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smelisox
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7/24/2016 11:04:32 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Oh, i don't know. Is it that we collectively thought Steve Jobs was a great man, when when we knew he made billions off the backs of children? Or maybe it's that it feels like all our heroes are counterfeit. the world itself's just a big hoax. Spamming with our running commentary of bullsh1t masquerading as insight, our social media faking as intimacy. Or is it that we voted for this? Not with our rigged elections, but with our things, our property, our money. I'm not saying anything new. We all know why we do this, not because Hunger Games books make us happy but because we wanna be sedated. Because it's painful not to pretend, because we're cowards. Fu"k society.
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7/24/2016 4:08:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
I was born a white straight male and that is no longer okay. Its looked at as archaic and barbariac in 2016. I couldn't control how I was born, but liberals hate me. Really progressive there, liberals.
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7/25/2016 5:23:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 11:04:32 AM, smelisox wrote:
Oh, i don't know. Is it that we collectively thought Steve Jobs was a great man, when when we knew he made billions off the backs of children? Or maybe it's that it feels like all our heroes are counterfeit. the world itself's just a big hoax. Spamming with our running commentary of bullsh1t masquerading as insight, our social media faking as intimacy. Or is it that we voted for this? Not with our rigged elections, but with our things, our property, our money. I'm not saying anything new. We all know why we do this, not because Hunger Games books make us happy but because we wanna be sedated. Because it's painful not to pretend, because we're cowards. Fu"k society.

I'm mostly disappointed in the lack of putting importance on integrity and allowing people with low integrity to become leaders. I see it in families, business, government.

Secondly I think the root of most evil comes from others trying to control others. Of course some of that is because people will screw anyone and everyone due to a lack of integrity.

Lastly, in support of the first and second issues we are all too accepting of concealment and a lack of openness. I have been in business long enough to see lay offs done in a well manner and a poor manner. The poor manner is concealment until the day I hand you a pink slip and have security walk you out the door. The well manner is letting people know 3 months prior to the date.

There are examples abound. The DNC is good example. They lied, concealed, and obfuscated. I strongly believe that making all DNC email public information would not hinder their competitiveness and would bring in a new era of openness where honesty and integrity are valued. However people will rationalize that they need to be secret. Let's face it, the leadership will change, but they will continue to use unethical tactics because they can.

I only use DNC as an example as it was recent. The tenancy to forgive lack of integrity and not demand openness permeates all areas of society.

I understand there are times and places for secret information, but planning a campaign event or laying off employees is not justified in my book.

Lastly what does it say about the entire environment when Wasserman is herald as a great person and given new position to those she helped dispute getting caught being dishonest? We are insane.
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7/25/2016 5:47:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Different people want different things, so a society that pleases everyone is impossible. If you're on the left, you'll denounce income inequality and greed in a capitalist society. If you're on the right, you'll denounce the lesser amount of freedoms and a destructive open immigration policy which breeds crime and terrorism in a socialist society. If you're religious, you'll denounce the total moral decline in a secular/atheistic society. If you're an atheist, you'll denounce the superstition, brainwashing, misogyny, corrupt clergy, and homophobia in a religious society.
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7/25/2016 5:57:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Society disappoints me because social democrats exist.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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7/25/2016 5:57:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:08:01 PM, KendoRe2 wrote:
I was born a white straight male and that is no longer okay. Its looked at as archaic and barbariac in 2016. I couldn't control how I was born, but liberals hate me. Really progressive there, liberals.

libs are useless
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
smelisox
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7/25/2016 5:59:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 5:23:26 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:04:32 AM, smelisox wrote:
Oh, i don't know. Is it that we collectively thought Steve Jobs was a great man, when when we knew he made billions off the backs of children? Or maybe it's that it feels like all our heroes are counterfeit. the world itself's just a big hoax. Spamming with our running commentary of bullsh1t masquerading as insight, our social media faking as intimacy. Or is it that we voted for this? Not with our rigged elections, but with our things, our property, our money. I'm not saying anything new. We all know why we do this, not because Hunger Games books make us happy but because we wanna be sedated. Because it's painful not to pretend, because we're cowards. Fu"k society.

I'm mostly disappointed in the lack of putting importance on integrity and allowing people with low integrity to become leaders. I see it in families, business, government.

Secondly I think the root of most evil comes from others trying to control others. Of course some of that is because people will screw anyone and everyone due to a lack of integrity.

