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7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).

What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?
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7/25/2016 4:32:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

I hate to play the blaming the victim game here, but what parents let 12 and 14 year old kids go to a swimsuit party at a night club after midnight?? Maybe I'm missing something there.

Have no idea what the motive was and of course gun control wouldn't have stopped it.
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7/25/2016 4:34:02 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Guess it was for older teenagers and some younger ones just happened to be there. But still. I read one of the victims was 12 years old.
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7/25/2016 4:40:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 4:32:35 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

I hate to play the blaming the victim game here, but what parents let 12 and 14 year old kids go to a swimsuit party at a night club after midnight?? Maybe I'm missing something there.

Have no idea what the motive was and of course gun control wouldn't have stopped it.

So your concern is why kids were at a swimsuit-themed party for teens with no alcohol and with adults, and not that they were shot?
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7/25/2016 4:46:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 4:40:32 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:32:35 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

I hate to play the blaming the victim game here, but what parents let 12 and 14 year old kids go to a swimsuit party at a night club after midnight?? Maybe I'm missing something there.

Have no idea what the motive was and of course gun control wouldn't have stopped it.

So your concern is why kids were at a swimsuit-themed party for teens with no alcohol and with adults, and not that they were shot?

Of course not, which is why I said I don't mean to play the blaming the victim game. We have no idea why they were shot, or what with, or who did it, etc, so it's not really a relevant discussion yet. So I therefore chose to focus on what we know at the moment.
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7/25/2016 4:47:37 PM
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At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

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7/25/2016 4:49:22 PM
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At 7/25/2016 4:47:37 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Allahu akbar?

It says in the OP that it was not a terror attack.
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7/25/2016 4:52:45 PM
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At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Hard to say. However shoring up mandatory background checks and registering guns can help prosecute people who are negligent by allowing their children to have unfettered access to guns or sellers who sell to felons or other people who should not be eligible to buy.

There is no one answer to this issue. There are many things that could help, such as technology on guns that only allows the buyer or who they choose to shoot the gun. Close background check loopholes. Give more funding to law enforcement. Increase violent crime sentencing and decrease non violent crime sentencing(get rid of victimless crime IE: marijuana or regulated prostitution)

Unfortunately it is impossible to get into any intelligent discourse on gun controls as any new restriction is treated as a slippery slope to 2nd amendment appeal.
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7/25/2016 5:03:12 PM
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At 7/25/2016 4:49:22 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:47:37 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Allahu akbar?

It says in the OP that it was not a terror attack.

Liberals say that about actual terror attacks. Nevertheless, Allahu Akbar is the answer 9 out of 10 times, so I assumed...
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7/25/2016 5:08:37 PM
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At 7/25/2016 4:52:45 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Hard to say. However shoring up mandatory background checks and registering guns can help prosecute people who are negligent by allowing their children to have unfettered access to guns or sellers who sell to felons or other people who should not be eligible to buy.

There is no one answer to this issue. There are many things that could help, such as technology on guns that only allows the buyer or who they choose to shoot the gun. Close background check loopholes. Give more funding to law enforcement. Increase violent crime sentencing and decrease non violent crime sentencing(get rid of victimless crime IE: marijuana or regulated prostitution)

Unfortunately it is impossible to get into any intelligent discourse on gun controls as any new restriction is treated as a slippery slope to 2nd amendment appeal.

I am certainly pro-2nd amendment, but I am fine with background checks and/or some form of restricting those with mental illnesses (or those that have such living with them) from obtaining firearms. And I'm definitely for giving more funding (and higher pay) to law enforcement.
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7/25/2016 5:26:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 5:08:37 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:52:45 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Hard to say. However shoring up mandatory background checks and registering guns can help prosecute people who are negligent by allowing their children to have unfettered access to guns or sellers who sell to felons or other people who should not be eligible to buy.

There is no one answer to this issue. There are many things that could help, such as technology on guns that only allows the buyer or who they choose to shoot the gun. Close background check loopholes. Give more funding to law enforcement. Increase violent crime sentencing and decrease non violent crime sentencing(get rid of victimless crime IE: marijuana or regulated prostitution)

Unfortunately it is impossible to get into any intelligent discourse on gun controls as any new restriction is treated as a slippery slope to 2nd amendment appeal.

