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7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.
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7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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7/22/2016 4:34:58 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

But Hillary will be giving a speech.

(Giggle)

(Bronto scampers off into the weeds to use his Hillary toilet paper.)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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7/22/2016 4:49:00 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.

Ivanka knocked it out of the park. Trump... More of the same. Fear, fear, everything sucks - make America great.

He picked-up zero votes. Ivank scares the hell out of me. She is GREAT and could have flipped a bunch of votes.
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7/22/2016 6:36:02 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I actually liked the part where he praised the audience for supporting gays.
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7/22/2016 9:52:17 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.

This is a trend in politics apparently...
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7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 4:49:00 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.

Ivanka knocked it out of the park. Trump... More of the same. Fear, fear, everything sucks - make America great.

He picked-up zero votes. Ivank scares the hell out of me. She is GREAT and could have flipped a bunch of votes.

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.
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7/22/2016 1:13:04 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

Both Ivanka and Donald did an amazing job in my opinion. Trump is atleast smart to moderate his stance on the muslim ban to "ban immigrants from terrorist harboring countries"
"In Guns We Trust" Tajshar2k
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7/22/2016 1:28:55 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 1:13:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

Both Ivanka and Donald did an amazing job in my opinion. Trump is atleast smart to moderate his stance on the muslim ban to "ban immigrants from terrorist harboring countries"

Why is that smart? The female San Bernardino shooter was from Saudi Arabia a country that is not classified as harboring terrorists.

Omar Mateen's parents immigrated from Afghanistan in 1980, which would have been right after war with Soviets. Afghanistan would not have been recognized as harboring terrorists then, although Libya would have been.

We all know that Trump his highly critical of taking out Gaddafi who's intelligence service is implicated in the bombing of Pan Am 103 where scores of Americans were murdered, many of them high schoolers.

I don't think anyone on the Republican side has a clue on how to stop these one off terror murders in the US.
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7/22/2016 1:33:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 1:13:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

Both Ivanka and Donald did an amazing job in my opinion. Trump is atleast smart to moderate his stance on the muslim ban to "ban immigrants from terrorist harboring countries"

Countries lie Belgium,France, Germany, UK etc. etc?
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7/22/2016 1:34:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 1:28:55 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 1:13:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

Both Ivanka and Donald did an amazing job in my opinion. Trump is atleast smart to moderate his stance on the muslim ban to "ban immigrants from terrorist harboring countries"

Why is that smart? The female San Bernardino shooter was from Saudi Arabia a country that is not classified as harboring terrorists.


Omar Mateen's parents immigrated from Afghanistan in 1980, which would have been right after war with Soviets. Afghanistan would not have been recognized as harboring terrorists then, although Libya would have been.

We all know that Trump his highly critical of taking out Gaddafi who's intelligence service is implicated in the bombing of Pan Am 103 where scores of Americans were murdered, many of them high schoolers.

I don't think anyone on the Republican side has a clue on how to stop these one off terror murders in the US.

It's smart in the sense that focusing on terrorist harboring countries, is better than saying you will put a blanket ban on all muslims. You aren't trying to blame all muslims anymore.
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7/22/2016 1:48:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 1:34:38 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/22/2016 1:28:55 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 1:13:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

Both Ivanka and Donald did an amazing job in my opinion. Trump is atleast smart to moderate his stance on the muslim ban to "ban immigrants from terrorist harboring countries"

Why is that smart? The female San Bernardino shooter was from Saudi Arabia a country that is not classified as harboring terrorists.



Omar Mateen's parents immigrated from Afghanistan in 1980, which would have been right after war with Soviets. Afghanistan would not have been recognized as harboring terrorists then, although Libya would have been.

We all know that Trump his highly critical of taking out Gaddafi who's intelligence service is implicated in the bombing of Pan Am 103 where scores of Americans were murdered, many of them high schoolers.

I don't think anyone on the Republican side has a clue on how to stop these one off terror murders in the US.

