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7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.
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7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.
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7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Don't vote for that pseudo fascist. Vote Green
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7/24/2016 1:06:33 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Vote Libertarian. Polling at 13%, and only need 2% more to get on the national stage.
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7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Don't vote for that pseudo fascist. Vote Green

I wish I could applaud and encourage your zeal for the Green party, I just can't.

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.
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7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.
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7/24/2016 2:28:15 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Don't vote for that pseudo fascist. Vote Green
That is more likely what I will do, considering the allegations that are being brought against Trump in a Huffington Post article. I don't wanna post the specifics, and spread hearsay in the case that the allegations aren't true, but what I read has made me cautious about even considering voting for him.
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7/24/2016 2:31:01 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 1:06:33 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Vote Libertarian. Polling at 13%, and only need 2% more to get on the national stage.
That is a possibility too. Libertarian or Green. I am not confident at all in voting for Trump.
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7/24/2016 3:20:25 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 2:31:01 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:06:33 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Vote Libertarian. Polling at 13%, and only need 2% more to get on the national stage.
That is a possibility too. Libertarian or Green. I am not confident at all in voting for Trump.

If you are a progressive then You whould go green rather than vote libertarian
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7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then your an idiot
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7/24/2016 3:22:09 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Don't vote for that pseudo fascist. Vote Green

I wish I could applaud and encourage your zeal for the Green party, I just can't.

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

Nader did not cost gore the election, don't believe me, then ASK AL GORE! Al Gore contends that he actually won and it wasn't Naders fault.
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7/24/2016 4:10:40 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then your an idiot
Hillary isn't anything. But she is the left's "big candidate" as the Dem nominee.
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7/24/2016 4:23:40 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Also included in the now infamous leak is the approval of fake advertisements depicting Donald Drumpf groping a woman underneath a table. This lessens my support for the Democratic Party and makes me skeptical of any sexist assertions the Democratic Party directs against Drumpf moving forward, especially after Ivanka's powerful RNC speech.
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7/24/2016 4:27:37 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

If it keeps happening perhaps then our government will have to acknowledge that the first past the post system is flawed. I'm kidding the powers that be will never consider that.
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7/24/2016 4:36:20 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:27:37 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

If it keeps happening perhaps then our government will have to acknowledge that the first past the post system is flawed. I'm kidding the powers that be will never consider that.

We have brushed on this in the past. Its nice to push for what you believe in, accept no watered down candidate, but its just not healthy for the nation. Right or left, insisting on a president to be an extreme is how you get Trump.
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7/24/2016 4:40:33 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:36:20 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:27:37 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

If it keeps happening perhaps then our government will have to acknowledge that the first past the post system is flawed. I'm kidding the powers that be will never consider that.

We have brushed on this in the past. Its nice to push for what you believe in, accept no watered down candidate, but its just not healthy for the nation. Right or left, insisting on a president to be an extreme is how you get Trump.

I wouldn't consider Bernie extreme, unless being the only honest candidate running is extreme. The 2 party system has failed when it produces goons like Trump AND Hillary. The primary system is designed to elected the most extreme party purist in the primary then try to make them seem moderate on the national stage.
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7/24/2016 4:41:05 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 3:22:09 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Don't vote for that pseudo fascist. Vote Green

I wish I could applaud and encourage your zeal for the Green party, I just can't.

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

Nader did not cost gore the election, don't believe me, then ASK AL GORE! Al Gore contends that he actually won and it wasn't Naders fault.

Well, lots went into Gore losing (not losing), but Nader sure as he11 cost Florida. Make no mistake, had he not run, we would never had Bush.

Nader pushed the narrative " they are both the same ". That is demonstrably false. I got to meet Nader - he is an arrogant prick, he pushed this crap and he knew better.
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7/24/2016 4:42:58 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:40:33 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:36:20 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:27:37 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

If it keeps happening perhaps then our government will have to acknowledge that the first past the post system is flawed. I'm kidding the powers that be will never consider that.

We have brushed on this in the past. Its nice to push for what you believe in, accept no watered down candidate, but its just not healthy for the nation. Right or left, insisting on a president to be an extreme is how you get Trump.

I wouldn't consider Bernie extreme, unless being the only honest candidate running is extreme. The 2 party system has failed when it produces goons like Trump AND Hillary. The primary system is designed to elected the most extreme party purist in the primary then try to make them seem moderate on the national stage.

This has nothing to do with if you or I see Bernie as extreme, it is about the body of the electorate, He is extreme to the majority at this time.
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7/24/2016 4:49:16 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:42:58 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:40:33 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:36:20 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:27:37 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

If it keeps happening perhaps then our government will have to acknowledge that the first past the post system is flawed. I'm kidding the powers that be will never consider that.