Lastly, in support of the first and second issues we are all too accepting of concealment and a lack of openness. I have been in business long enough to see lay offs done in a well manner and a poor manner. The poor manner is concealment until the day I hand you a pink slip and have security walk you out the door. The well manner is letting people know 3 months prior to the date.

There are examples abound. The DNC is good example. They lied, concealed, and obfuscated. I strongly believe that making all DNC email public information would not hinder their competitiveness and would bring in a new era of openness where honesty and integrity are valued. However people will rationalize that they need to be secret. Let's face it, the leadership will change, but they will continue to use unethical tactics because they can.

I only use DNC as an example as it was recent. The tenancy to forgive lack of integrity and not demand openness permeates all areas of society.

I understand there are times and places for secret information, but planning a campaign event or laying off employees is not justified in my book.

Lastly what does it say about the entire environment when Wasserman is herald as a great person and given new position to those she helped dispute getting caught being dishonest? We are insane.

Agreed with all you said.
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7/26/2016 4:58:17 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Because it rewards sociopathic behavior.
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7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.
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7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.
Greyparrot
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7/26/2016 6:00:59 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.

You don't have the luxury of being fat, dumb, and lazy if you are sick.
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7/26/2016 6:25:36 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 4:08:01 PM, KendoRe2 wrote:
I was born a white straight male and that is no longer okay. Its looked at as archaic and barbariac in 2016. I couldn't control how I was born, but liberals hate me. Really progressive there, liberals.

Sup, I'm a liberal and I don't hate you. Now what?
Meh!
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7/26/2016 6:26:37 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 11:04:32 AM, smelisox wrote:
Oh, i don't know. Is it that we collectively thought Steve Jobs was a great man, when when we knew he made billions off the backs of children? Or maybe it's that it feels like all our heroes are counterfeit. the world itself's just a big hoax. Spamming with our running commentary of bullsh1t masquerading as insight, our social media faking as intimacy. Or is it that we voted for this? Not with our rigged elections, but with our things, our property, our money. I'm not saying anything new. We all know why we do this, not because Hunger Games books make us happy but because we wanna be sedated. Because it's painful not to pretend, because we're cowards. Fu"k society.

Society isn't anything. If you're seeing some unifying characteristics of "society" beyond what's necessitated by its definition, then they are almost certainly your own designs and projections.

... excepting of course those characteristics based not on vague subjective/normative assessments but on hard statistics.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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7/26/2016 6:38:08 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 6:00:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.

You don't have the luxury of being fat, dumb, and lazy if you are sick.

Being fat, dumb and lazy cause sickness. There are external factors too.
Greyparrot
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7/26/2016 6:48:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 6:38:08 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:00:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.

You don't have the luxury of being fat, dumb, and lazy if you are sick.

Being fat, dumb and lazy cause sickness. There are external factors too.

We have some pretty healthy fat people.
Starvation causes much more sickness.
Bennett91
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7/26/2016 7:00:59 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 6:48:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:38:08 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:00:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.

You don't have the luxury of being fat, dumb, and lazy if you are sick.

Being fat, dumb and lazy cause sickness. There are external factors too.

We have some pretty healthy fat people.

Modern technology makes obesity more a lifestyle than a health concern. But it still cuts shorter than the not obese.

But I digress, healthcare is not entirely in ones own hands, there are accidents, cancer, crime etc. and every person regardless of income ought not be be indebted to a profit seeking interest to achieve life, liberty and and have the opportunity to pursue happiness. The point being healthcare needs to have a government option, single payer ideally.

Starvation causes much more sickness.

Yes, the US is such a grand nation we have many citizens that live with obesity alongside many who live with perpetual hunger [1], liberals love diversity after all. God Bless Mississippi.

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...
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7/26/2016 7:07:35 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:00:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:48:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:38:08 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:00:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.

You don't have the luxury of being fat, dumb, and lazy if you are sick.

Being fat, dumb and lazy cause sickness. There are external factors too.

We have some pretty healthy fat people.

Modern technology makes obesity more a lifestyle than a health concern. But it still cuts shorter than the not obese.

But I digress, healthcare is not entirely in ones own hands, there are accidents, cancer, crime etc. and every person regardless of income ought not be be indebted to a profit seeking interest to achieve life, liberty and and have the opportunity to pursue happiness. The point being healthcare needs to have a government option, single payer ideally.

Starvation causes much more sickness.

