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Difference between liberals and progressives?

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7/20/2016 1:23:27 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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This article states it pretty well
prorev.com/proglib.htm
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7/20/2016 1:25:23 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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We don't have any major party that is liberal. Both are strong supporters of government force.

Progress is relative to status-quo, and has no real inherent good or bad value.
That being said, many elements of both major parties are strongly status quo in many areas.
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7/20/2016 2:33:49 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:25:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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That being said, many elements of both major parties are strongly status quo in many areas.

Amen
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7/20/2016 6:04:10 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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So far as I understand, When someone is called or identifies as a progressive they are espousing a movement, those who are called or identify as liberal do so in reference to their political orientation.

I am not sure the distinction I am trying to make is very clear, but that's the best I can do.
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7/20/2016 6:50:46 AM
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The article previously cited by Brendan19 mostly claims that "liberals" are not as far left as "progressives," who are much closer to socialism and refuse to compromise with capitalists. Maybe, but I haven't noticed that in common usage, whether the terms "liberal" and "progressive" are used interchangeably. Liberals seem to usually prefer the "progressive" label.
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7/20/2016 7:07:18 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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I say Progressivism is the advancement in science, technology, economic development, and social organization. I guess "technically" you can be a conservative progressive, where you're a traditionalist in some parts but progressive in others. I think more often than not the Left is classified as progressive considering they advocate social and political reform. So I guess it's advancement vs. Reform. Burke would probably say some progressivism is okay, so long as it doesn't border to becoming innovation (which would be strong liberal reform).
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7/20/2016 7:21:28 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:25:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Progress is relative to status-quo, and has no real inherent good or bad value.
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7/20/2016 2:26:04 PM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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Liberalism was originally about giving people freedom in every category, both socially and economically. Over the years, the modern liberal movement took over, and it is mainly a left wing ideology. Liberals tend to be against government intervention in personal issues, and support using government force under the idea that they will do good for the people.

Progressivism began in the early 20th century, when people were fed up with corporations, and how they exploited people without regulations. The Progressives are mainly very Pro Labor Union, Pro-Regulation, and are usually more left economically than liberals are.

Basically Progressives are liberals who are more economically left, and are more likely to be of the SJW type personality.

I remember asking this exact question like 1 year ago haha
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7/20/2016 3:24:44 PM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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liberals have 1 IQ and progressives have 0.
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7/20/2016 3:41:09 PM
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At 7/20/2016 3:24:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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liberals have 1 IQ and progressives have 0.

And even those are higher than bball's.
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7/20/2016 3:44:27 PM
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At 7/20/2016 3:41:09 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/20/2016 3:24:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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nac

liberals have 1 IQ and progressives have 0.

And even those are higher than bball's.

I'm assuming you're butthurt.
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7/20/2016 3:46:51 PM
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At 7/20/2016 3:44:27 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 3:41:09 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/20/2016 3:24:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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nac

liberals have 1 IQ and progressives have 0.

And even those are higher than bball's.

I'm assuming you're butthurt.

You can assume what you please, you seem to revel in being wrong.
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7/20/2016 4:19:23 PM
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At 7/20/2016 3:24:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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nac

liberals have 1 IQ and progressives have 0.

My IQ is approximately 135.
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7/20/2016 6:04:15 PM
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At 7/20/2016 3:24:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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liberals have 1 IQ and progressives have 0.

kek
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7/20/2016 6:26:43 PM
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At 7/20/2016 2:26:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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nac

Liberalism was originally about giving people freedom in every category, both socially and economically. Over the years, the modern liberal movement took over, and it is mainly a left wing ideology. Liberals tend to be against government intervention in personal issues, and support using government force under the idea that they will do good for the people.

Progressivism began in the early 20th century, when people were fed up with corporations, and how they exploited people without regulations. The Progressives are mainly very Pro Labor Union, Pro-Regulation, and are usually more left economically than liberals are.

Basically Progressives are liberals who are more economically left, and are more likely to be of the SJW type personality.

I remember asking this exact question like 1 year ago haha

This is a perfect answer, thank you.
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7/20/2016 7:06:31 PM
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At 7/20/2016 2:33:49 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:25:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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That being said, many elements of both major parties are strongly status quo in many areas.

Amen

I know it is very easy to view it this way - there is more than enough truth to it. Problem is, we are usually looking at presidents, and senators. As you start to work down the ranks, say Jan Schakowsky or Maxine Waters, you see plenty of liberal voices.

Why is this? Well, the obvious thing is, as you become responsible for representing more people your duity becomes to represent a wider view of the electorict. Nothing really wrong with that.

Not that I am happy with the status-quo, but I am happy with the incremental change system that our system produces. The knife cuts both ways. If our policy's move in big swings, it can swing wildly to where I don't like too.
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7/20/2016 7:30:22 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 6:26:43 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/20/2016 2:26:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac

Liberalism was originally about giving people freedom in every category, both socially and economically. Over the years, the modern liberal movement took over, and it is mainly a left wing ideology. Liberals tend to be against government intervention in personal issues, and support using government force under the idea that they will do good for the people.

Progressivism began in the early 20th century, when people were fed up with corporations, and how they exploited people without regulations. The Progressives are mainly very Pro Labor Union, Pro-Regulation, and are usually more left economically than liberals are.