I am certainly pro-2nd amendment, but I am fine with background checks and/or some form of restricting those with mental illnesses (or those that have such living with them) from obtaining firearms. And I'm definitely for giving more funding (and higher pay) to law enforcement.

Today, if I sell my guns to someone in TX, I don't have to know anything about the person. I could sell to a felon, gang banger, or anyone no questions asked. You support background check even for private sales?
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7/25/2016 5:35:08 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 5:26:48 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 5:08:37 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:52:45 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Hard to say. However shoring up mandatory background checks and registering guns can help prosecute people who are negligent by allowing their children to have unfettered access to guns or sellers who sell to felons or other people who should not be eligible to buy.

There is no one answer to this issue. There are many things that could help, such as technology on guns that only allows the buyer or who they choose to shoot the gun. Close background check loopholes. Give more funding to law enforcement. Increase violent crime sentencing and decrease non violent crime sentencing(get rid of victimless crime IE: marijuana or regulated prostitution)

Unfortunately it is impossible to get into any intelligent discourse on gun controls as any new restriction is treated as a slippery slope to 2nd amendment appeal.

I am certainly pro-2nd amendment, but I am fine with background checks and/or some form of restricting those with mental illnesses (or those that have such living with them) from obtaining firearms. And I'm definitely for giving more funding (and higher pay) to law enforcement.

Today, if I sell my guns to someone in TX, I don't have to know anything about the person. I could sell to a felon, gang banger, or anyone no questions asked. You support background check even for private sales?

Not really sure, perhaps. But I DO support that if you knowingly (as determined by court I suppose) sell your guns to someone in one of those categories and that person commits a crime with that gun that you could then be held liable to some degree.

I think there needs to be some safeguards for sure. I may be more for having to report the sale of that gun or something like that, not exactly sure. I think you'll find that a lot, maybe most, pro 2nd amendment folks like myself aren't as close-minded on gun regulations as the left seems to portray us to be.

But then that opens up the possibility of the one selling the gun to be blamed for discrimination as to who they sell the gun to. Which is fine with me but may not be to others. I would be curious to see some stats on how many crimes are committed with guns purchased though a private sale. My guess is it is actually quite low to minuscule.
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7/25/2016 5:53:46 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 5:35:08 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 5:26:48 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 5:08:37 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:52:45 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Hard to say. However shoring up mandatory background checks and registering guns can help prosecute people who are negligent by allowing their children to have unfettered access to guns or sellers who sell to felons or other people who should not be eligible to buy.

There is no one answer to this issue. There are many things that could help, such as technology on guns that only allows the buyer or who they choose to shoot the gun. Close background check loopholes. Give more funding to law enforcement. Increase violent crime sentencing and decrease non violent crime sentencing(get rid of victimless crime IE: marijuana or regulated prostitution)

Unfortunately it is impossible to get into any intelligent discourse on gun controls as any new restriction is treated as a slippery slope to 2nd amendment appeal.

I am certainly pro-2nd amendment, but I am fine with background checks and/or some form of restricting those with mental illnesses (or those that have such living with them) from obtaining firearms. And I'm definitely for giving more funding (and higher pay) to law enforcement.

Today, if I sell my guns to someone in TX, I don't have to know anything about the person. I could sell to a felon, gang banger, or anyone no questions asked. You support background check even for private sales?

Not really sure, perhaps. But I DO support that if you knowingly (as determined by court I suppose) sell your guns to someone in one of those categories and that person commits a crime with that gun that you could then be held liable to some degree.

I think there needs to be some safeguards for sure. I may be more for having to report the sale of that gun or something like that, not exactly sure. I think you'll find that a lot, maybe most, pro 2nd amendment folks like myself aren't as close-minded on gun regulations as the left seems to portray us to be.

The left recognizes that a majority of Americans want to close background check loopholes and other smart regulation. The also recognize the NRA has grid lock on doing anything. Just at the RNC an NRA representative told everyone that the left wanted to repeal the 2nd amendment. It is not the left who is misrepresenting youi. It is the radical right that believes any further regulation is a slippery slope to 2nd amendment repeal.

