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Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The debate continues.

Tineric
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8/4/2016 6:39:11 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
For over 71 years the world remembers Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The tragedy occurred on August 6, 1945. American bomber B-29 dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima atomic bomb equivalent of 13 to 18 kilotons of TNT. August 9, 1945 at the Nagasaki bomb was dropped 21 kiloton TNT equivalent. The death toll in Hiroshima was from 90 to 166 thousand people, and from 60 to 80 thousand in Nagasaki.
During this time, no US president had never visited the city suffered during the test of a nuclear bomb. The situation has changed this year. The historic visit of the US president on May 26, 2016 within the G7 summit. And it caused a storm of indignation among the Japanese. The demonstrators demanded an official apology for the bombing of the US 45-year. According to the Japanese surveys, 85% of Japanese believe that the bombing was not justified either from the military or from the political point of view. On the part of America it is just the opposite. According to the poll, 45% of Americans believe that the United States did the right thing, dropping atomic bombs on Japanese cities. In turn, that the decision was wrong, said 25% of respondents. 30% are undecided in their choice. In addition, 70% of Americans do not believe that the United States should apologize to Japan for his actions at the end of the Second World War. Only about 22% of respondents believe that Washington still should apologize to Tokyo.

He does not see the need to apologize, and the president himself. During his visit to Hiroshima, Obama spoke about the dangers of nuclear weapons and the need for a world without weapons of mass destruction. Even the most painful divisions, according to the president, can be overcome by evidence that the current relations between the US and Japan, which were not just allies, but "best friends."
Meanwhile, the visit of the head of the US raised the old question of whether the use of weapons of mass destruction in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There is no single opinion. One side (including the US) says about the need to use weapons of mass destruction in Japan. The main arguments cited by the Washington loss during the landing and fighting in the invasion of Japan, according to the calculations of the General Staff, would have been higher (about one million). In addition, the United States claims that it has saved the world from a war that did not stop her staff would not claimed one million lives. In the light of what the United States has positioned itself almost as saviors of the world.

Obama still met with participants of the tragedy, who miraculously survived the bombardment, which stated that, in general, the Japanese do not experience feelings of hatred against the Americans for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And this after a special Council affected the Japanese bombing - Hibakusha sent the White House a special letter: "We demand to recognize that those bombings were inhuman violation of international law and demand an apology. We do not believe that you can do without it. " What do we see? Official opinion has changed dramatically after the negative answer was received.

According to experts, there is a program of the silence and erasing of the memory of people the terrible days of the event. Everything is presented in the light of the far Hundred Years War. Instead, they grow "pressing problems" today, in the face of the Japanese: the Kuril Islands territorial dispute related to them. US continues to impose its vision of the world of Japan, using it for their own political games. But whether Japan will truly be satisfied with second roles? The dissatisfaction of the Japanese population is growing and may soon come to an end samurai composure.
xus00HAY
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8/4/2016 5:58:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Oh, Reeeeeeealy?
When those 2 B-29s took off from the airport on the island of Tinian, it was the largest Air Base in the world and there were hundreds of other B-29s there.
There were way more Japanese killed a few weeks before when a few dozen other B-29s dropped napalm bombs in the part of Tokyo were they had all those wood and paper houses.
when Harry Truman was sworn in the estimates were there would be another year of war and a million American casualties. In Japan the policy was death before dishonor. Without the surrender, the people of Japan would have won or died trying to.
On the other hand, if the A Bombs had not been dropped the world would be less overpopulated today.
WTF is wrong with you pacifists?
brontoraptor
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8/4/2016 6:55:21 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/4/2016 6:39:11 AM, Tineric wrote:
For over 71 years the world remembers Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The tragedy occurred on August 6, 1945. American bomber B-29 dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima atomic bomb equivalent of 13 to 18 kilotons of TNT. August 9, 1945 at the Nagasaki bomb was dropped 21 kiloton TNT equivalent. The death toll in Hiroshima was from 90 to 166 thousand people, and from 60 to 80 thousand in Nagasaki.
During this time, no US president had never visited the city suffered during the test of a nuclear bomb. The situation has changed this year. The historic visit of the US president on May 26, 2016 within the G7 summit. And it caused a storm of indignation among the Japanese. The demonstrators demanded an official apology for the bombing of the US 45-year. According to the Japanese surveys, 85% of Japanese believe that the bombing was not justified either from the military or from the political point of view. On the part of America it is just the opposite. According to the poll, 45% of Americans believe that the United States did the right thing, dropping atomic bombs on Japanese cities. In turn, that the decision was wrong, said 25% of respondents. 30% are undecided in their choice. In addition, 70% of Americans do not believe that the United States should apologize to Japan for his actions at the end of the Second World War. Only about 22% of respondents believe that Washington still should apologize to Tokyo.

He does not see the need to apologize, and the president himself. During his visit to Hiroshima, Obama spoke about the dangers of nuclear weapons and the need for a world without weapons of mass destruction. Even the most painful divisions, according to the president, can be overcome by evidence that the current relations between the US and Japan, which were not just allies, but "best friends."
Meanwhile, the visit of the head of the US raised the old question of whether the use of weapons of mass destruction in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There is no single opinion. One side (including the US) says about the need to use weapons of mass destruction in Japan. The main arguments cited by the Washington loss during the landing and fighting in the invasion of Japan, according to the calculations of the General Staff, would have been higher (about one million). In addition, the United States claims that it has saved the world from a war that did not stop her staff would not claimed one million lives. In the light of what the United States has positioned itself almost as saviors of the world.

Obama still met with participants of the tragedy, who miraculously survived the bombardment, which stated that, in general, the Japanese do not experience feelings of hatred against the Americans for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And this after a special Council affected the Japanese bombing - Hibakusha sent the White House a special letter: "We demand to recognize that those bombings were inhuman violation of international law and demand an apology. We do not believe that you can do without it. " What do we see? Official opinion has changed dramatically after the negative answer was received.

According to experts, there is a program of the silence and erasing of the memory of people the terrible days of the event. Everything is presented in the light of the far Hundred Years War. Instead, they grow "pressing problems" today, in the face of the Japanese: the Kuril Islands territorial dispute related to them. US continues to impose its vision of the world of Japan, using it for their own political games. But whether Japan will truly be satisfied with second roles? The dissatisfaction of the Japanese population is growing and may soon come to an end samurai composure.

Obama needs to learn to keep his testicles attached and lead this country like a man rather than making excuses for terrorists and apologizing for us defending ourselves against a regime hellbent on world domination. Obama is a fuc*ing coward, a chicken sh*t, and an insult to your grandfathers.
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8/4/2016 10:12:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Pearl Harbor, it happened. Unprovoked. Japs were planning attack of Hawaii (where citizens would have died) until U.S. won Battle of Midway.

Japan was a disgusting Empire that ordered the death of their own soldiers and intentionally killed as many U.S. soldiers as possible even when they knew they couldn't win a battle. Read up on Iwo Jima sometime.
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8/4/2016 10:13:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Pearl Harbor, it happened. Unprovoked. Japan were planning attack of Hawaii (where citizens would have died) until U.S. won Battle of Midway.

Japan was a disgusting Empire that ordered the death of their own soldiers and intentionally killed as many U.S. soldiers as possible even when they knew they couldn't win a battle. Read up on Iwo Jima sometime.