Basically Progressives are liberals who are more economically left, and are more likely to be of the SJW type personality.

I remember asking this exact question like 1 year ago haha

This is a perfect answer, thank you.

No problem, I literally asked the same question in the forums like exactly 1 year ago haha
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7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.
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7/20/2016 7:47:07 PM
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At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

That's dumb. I don't see any negative connotation to the word liberal, except used as dumba$$es like Bill o reilly or something, of which case they just embarrass themselves...
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7/20/2016 7:58:21 PM
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At 7/20/2016 7:47:07 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

That's dumb. I don't see any negative connotation to the word liberal, except used as dumba$$es like Bill o reilly or something, of which case they just embarrass themselves...
Actually, there is a negative connotation to the word "liberal." Just think of all the insults and negative words that are associated with "liberal." Hippie, moonbat, cuck, libtard, and the list goes on . . .

Also, "progressive" is a much more appealing word, regardless of whether or not the word "liberal" holds a negative connotation. It makes more sense for liberals to brand themselves as such instead of the old and boring term "liberal."
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7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM
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At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes
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7/20/2016 9:42:49 PM
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At 7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes.
Okay, perhaps there are differences between the two terms; however, there most certainly aren't serious differences between them. This is because the two words are synonymous (according to various thesauruses), meaning they are either exactly the same or nearly the same in meaning.
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7/20/2016 9:48:24 PM
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At 7/20/2016 9:42:49 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes.
Okay, perhaps there are differences between the two terms; however, there most certainly aren't serious differences between them. This is because the two words are synonymous (according to various thesauruses), meaning they are either exactly the same or nearly the same in meaning.

To be be fair, there are liberals I would classify as progressives, however there are many more I would not classify as progressives. So they can be synonymous, but it depends who you ask and the overall context.
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7/20/2016 9:53:55 PM
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At 7/20/2016 9:48:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:42:49 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes.
Okay, perhaps there are differences between the two terms; however, there most certainly aren't serious differences between them. This is because the two words are synonymous (according to various thesauruses), meaning they are either exactly the same or nearly the same in meaning.

To be be fair, there are liberals I would classify as progressives, however there are many more I would not classify as progressives. So they can be synonymous, but it depends who you ask and the overall context.
Okay, I could agree with that, but just out of curiosity, what are some of the differences between liberals and progressives (aside from what you just mentioned above)?
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7/21/2016 1:19:12 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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American liberals would be more conservative than the conservative party in almost every other modern free nation. American progressives are about as conservative as the conservative party in almost any other modern free nation.
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7/21/2016 1:47:26 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
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Liberals practice racism per low expectations. Progressives are openly racist.
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7/21/2016 2:32:04 AM
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At 7/20/2016 9:53:55 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:48:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:42:49 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes.
Okay, perhaps there are differences between the two terms; however, there most certainly aren't serious differences between them. This is because the two words are synonymous (according to various thesauruses), meaning they are either exactly the same or nearly the same in meaning.

To be be fair, there are liberals I would classify as progressives, however there are many more I would not classify as progressives. So they can be synonymous, but it depends who you ask and the overall context.
Okay, I could agree with that, but just out of curiosity, what are some of the differences between liberals and progressives (aside from what you just mentioned above)?

http://prorev.com...
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7/21/2016 3:10:56 AM
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At 7/21/2016 2:32:04 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:53:55 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:48:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:42:49 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes.
Okay, perhaps there are differences between the two terms; however, there most certainly aren't serious differences between them. This is because the two words are synonymous (according to various thesauruses), meaning they are either exactly the same or nearly the same in meaning.

To be be fair, there are liberals I would classify as progressives, however there are many more I would not classify as progressives. So they can be synonymous, but it depends who you ask and the overall context.
Okay, I could agree with that, but just out of curiosity, what are some of the differences between liberals and progressives (aside from what you just mentioned above)?

http://prorev.com...

Thats progressive propaganda
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7/21/2016 3:15:15 AM
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At 7/21/2016 3:10:56 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/21/2016 2:32:04 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:53:55 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:48:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:42:49 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 8:47:44 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:42:47 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:12:40 AM, Hayd wrote:
^

nac
"Progressive" is just a fancy name for a liberal.

Now that the word "liberal" is pretty much used as an insult (kind of like "fascist" is), the leftists had to find a new term to describe themselves.

No, there are serious differences between the two. Liberals support minor modifications to the system and look to find a balance between equality and liberty. Progressives prioritize equality viewing it as a prerequisite for liberty and support systemic changes.
Okay, perhaps there are differences between the two terms; however, there most certainly aren't serious differences between them. This is because the two words are synonymous (according to various thesauruses), meaning they are either exactly the same or nearly the same in meaning.

To be be fair, there are liberals I would classify as progressives, however there are many more I would not classify as progressives. So they can be synonymous, but it depends who you ask and the overall context.
Okay, I could agree with that, but just out of curiosity, what are some of the differences between liberals and progressives (aside from what you just mentioned above)?

http://prorev.com...

Thats progressive propaganda

That disparages liberals. It's progressives distinguishing themselves from liberals