It's smart in the sense that focusing on terrorist harboring countries, is better than saying you will put a blanket ban on all muslims. You aren't trying to blame all muslims anymore.

Yeah but it doesn't make anyone safer. The Republican party doesn't have a clue on the importance of being able to identify the true enemy nor policy designed to create environments which disincentive radicalization. Even the token Muslim for Trump in an interview with CNN after he closed the second day acknowledged that the home environment of oppression and jobs helps create the incubation of radicals. That very notion was ridiculed when it came out of Obama's mouth.

In short it sounds like a marketing ploy to capture independent votes rather than keeping anyone safe. A chechnyan who would do us harm just has to go home to Russia and get a tourist visa to attack us if they had no vettable history.
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7/22/2016 2:16:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Ivanka was great, as was expected. Trump's family is a HUGE plus for him. They all gave great speeches, even Melania's was great minus the plagiarized part.

Trump's speech was spot-on, and I'm by no means a Trump fanboy. His expose of Clinton's foreign policy gaffs was particularly telling:

"Libya was cooperating. Egypt was peaceful. Iraq was seeing a reduction in violence. Iran was being choked by sanctions. Syria was under control. After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the world. Libya is in ruins, and our Ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. Iraq is in chaos.
Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis that now threatens the West. After fifteen years of wars in the Middle East, after trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost, the situation is worse than it has ever been before. This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction and weakness."


The best part is that it was all indisputable facts. About the only thing anyone can question with this section of the speech is Clinton's actual level of involvement, but even that is a hard stretch to claim since she was Secretary of State and has to own these facts.

The speech was still weak on actual plans of action, but I really think it's enough to simply lay out the corruptness, hypocrisy, and ineptitude of Clinton as Secretary of State. If he just sticks to this line for the rest of the campaign and doesn't trip over his own tongue, he'll do fine. Granted that's a big IF.
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7/22/2016 2:16:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 1:28:55 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 1:13:04 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

Both Ivanka and Donald did an amazing job in my opinion. Trump is atleast smart to moderate his stance on the muslim ban to "ban immigrants from terrorist harboring countries"

Why is that smart? The female San Bernardino shooter was from Saudi Arabia a country that is not classified as harboring terrorists.

Omar Mateen's parents immigrated from Afghanistan in 1980, which would have been right after war with Soviets. Afghanistan would not have been recognized as harboring terrorists then, although Libya would have been.

We all know that Trump his highly critical of taking out Gaddafi who's intelligence service is implicated in the bombing of Pan Am 103 where scores of Americans were murdered, many of them high schoolers.

I don't think anyone on the Republican side has a clue on how to stop these one off terror murders in the US.

Then maybe we should stop be retarded about what countries we consider as harboring terrorists. It's not rocket science; look for countries with strong revivalist movements. Boom. Done.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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7/22/2016 2:23:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:49:00 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.

Ivanka knocked it out of the park. Trump... More of the same. Fear, fear, everything sucks - make America great.

He picked-up zero votes. Ivank scares the hell out of me. She is GREAT and could have flipped a bunch of votes.

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.
Yup. Exactly.


I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

She delivered a message to independents, and democrats willing to flip. It was a flawless delivery, on message, and to a NEW voter group. She was, without a doubt, the most successful speech of the convention.

She should wait for Trump to loose, switch sides, and get elected to the house in a blink - she was that good.
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7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:49:00 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.

Ivanka knocked it out of the park. Trump... More of the same. Fear, fear, everything sucks - make America great.

He picked-up zero votes. Ivank scares the hell out of me. She is GREAT and could have flipped a bunch of votes.

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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7/22/2016 7:03:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:49:00 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:51:48 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:42:31 AM, YYW wrote:
Donald Trump has officially changed the presidency, the GOP, and the country... probably forever.

That is the best convention speech I have ever head.

I'm watching Ivanka's now. It's absolutely killer.