But then that opens up the possibility of the one selling the gun to be blamed for discrimination as to who they sell the gun to. Which is fine with me but may not be to others. I would be curious to see some stats on how many crimes are committed with guns purchased though a private sale. My guess is it is actually quite low to minuscule.
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7/25/2016 7:16:28 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 5:53:46 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 5:35:08 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 5:26:48 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 5:08:37 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:52:45 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

Hard to say. However shoring up mandatory background checks and registering guns can help prosecute people who are negligent by allowing their children to have unfettered access to guns or sellers who sell to felons or other people who should not be eligible to buy.

There is no one answer to this issue. There are many things that could help, such as technology on guns that only allows the buyer or who they choose to shoot the gun. Close background check loopholes. Give more funding to law enforcement. Increase violent crime sentencing and decrease non violent crime sentencing(get rid of victimless crime IE: marijuana or regulated prostitution)

Unfortunately it is impossible to get into any intelligent discourse on gun controls as any new restriction is treated as a slippery slope to 2nd amendment appeal.

I am certainly pro-2nd amendment, but I am fine with background checks and/or some form of restricting those with mental illnesses (or those that have such living with them) from obtaining firearms. And I'm definitely for giving more funding (and higher pay) to law enforcement.

Today, if I sell my guns to someone in TX, I don't have to know anything about the person. I could sell to a felon, gang banger, or anyone no questions asked. You support background check even for private sales?

Not really sure, perhaps. But I DO support that if you knowingly (as determined by court I suppose) sell your guns to someone in one of those categories and that person commits a crime with that gun that you could then be held liable to some degree.

I think there needs to be some safeguards for sure. I may be more for having to report the sale of that gun or something like that, not exactly sure. I think you'll find that a lot, maybe most, pro 2nd amendment folks like myself aren't as close-minded on gun regulations as the left seems to portray us to be.

The left recognizes that a majority of Americans want to close background check loopholes and other smart regulation. The also recognize the NRA has grid lock on doing anything. Just at the RNC an NRA representative told everyone that the left wanted to repeal the 2nd amendment. It is not the left who is misrepresenting youi. It is the radical right that believes any further regulation is a slippery slope to 2nd amendment repeal.

But then that opens up the possibility of the one selling the gun to be blamed for discrimination as to who they sell the gun to. Which is fine with me but may not be to others. I would be curious to see some stats on how many crimes are committed with guns purchased though a private sale. My guess is it is actually quite low to minuscule.

Both sides have decent cases to make. It's not a simple issue. I'm okay with some further regulations and background checks, but I also agree it could lead to a slippery slope. It isn't (or at least shouldn't be) an either/or issue.
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7/25/2016 7:58:17 PM
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The left recognizes that a majority of Americans want to close background check loopholes and other smart regulation. The also recognize the NRA has grid lock on doing anything. Just at the RNC an NRA representative told everyone that the left wanted to repeal the 2nd amendment. It is not the left who is misrepresenting youi. It is the radical right that believes any further regulation is a slippery slope to 2nd amendment repeal.

Pro gun types are looking at a century of gun control legislation that has come down the pipe all based on very little actual data, only emotion.
This gun control legislation just keeps coming. You say that they are simply worried about a slippery slope. Well, they have 100 years of evidence to back up this idea. There is a century of evidence to back up the belief that more gun control is always coming and is never going to stop until guns are banned.
Will this push be you last push? Is the be all, end all to ever increasing gun control legislation? If you cannot say yes, then diminishing the pro gun argument down to a slippery slop fallacy, is extremely disingenuous.
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7/25/2016 10:44:28 PM
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At 7/25/2016 7:58:17 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
The left recognizes that a majority of Americans want to close background check loopholes and other smart regulation. The also recognize the NRA has grid lock on doing anything. Just at the RNC an NRA representative told everyone that the left wanted to repeal the 2nd amendment. It is not the left who is misrepresenting youi. It is the radical right that believes any further regulation is a slippery slope to 2nd amendment repeal.

