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Most people behave like libertarians.

HandsOff
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7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?
Mister_K
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7/22/2016 8:16:41 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
You know, that is pretty true for at least social issues I guess. I would probably never do anything about any of the situations you mentioned. Although, it could all just come down to apathy. Even if you feel very strongly about something, getting up and doing something about it takes a lot more effort than just complaining to a friend or something, haha.

Plus, I think most people make a strong effort to get along with neighbors just because life is easier when people get along and reporting on someone could result in retaliation. For example I could complain about my neighbor smoking pot but they could complain that I play music too loud or have more pets than my town's ordinance allows.
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7/23/2016 5:39:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change.
That's not a good analogy for welfare, assuming this was your intention. Welfare is aimed at helping the needy. If you're not needy, you wouldn't ask your neighbours for money; conversely, if you are, you might very well ask them for assistance.
We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window.
Well, I have no idea what marijuana smells like, so no, I wouldn't call the police. However, if I knew what marijuana smelt like and I smelt if from my neighbour's window, I would report it.
We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money.
That's not a good analogy for progressive taxation. I fully support progressive taxation because of its societal benefits. By smoothing out income inequality, childrens' access to education is more equitable and this facilitates social mobility in the long run.
We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion.
Well, I don't do it because a) we don't have driveways here, we live in apartments, b) I don't think there are any young women living on the same floor, and c) I wouldn't know someone's going to get an abortion anyhow. However, if I knew someone who wanted to get an abortion, I would do all I can to dissuade her. I would not block her physically simply because I have no mandate to do compel her into not doing anything; the government, however, has this mandate, and thus I support them in barring people from abortion.
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7/23/2016 9:51:06 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?

So I take it when your friend wants you to help him move, you make him pay you. And you only hold the door open for people when they give you money?
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7/23/2016 10:32:11 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 9:51:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?

So I take it when your friend wants you to help him move, you make him pay you. And you only hold the door open for people when they give you money?

I think you are being intellectually dishonest.

Libertarians are not against that at all. We just don't believe the government should be enforcing it. If you want to help your friend, go ahead.

Libertarianism is a pure political philosophy, not a personal one.
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7/23/2016 10:34:44 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 9:51:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?

So I take it when your friend wants you to help him move, you make him pay you. And you only hold the door open for people when they give you money?

Also, keep in mind there is something called Libertarian Socialism. Socialism that is voluntary.
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BrendanD19
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7/23/2016 10:41:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 10:32:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/23/2016 9:51:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?

So I take it when your friend wants you to help him move, you make him pay you. And you only hold the door open for people when they give you money?

I think you are being intellectually dishonest.

Libertarians are not against that at all. We just don't believe the government should be enforcing it. If you want to help your friend, go ahead.

Libertarianism is a pure political philosophy, not a personal one.

Well I was critiquing HandsOff's position, not Libertarianism as a whole
BrendanD19
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7/23/2016 10:42:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 10:34:44 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/23/2016 9:51:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?

So I take it when your friend wants you to help him move, you make him pay you. And you only hold the door open for people when they give you money?

Also, keep in mind there is something called Libertarian Socialism. Socialism that is voluntary.

Well really it's more of a decentralized, self managed form of socialism, rather than a voluntary system.
triangle.128k
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7/24/2016 8:23:53 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 10:34:44 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/23/2016 9:51:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 4:37:25 AM, HandsOff wrote:
We don't bother our neighbors for spare change. We don't call the police when we smell marijuana coming from our neighbor's window. We don't think our neighbors should pay lower homeowner's association dues than we do, just be cause they make less money. We don't block our neighbor's driveway when we learn they have an appointment to get an abortion. Republicans and democrats tend to mind their own business and keep their hands to themselves in their daily lives. It's not until they slither into a voting booth that they find it appropriate to control one another's lives and money. What gives?

So I take it when your friend wants you to help him move, you make him pay you. And you only hold the door open for people when they give you money?

Also, keep in mind there is something called Libertarian Socialism. Socialism that is voluntary.

Any form of socialism takes away individual economic freedom, thus Libertarian Socialism isn't too "libertarian" on an individual scale. Essentially, I find socialism leads to more authoritarianism unintentionally.