Ivanka knocked it out of the park. Trump... More of the same. Fear, fear, everything sucks - make America great.

He picked-up zero votes. Ivank scares the hell out of me. She is GREAT and could have flipped a bunch of votes.

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.

I live in TX and know plenty of conservatives. I have yet to meet one that is supportive to doing something for the wage gap between men and women as Ivanka said her father would do.
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7/22/2016 7:16:34 PM
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So the wage gap exists now? Trump certainly thinks so, I'm interested to see what the Trumpettes have to set about that.
"We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." -MLK Jr
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7/22/2016 7:20:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:03:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.

I live in TX and know plenty of conservatives. I have yet to meet one that is supportive to doing something for the wage gap between men and women as Ivanka said her father would do.

Were you not listening to the same speech? She said that the real wage gap is not between men and women, it's between married mothers and single women. She shifted the discussion to a defense of motherhood, which definitely has traction on the right.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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7/22/2016 7:29:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:20:48 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:03:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.

I live in TX and know plenty of conservatives. I have yet to meet one that is supportive to doing something for the wage gap between men and women as Ivanka said her father would do.

Were you not listening to the same speech? She said that the real wage gap is not between men and women, it's between married mothers and single women. She shifted the discussion to a defense of motherhood, which definitely has traction on the right.

"Women represent 46 percent of the total US labor force, and 40 percent of American households have female primary breadwinners. In 2014, women made 83 cents for every dollar earned by a man. Single women without children earned 94 cents, whereas married mothers made only 77 cents."
"We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." -MLK Jr
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7/22/2016 7:32:04 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:20:48 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:03:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.

I live in TX and know plenty of conservatives. I have yet to meet one that is supportive to doing something for the wage gap between men and women as Ivanka said her father would do.

Were you not listening to the same speech? She said that the real wage gap is not between men and women, it's between married mothers and single women. She shifted the discussion to a defense of motherhood, which definitely has traction on the right.

The same argument applies it is not an apples to apples comparison. Women with years on the work force are of course going to get paid more due to experience and promotions than someone who just enters the workforce or is on the fringes of it working part time.

Are you going to support Trump when he suggests banning stay at home moms to close the wage gap between women?

Let me ask you this. What level of gov intervention are you and other conservatives going to tolerate to close the wage gap between stay at home moms and working women? My wife stays at home so if you want to throw a tx credit our way, I'll gladly shut up.

I guess the party of small gov is no longer for small gov, huh?
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7/22/2016 7:38:51 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:29:34 PM, bhakun wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:20:48 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:03:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.

I live in TX and know plenty of conservatives. I have yet to meet one that is supportive to doing something for the wage gap between men and women as Ivanka said her father would do.

Were you not listening to the same speech? She said that the real wage gap is not between men and women, it's between married mothers and single women. She shifted the discussion to a defense of motherhood, which definitely has traction on the right.

"Women represent 46 percent of the total US labor force, and 40 percent of American households have female primary breadwinners. In 2014, women made 83 cents for every dollar earned by a man. Single women without children earned 94 cents, whereas married mothers made only 77 cents."

Why don't you quote the line? Oh, wait, that would be intellectually honest. What was I thinking!

'As researchers have noted, gender is no longer the factor creating the greatest wage discrepancy in this country, motherhood is.'
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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7/22/2016 7:46:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:32:04 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:20:48 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:03:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:23:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/22/2016 12:22:56 PM, slo1 wrote:

That is the idea to get the women vote. Expect more pandering to women to get their vote despite about everything she supported about women's rights is probably in a Democratic platform.

I mean really, quote the wage gap between previous stay at home moms and men to a Republican they will call you a socialist for trying to institute gov controls around an issue that is explained. The metric between moms and men is not an apple to apple comparison because moms who reenter the work force after many years usually start back at entry level jobs.

It is just mind blowing to hear people clapping for concepts they really don't support.