We have brushed on this in the past. Its nice to push for what you believe in, accept no watered down candidate, but its just not healthy for the nation. Right or left, insisting on a president to be an extreme is how you get Trump.

I wouldn't consider Bernie extreme, unless being the only honest candidate running is extreme. The 2 party system has failed when it produces goons like Trump AND Hillary. The primary system is designed to elected the most extreme party purist in the primary then try to make them seem moderate on the national stage.

This has nothing to do with if you or I see Bernie as extreme, it is about the body of the electorate, He is extreme to the majority at this time.

So is Trump, but being seen as 'extreme' didn't help Bernie. But it's already been revealed how much the DNC rigged the primaries, so perhaps the electorate would have voted for Bernie instead of Clinton. Trump v Sanders, now that's a battle of extremes I could approve of.
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7/24/2016 4:55:31 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 3:20:25 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 2:31:01 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:06:33 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Vote Libertarian. Polling at 13%, and only need 2% more to get on the national stage.
That is a possibility too. Libertarian or Green. I am not confident at all in voting for Trump.

If you are a progressive then You would go green rather than vote libertarian
I am entirely Independent - never know who i'm gonna vote for till the day I vote. I'm Progressive on some issues and Libertarian on others.
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7/24/2016 4:57:16 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:41:05 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:22:09 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:22:30 AM, TBR wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:57:32 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 7/23/2016 11:43:20 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Emails obtained by Russian government hackers and released by Wikileaks show that the Democratic National Committee (DNC), led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supported the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. They showed showed DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion, and Democratic Party head Debbie Wasserman Schultz described a Sanders' representative as a "damn liar" (http://www.aljazeera.com...). The emails showed the DNC and Schultz becoming increasingly agitated with Sanders, and tried to undermine his position. During the primary battle, Sanders and his supporters accused both the party and Wasserman Schultz of putting their thumb on the scale for Clinton and these emails may indicate support for those allegations (http://abcnews.go.com...). Of course, Schultz's dislike for Sanders no doubt stemmed from when he said, if elected president, he would not reappoint Wasserman Schultz as the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

The emails detail how bitter the relationship became, as the senator emerged as a real threat to Clinton "the Democratic establishment's pick" and refused to abandon his bid as it became clear she was going to win. Sanders's supporters are crucial to Democratic hopes in the fall "both for the passion they bring to the contest, and for the vast amounts of money they are capable of raising". Other emails also detailed how donors are rewarded with access to parties and free tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com...). "It could threaten their agreement," one Democrat said to CNN, referring to the deal reached between Clinton and Sanders about the convention, delegates and the DNC. The party had agreed to include more progressive principles in its official platform, and as part of the agreement, Sanders dropped his fight to contest Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC (http://www.cnn.com...).

Of course Trump jumped on this as soon as he could saying, ""Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED." Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his team was "disappointed" by the emails. "Someone does have to be held accountable," Weaver said during an interview with ABC News. "We spent 48 hours of public attention worrying about who in the [Donald] Trump campaign was going to be held responsible for the fact that some lines of Mrs. Obama's speech were taken by Mrs. Trump. Someone in the DNC needs to be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign." By "responsible", he is of course referring to Schultz. (http://abcnews.go.com...). Influential UC Berkeley professor Robert Reich calls on the DNC to fire Schultz. Reich said the emails clearly show the DNC tried to sandbag Bernie"s campaign," and said, "Hillary should fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Now. Don"t wait until next week to replace her." (http://www.mediaite.com...).

With the DNC days away, how will this affect the already contentious election? Will Sander's Supporters begin to trail to Trump's side after this? Should Schultz be fired? Is this surprising to you or did you see this coming? Will Hillary's support, mainly the trust in her, be undermined because of this? Will this cause any significant changes, or could it possibly further cause a Democratic party split? Discuss.

As sad as it is for me to admit this, I am considering voting for Trump, because Hillary and her cronies are so dishonest. I was a Bernie supporter, who supported every aspect of his platform other than a federal raise in the minimum wage to $15 / hour. I knew it would need to pass thru congress in order to be implemented, so I wasn't worried about it actually transpiring though.

Don't vote for that pseudo fascist. Vote Green

I wish I could applaud and encourage your zeal for the Green party, I just can't.

You know I have issues with Clinton, hell I will not be voting for her, but all it takes is ONE instance like happened in 2000 to let you know how bad sh1t can get. We suffered the pain of Bush because of this sort of crap, and it is not possible to live with it again.

Nader did not cost gore the election, don't believe me, then ASK AL GORE! Al Gore contends that he actually won and it wasn't Naders fault.

