cultural boundaries"? No "Islamic civilization" nor a "Western civilization"? Discuss.

In my opinion, the entire world is slowly but surely adapting to western technology, culture, and values. Likewise, as non-western countries modernise they will be able to exert an influence on the West and other countries around the world, as the anime phenomenon demonstrates. The end result will be what I call the "Global Emerging Consensus", a worldwide uniformity of technology, culture and values. Local cultures and languages will go extinct, religious piety will disappear either in favour of either blatant atheism or superficial religious practice with very little actual religious devotion, everyone will be wearing the same kinds of clothing, everyone will enjoy the same television shows, films, and video games, and so on. Regional reactionaries against this process include Islamic extremists in the Middle East and, to a lesser extent, the Russian regime under Vladimir Putin and the communist regime in China.
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7/18/2016 6:16:39 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 6:15:11 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

In my opinion, the entire world is slowly but surely adapting to western technology, culture, and values. Likewise, as non-western countries modernise they will be able to exert an influence on the West and other countries around the world, as the anime phenomenon demonstrates. The end result will be what I call the "Global Emerging Consensus", a worldwide uniformity of technology, culture and values. Local cultures and languages will go extinct, religious piety will disappear either in favour of either blatant atheism or superficial religious practice with very little actual religious devotion, everyone will be wearing the same kinds of clothing, everyone will enjoy the same television shows, films, and video games, and so on. Regional reactionaries against this process include Islamic extremists in the Middle East and, to a lesser extent, the Russian regime under Vladimir Putin and the communist regime in China.
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7/18/2016 7:31:15 PM
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At 7/18/2016 6:15:11 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/18/2016 3:22:15 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who have never heard of it, "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington. In his hypothesis, Huntington argued that future wars would be fought not between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic extremism would become the biggest threat to Western world domination (http://www.nytimes.com...). The West's next big war therefore, he said, would inevitably be with Islam. He says the "post-Cold War" was most likely to occur between the world's major civilizations"identifying seven, and a possible eighth: (i) Western, (ii) Latin American, (iii) Islamic, (iv) Sinic (Chinese), (v) Hindu, (vi) Orthodox, (vii) Japanese, and (viii) African (http://contemporarythinkers.org...). Western nations will lose predominance if they fail to recognize the irreconcilable nature of cultural tensions. Huntington argued that this post-Cold War shift in geopolitical organization and structure requires the West to strengthen itself culturally, by abandoning the imposition of its ideal of democratic universalism and its incessant military interventionism.

He says this about the decline of the west: The current Western decline is a very slow process and is not an immediate threat to World powers today, decline of power does not occur in a straight line; it may reverse, speed up, or pause, and the power of a state is controlled and influenced by the behavior and decisions of those holding power.

And then this about the actual Clash between the West and Islam: the Muslim population growth has generated large numbers of unemployed and dissatisfied youth that become recruits to Islamic causes, the recent resurgence of Islam has given Muslims a reaffirmation of the relevance of Islam compared to other religions, the West's attempt to universalize values and institutions, and maintain military superiority has generated intense resentment within Muslim communities, without the common threat of communism, the West and Islam now perceive each other as enemies, and increased communication and interaction between Islam and the West has exaggerated the perceived differences between the two societies (http://www.beyondintractability.org...).

This was proposed in 1993. Those who disagree say Huntington dramatically oversimplifies a world of complexity, over-predicts conflict between civilizations at the expense of conflicts within civilizations, focuses on states, rather than separatist or terrorist groups, and is significantly worse than rival theories at predicting international conflict. However, with a reinvigorated NATO now confronting both Russian encroachments into Ukraine and ISIS militants in the Middle East, it has been suggested that the Clash isn't to be entirely dismissed anymore. In the 90's people wouldn't have predicted the current modern events. Huntington even said "Ukraine could split along its fault line into two separate entities, the eastern of which would merge with Russia." (https://www.washingtonpost.com...).

In sum, will there be a "Clash of Civilizations" in the future? Some feel that his hypothesis is finally becoming "real". Do you agree with Huntington's thesis? What do you think are the faults in it and what do you think he got right? Will there be a war between the West and Islam? A war between the West and "Orthodox"? Or will it always just be separate states competing with each other and doesn't have much to do with culture? Is he ignoring diversity too much in the West? Are there no real "distinct cultural boundaries"? No "Islamic civilization" nor a "Western civilization"? Discuss.

In my opinion, the entire world is slowly but surely adapting to western technology, culture, and values. Likewise, as non-western countries modernise they will be able to exert an influence on the West and other countries around the world, as the anime phenomenon demonstrates. The end result will be what I call the "Global Emerging Consensus", a worldwide uniformity of technology, culture and values. Local cultures and languages will go extinct, religious piety will disappear either in favour of either blatant atheism or superficial religious practice with very little actual religious devotion, everyone will be wearing the same kinds of clothing, everyone will enjoy the same television shows, films, and video games, and so on. Regional reactionaries against this process include Islamic extremists in the Middle East and, to a lesser extent, the Russian regime under Vladimir Putin and the communist regime in China.