You don't know many people on the right then. One of the biggest complaints against modern feminism is that belittles and sidelines motherhood. Ivanka hit that nail square on the head, and evoked an image of older, domestic feminism fused with second wave, iron lady career woman feminism that will appeal immensely to the women who are sick to death of the modern inspiration. Many of these women are either in the center or on the right, and the groundwork has already been set on the right for a revival of the older, more sane schools of feminist thought.

I live in TX and know plenty of conservatives. I have yet to meet one that is supportive to doing something for the wage gap between men and women as Ivanka said her father would do.

Were you not listening to the same speech? She said that the real wage gap is not between men and women, it's between married mothers and single women. She shifted the discussion to a defense of motherhood, which definitely has traction on the right.

The same argument applies it is not an apples to apples comparison. Women with years on the work force are of course going to get paid more due to experience and promotions than someone who just enters the workforce or is on the fringes of it working part time.

Are you going to support Trump when he suggests banning stay at home moms to close the wage gap between women?

Let me ask you this. What level of gov intervention are you and other conservatives going to tolerate to close the wage gap between stay at home moms and working women? My wife stays at home so if you want to throw a tx credit our way, I'll gladly shut up.

I guess the party of small gov is no longer for small gov, huh?

Yes, that's part of what Trump stands for. He was castigated during the primary for suggesting that the government has a responsibility to take care of the vulnerable. That's been his platform the entire time, it's why Cruzites despise him. He flaunts the small government orthodoxy.

This primary showed that the 'small government' line isn't something that the Republican base believes.
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7/22/2016 8:11:47 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:46:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

This primary showed that the 'small government' line isn't something that the Republican base believes.


This, along with the acceptance of gays when Trump praised the crowd for accepting gays.

Trump is rebranding the Republican party, and it is driving the hardcore Democrat's cognitive dissonance into overdrive.
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7/22/2016 8:17:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:32:04 PM, slo1 wrote:
The same argument applies it is not an apples to apples comparison. Women with years on the work force are of course going to get paid more due to experience and promotions than someone who just enters the workforce or is on the fringes of it working part time.

Are you going to support Trump when he suggests banning stay at home moms to close the wage gap between women?

Let me ask you this. What level of gov intervention are you and other conservatives going to tolerate to close the wage gap between stay at home moms and working women? My wife stays at home so if you want to throw a tx credit our way, I'll gladly shut up.

I guess the party of small gov is no longer for small gov, huh?
No longer? You act like this is a new development.
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7/22/2016 8:26:06 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 8:11:47 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:46:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

This primary showed that the 'small government' line isn't something that the Republican base believes.


This, along with the acceptance of gays when Trump praised the crowd for accepting gays.

Trump is rebranding the Republican party, and it is driving the hardcore Democrat's cognitive dissonance into overdrive.

It hurts Erik Erickson types far worse.
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7/22/2016 8:29:47 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 8:26:06 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 8:11:47 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:46:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

This primary showed that the 'small government' line isn't something that the Republican base believes.


This, along with the acceptance of gays when Trump praised the crowd for accepting gays.

Trump is rebranding the Republican party, and it is driving the hardcore Democrat's cognitive dissonance into overdrive.

It hurts Erik Erickson types far worse.
You wish.

Republicans actually are not as selfish as you have been indoctrinated to believe.
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7/22/2016 9:00:51 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 8:17:01 PM, someloser wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:32:04 PM, slo1 wrote:
The same argument applies it is not an apples to apples comparison. Women with years on the work force are of course going to get paid more due to experience and promotions than someone who just enters the workforce or is on the fringes of it working part time.

Are you going to support Trump when he suggests banning stay at home moms to close the wage gap between women?

Let me ask you this. What level of gov intervention are you and other conservatives going to tolerate to close the wage gap between stay at home moms and working women? My wife stays at home so if you want to throw a tx credit our way, I'll gladly shut up.

I guess the party of small gov is no longer for small gov, huh?
No longer? You act like this is a new development.

Fair point.