Well, lots went into Gore losing (not losing), but Nader sure as he11 cost Florida. Make no mistake, had he not run, we would never had Bush.

Nader pushed the narrative " they are both the same ". That is demonstrably false. I got to meet Nader - he is an arrogant prick, he pushed this crap and he knew better.

You do realize that two independent university studies concluded Gore was the winner in Florida and that had the Supreme Court not interfered he would have been president, right?
And you do realize in addition to the Supreme Court there were many many many issues surrounding the 2000 election. Florida"s Republican secretary of state improperly purged thousands of Democratic voters from the rolls, faulty ballots in several Florida counties cost Gore thousands of votes votes, 250,000 Florida Democrats voted for Bush, Gore lost his home state of Tennessee and then president Bill Clinton"s home state of Arkansas, where Clinton was still very popular.
If we ignore all of that, the. Maybe it could be argued Nader cost gore the election, however even then we need to realize that many Nader votes chose Nader over Gore because of this guy named Joe Lieberman. So if Gore wanted to win, maybe he should have chosen George Mitchell instead.
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7/24/2016 4:58:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:10:40 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then your an idiot
Hillary isn't anything. But she is the left's "big candidate" as the Dem nominee.

Ha! You think the democrats are a left wing party!
They are only left comparatively to the GOP. In reality they're a centrist party with a left wing faction, not a left wing party with a centrist faction.
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7/24/2016 5:26:57 AM
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At 7/24/2016 4:23:40 AM, dtaylor971 wrote:
Also included in the now infamous leak is the approval of fake advertisements depicting Donald Drumpf groping a woman underneath a table. This lessens my support for the Democratic Party and makes me skeptical of any sexist assertions the Democratic Party directs against Drumpf moving forward, especially after Ivanka's powerful RNC speech.

I can't believe that lame John Oliver meme is still being used. Just call him "Trump" for goodness' sake.
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7/24/2016 5:55:23 AM
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At 7/24/2016 5:26:57 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:23:40 AM, dtaylor971 wrote:
Also included in the now infamous leak is the approval of fake advertisements depicting Donald Drumpf groping a woman underneath a table. This lessens my support for the Democratic Party and makes me skeptical of any sexist assertions the Democratic Party directs against Drumpf moving forward, especially after Ivanka's powerful RNC speech.

I can't believe that lame John Oliver meme is still being used. Just call him "Trump" for goodness' sake.

John Oliver's memes should live on. Some one had to pick up the torch John Stewart left. Almost every one of his episodes is on point and brings up an issue of everyday life not considered by many yet has major impacts on society.
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7/24/2016 7:33:34 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then you're an idiot

At least he can spell correctly.
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7/24/2016 7:41:51 AM
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At 7/24/2016 4:58:49 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:10:40 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then your an idiot
Hillary isn't anything. But she is the left's "big candidate" as the Dem nominee.

Ha! You think the democrats are a left wing party!
They are only left comparatively to the GOP. In reality they're a centrist party with a left wing faction, not a left wing party with a centrist faction.

The GOP would be considered left wing in countries like Saudi Arabia. The democrats generally are considered left wing in American politics.
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7/24/2016 6:18:44 PM
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It has been announced that Schultz will not speak at or preside over the party's convention thanks to this leak. The DNC Rules Committee has named Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, as permanent chair of the convention, according to a DNC source. She will gavel each session to order and will gavel each session closed (http://www.cnn.com...).
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Greyparrot
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7/24/2016 6:21:22 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 6:18:44 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
It has been announced that Schultz will not speak at or preside over the party's convention thanks to this leak. The DNC Rules Committee has named Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, as permanent chair of the convention, according to a DNC source. She will gavel each session to order and will gavel each session closed (http://www.cnn.com...).

Just goes to show you there is a real price to pay when Hillary pisses the globe off with her incompetence.
BrendanD19
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7/24/2016 7:34:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 7:41:51 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:58:49 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 4:10:40 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then your an idiot
Hillary isn't anything. But she is the left's "big candidate" as the Dem nominee.

Ha! You think the democrats are a left wing party!
They are only left comparatively to the GOP. In reality they're a centrist party with a left wing faction, not a left wing party with a centrist faction.

The GOP would be considered left wing in countries like Saudi Arabia. The democrats generally are considered left wing in American politics.

But in terms of global politics, using the standard political spectrum they are centrist.
BrendanD19
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7/24/2016 7:35:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 7:33:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:20:55 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:39:57 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/24/2016 12:53:50 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Don't vote for that pseudo fascist.
Whatever that means.

Vote Green
And help split the left's vote.

If you are saying Hillary is left then you're an idiot

At least he can spell correctly.

You're is the contraction of you are. I was saying you are an idiot. Your is possessive.