I agree, but I wouldn't say there will be too much cultural uniformity as long as nationalism stays strong. But there will always be reactionary movements to oppose western industrialization, as seen with radical Islam. I feel like this struggle between western industrialization and reactionaries will start happening as more countries modernize. (mainly in Africa)

Russia isn't that much of a deterrant, and Russia is quite modern. Neither is China, as they're heavily modernizing to the point where they have a ton of pollution. Though there may be a small risk from China considering they are well on their way to become a superpower some time in the near future.
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7/18/2016 8:10:03 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 7:31:15 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/18/2016 6:15:11 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/18/2016 3:22:15 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who have never heard of it, "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington. In his hypothesis, Huntington argued that future wars would be fought not between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic extremism would become the biggest threat to Western world domination (http://www.nytimes.com...). The West's next big war therefore, he said, would inevitably be with Islam. He says the "post-Cold War" was most likely to occur between the world's major civilizations"identifying seven, and a possible eighth: (i) Western, (ii) Latin American, (iii) Islamic, (iv) Sinic (Chinese), (v) Hindu, (vi) Orthodox, (vii) Japanese, and (viii) African (http://contemporarythinkers.org...). Western nations will lose predominance if they fail to recognize the irreconcilable nature of cultural tensions. Huntington argued that this post-Cold War shift in geopolitical organization and structure requires the West to strengthen itself culturally, by abandoning the imposition of its ideal of democratic universalism and its incessant military interventionism.

He says this about the decline of the west: The current Western decline is a very slow process and is not an immediate threat to World powers today, decline of power does not occur in a straight line; it may reverse, speed up, or pause, and the power of a state is controlled and influenced by the behavior and decisions of those holding power.

And then this about the actual Clash between the West and Islam: the Muslim population growth has generated large numbers of unemployed and dissatisfied youth that become recruits to Islamic causes, the recent resurgence of Islam has given Muslims a reaffirmation of the relevance of Islam compared to other religions, the West's attempt to universalize values and institutions, and maintain military superiority has generated intense resentment within Muslim communities, without the common threat of communism, the West and Islam now perceive each other as enemies, and increased communication and interaction between Islam and the West has exaggerated the perceived differences between the two societies (http://www.beyondintractability.org...).

This was proposed in 1993. Those who disagree say Huntington dramatically oversimplifies a world of complexity, over-predicts conflict between civilizations at the expense of conflicts within civilizations, focuses on states, rather than separatist or terrorist groups, and is significantly worse than rival theories at predicting international conflict. However, with a reinvigorated NATO now confronting both Russian encroachments into Ukraine and ISIS militants in the Middle East, it has been suggested that the Clash isn't to be entirely dismissed anymore. In the 90's people wouldn't have predicted the current modern events. Huntington even said "Ukraine could split along its fault line into two separate entities, the eastern of which would merge with Russia." (https://www.washingtonpost.com...).

In sum, will there be a "Clash of Civilizations" in the future? Some feel that his hypothesis is finally becoming "real". Do you agree with Huntington's thesis? What do you think are the faults in it and what do you think he got right? Will there be a war between the West and Islam? A war between the West and "Orthodox"? Or will it always just be separate states competing with each other and doesn't have much to do with culture? Is he ignoring diversity too much in the West? Are there no real "distinct cultural boundaries"? No "Islamic civilization" nor a "Western civilization"? Discuss.

In my opinion, the entire world is slowly but surely adapting to western technology, culture, and values. Likewise, as non-western countries modernise they will be able to exert an influence on the West and other countries around the world, as the anime phenomenon demonstrates. The end result will be what I call the "Global Emerging Consensus", a worldwide uniformity of technology, culture and values. Local cultures and languages will go extinct, religious piety will disappear either in favour of either blatant atheism or superficial religious practice with very little actual religious devotion, everyone will be wearing the same kinds of clothing, everyone will enjoy the same television shows, films, and video games, and so on. Regional reactionaries against this process include Islamic extremists in the Middle East and, to a lesser extent, the Russian regime under Vladimir Putin and the communist regime in China.

I agree, but I wouldn't say there will be too much cultural uniformity as long as nationalism stays strong. But there will always be reactionary movements to oppose western industrialization, as seen with radical Islam. I feel like this struggle between western industrialization and reactionaries will start happening as more countries modernize. (mainly in Africa)

Russia isn't that much of a deterrant, and Russia is quite modern. Neither is China, as they're heavily modernizing to the point where they have a ton of pollution. Though there may be a small risk from China considering they are well on their way to become a superpower some time in the near future.

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7/20/2016 4:05:30 AM
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7/20/2016 5:13:13 AM
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At 7/18/2016 3:22:15 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
For those of you who have never heard of it, "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington.

I think that Huntington was good at predicting the rise of geopolitical blocs, but I think that the reasons for the predicted supra-national cohesion goes beyond culture into geopolitics and historical conflicts. Russia, for example, is ruled much more by it's age-old geopolitical situation than by it's culture, and the legacy of the Cold War also looms large on the world stage.
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