Pro gun types are looking at a century of gun control legislation that has come down the pipe all based on very little actual data, only emotion.
This gun control legislation just keeps coming. You say that they are simply worried about a slippery slope. Well, they have 100 years of evidence to back up this idea. There is a century of evidence to back up the belief that more gun control is always coming and is never going to stop until guns are banned.
Will this push be you last push? Is the be all, end all to ever increasing gun control legislation? If you cannot say yes, then diminishing the pro gun argument down to a slippery slop fallacy, is extremely disingenuous.

Slippery slope with no valid evidence that there could ever be enough support for enough states to ratify a constitutional change is a slippery slope fallacy. Not recognizing it as such is disingenuous.

There would have to be such a tremendous shift in opinion around outlawing all guns to even come close to garnering enough support for a constitutional amendment change That is unrealistic and not supported by 100 years of data. Regulating arms, which is constitutionally allowable is the greater threat in the form of over regulating versus out right appeal.

This unwillingness for any new regulation what so every will hurt in the long run when people continue to see mass shootings and gun violence go unchecked.
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7/26/2016 12:25:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 4:32:35 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:44:01 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are shot during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. The pair were named as Ste"fan Strawder, an 18-year-old basketball player for Lehigh Senior High School, and 14-year-old Sean Archilles. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror, but are still trying to discern the motive for the shooting (https://www.bostonglobe.com...). The club said the shooting happened as the party ended and parents arrived to pick up their children. Shots were also fired at a nearby home and a vehicle, where one person suffered a minor injury (http://www.bbc.com...).


What do you think the motive was? Could gun control have stopped this?

I hate to play the blaming the victim game here, but what parents let 12 and 14 year old kids go to a swimsuit party at a night club after midnight?? Maybe I'm missing something there.

Have no idea what the motive was and of course gun control wouldn't have stopped it.

It was an all ages party, no booze. The shooting occurred as the party was letting out, meaning the various armed security present did their job, they were enough of a deterrent to prevent miscreants from getting inside. As the crowd dissipated for pick up (the time in which security can do the least), the aggressors engaged. Given the nature of the attack and victims, this appears to be gang related.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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7/26/2016 2:38:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:44:28 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 7:58:17 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
The left recognizes that a majority of Americans want to close background check loopholes and other smart regulation. The also recognize the NRA has grid lock on doing anything. Just at the RNC an NRA representative told everyone that the left wanted to repeal the 2nd amendment. It is not the left who is misrepresenting youi. It is the radical right that believes any further regulation is a slippery slope to 2nd amendment repeal.

Pro gun types are looking at a century of gun control legislation that has come down the pipe all based on very little actual data, only emotion.
This gun control legislation just keeps coming. You say that they are simply worried about a slippery slope. Well, they have 100 years of evidence to back up this idea. There is a century of evidence to back up the belief that more gun control is always coming and is never going to stop until guns are banned.
Will this push be you last push? Is the be all, end all to ever increasing gun control legislation? If you cannot say yes, then diminishing the pro gun argument down to a slippery slop fallacy, is extremely disingenuous.

Slippery slope with no valid evidence that there could ever be enough support for enough states to ratify a constitutional change is a slippery slope fallacy. Not recognizing it as such is disingenuous.

There would have to be such a tremendous shift in opinion around outlawing all guns to even come close to garnering enough support for a constitutional amendment change That is unrealistic and not supported by 100 years of data. Regulating arms, which is constitutionally allowable is the greater threat in the form of over regulating versus out right appeal.

This unwillingness for any new regulation what so every will hurt in the long run when people continue to see mass shootings and gun violence go unchecked.

No the slippery slope that is mentioned is regulation to the point of effectivly banning the weapons. All of the "common sense" and "smart" regulations are all a means of further gun restrictions. You refuse, as well as any other gun control advocate, to say that this is the last of the regulation. You know that there will be more and more and more, without ever touching the 2nd. That's the plan though, isn't it? http://louderwithcrowder.com...

As for mass shooting and gun violence. Mass shootings are up, but muder is down, so the idea that it is somehow going unchecked is an incorrect assumption.
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