Yes, the US is such a grand nation we have many citizens that live with obesity alongside many who live with perpetual hunger [1], liberals love diversity after all. God Bless Mississippi.

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.
Bennett91
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7/26/2016 7:21:05 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:07:35 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:00:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:48:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:38:08 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 6:00:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:46:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 5:39:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2016 3:02:42 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Society disappoints me because their are people who think Trump cold make for a decent President.

Canada allowing Americans to leach off of their health welfare disappoints me.

Good health is a terrible thing.

You don't have the luxury of being fat, dumb, and lazy if you are sick.

Being fat, dumb and lazy cause sickness. There are external factors too.

We have some pretty healthy fat people.

Modern technology makes obesity more a lifestyle than a health concern. But it still cuts shorter than the not obese.

But I digress, healthcare is not entirely in ones own hands, there are accidents, cancer, crime etc. and every person regardless of income ought not be be indebted to a profit seeking interest to achieve life, liberty and and have the opportunity to pursue happiness. The point being healthcare needs to have a government option, single payer ideally.

Starvation causes much more sickness.

Yes, the US is such a grand nation we have many citizens that live with obesity alongside many who live with perpetual hunger [1], liberals love diversity after all. God Bless Mississippi.

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.

Scam charity giving food to children of low income families? Wow.

And this is an argument for what exactly? Fat doesn't mean wealth, poor people have to eat what's cheap and available, that food is usually junk food leading to obesity. Are you familiar with the concept of food deserts? Also comparing US standards of living to the rest of the world, especially the 3rd world, is a cop out to ignore the fact that poverty is still poverty, wealth inequality exists in all countries, and the US is the most extreme examples [http://fortune.com...].
Greyparrot
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7/26/2016 7:30:59 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:21:05 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.

Scam charity giving food to children of low income families? Wow.
Do you deny the existence of scam charities?
Bennett91
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7/26/2016 7:33:59 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:30:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:21:05 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.

Scam charity giving food to children of low income families? Wow.
Do you deny the existence of scam charities?

Are you accusing Feeding America of being a scam charity? Nice dodge by the way.
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7/26/2016 7:39:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:33:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:30:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:21:05 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.

Scam charity giving food to children of low income families? Wow.
Do you deny the existence of scam charities?

Are you accusing Feeding America of being a scam charity? Nice dodge by the way.

I'll take that as a concession, and a victory.
Bennett91
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7/26/2016 7:44:34 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:39:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:33:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:30:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:21:05 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.

Scam charity giving food to children of low income families? Wow.
Do you deny the existence of scam charities?

Are you accusing Feeding America of being a scam charity? Nice dodge by the way.

I'll take that as a concession, and a victory.

W/e parakeet. You know bringing up scam charities is a red herring when Feeding America isn't one [https://www.charitynavigator.org...].

Yes scam charities exist, and you're a coward for dodging.
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7/26/2016 7:48:20 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:45:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
<<<Dives for a touchdown>>>>

Your trolling doesn't phase me. It just proves libertarians have nothing important to say when facts are involved.
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7/26/2016 8:38:54 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:48:20 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:45:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
<<<Dives for a touchdown>>>>

Your trolling doesn't phase me. It just proves libertarians have nothing important to say when facts are involved.

Go back to whichever hobbit hole you came from.
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7/26/2016 9:14:21 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
When they talk about inequitable distribution of wealth, what exactly do they mean?
Is wealth what one has in assets?
There are some people who have a nice home that they rent, a nice new car they have not paid for and ever so many possessions that they could not sell . yet they may have a net worth of less than zero when you take into consideration what they owe.
Still these people are not living in poverty.
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7/26/2016 12:14:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 7:44:34 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:39:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:33:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:30:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/26/2016 7:21:05 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

[1] http://www.feedingamerica.org...

Another scam charity when it's a well known fact America has the fattest poor on the globe.

Scam charity giving food to children of low income families? Wow.
Do you deny the existence of scam charities?

Are you accusing Feeding America of being a scam charity? Nice dodge by the way.

I'll take that as a concession, and a victory.

W/e parakeet. You know bringing up scam charities is a red herring when Feeding America isn't one [https://www.charitynavigator.org...].

Yes scam charities exist, and you're a coward for dodging.

Feeding America almost gets it. They show that in a world of big gov, charity can exist. They should be lobbying to abolish the USDA and FDA. Giving away free food is great, but doesn't solve the problem.