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8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM
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The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.
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8/6/2016 4:51:12 PM
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At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

They didn't need Wikipedia to know what is known by all - the flag has been used as a symbol of racism. Live with it.
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8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM
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At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.
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8/6/2016 8:22:40 PM
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At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

There is a danger in suppressing free speech just because someone claims something is racist. I might find s Black Lives Matter shirt racist. Think the EEOC will agree?
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8/6/2016 8:27:50 PM
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At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
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The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

God, everything against the left is starting to be considered racist. What the hell does a flag saying "don't tread on me" have to do with racism? It's nothing more than a flag representing liberty for people not to "tread" on others.
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8/6/2016 8:28:05 PM
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At 8/6/2016 4:51:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

They didn't need Wikipedia to know what is known by all - the flag has been used as a symbol of racism. Live with it.

So because some loon decides to change its meaning the EEOC goes with the loon's meaning of the flag instead of the actual meaning? Yeah that makes sense.
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8/6/2016 8:34:38 PM
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At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
what?

2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
Why does the EEOC need to be worried about this? It's called free speech, and free speech includes the right to offend, but the Gadsen flag has nothing to do with being racist/offensive to minorities

3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.
Why would the flag be used as such? It isn't a flag with a racist message at all.
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8/6/2016 9:29:28 PM
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At 8/6/2016 8:22:40 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

There is a danger in suppressing free speech just because someone claims something is racist. I might find s Black Lives Matter shirt racist. Think the EEOC will agree?

If its creating a disruptive or uncomfortable work environment, then probably.
Did you even bother to read the washington post article?
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8/6/2016 9:31:15 PM
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At 8/6/2016 9:29:28 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 8:22:40 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

There is a danger in suppressing free speech just because someone claims something is racist. I might find s Black Lives Matter shirt racist. Think the EEOC will agree?

If its creating a disruptive or uncomfortable work environment, then probably.
Did you even bother to read the washington post article?

Alright, wearing a symbol justifies being in trouble with the law?
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8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM
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At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?
I don't have a signature. :-)
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8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM
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At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.
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8/6/2016 10:09:24 PM
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At 8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.

So why doesn't that apply to the Gadsden flag? It's associated with freedom.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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8/6/2016 10:12:31 PM
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At 8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.

It's almost as if that argument also applies to the libertarians...

But that's silly, everyone who disagrees with you is obviously a racist.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/6/2016 10:14:06 PM
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This same moronic argument applies to the cross.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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8/6/2016 10:16:46 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:12:31 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.

It's almost as if that argument also applies to the libertarians...

It does, the Libertarian party is not racist. After a Neo-Nazi snuck onto the Libertarian party ballot line in one state the party chairman told people not to vote for him.

But that's silly, everyone who disagrees with you is obviously a racist.

Thats just false.
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8/6/2016 10:21:59 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:09:24 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.

So why doesn't that apply to the Gadsden flag? It's associated with freedom.

Originally this is true, however, it has been misappropriated by the Extreme Right and Racist groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, the National Socialist Movement, the American Freedom Party, the sovereign citizens and various extremist militias.
The flag has been sullied by them, and it will take a great deal of work to change this perception.
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8/6/2016 10:23:17 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:16:46 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:12:31 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.

It's almost as if that argument also applies to the libertarians...

It does, the Libertarian party is not racist. After a Neo-Nazi snuck onto the Libertarian party ballot line in one state the party chairman told people not to vote for him.

But that's silly, everyone who disagrees with you is obviously a racist.

Thats just false.

... then why do you support this decision? That flag is one one of the most popular libertarian symbols in America, and it's being classified as a hate symbol.yes
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM
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At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/6/2016 10:24:21 PM
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At 8/6/2016 9:31:15 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:29:28 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 8:22:40 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

There is a danger in suppressing free speech just because someone claims something is racist. I might find s Black Lives Matter shirt racist. Think the EEOC will agree?

If its creating a disruptive or uncomfortable work environment, then probably.
Did you even bother to read the washington post article?

Alright, wearing a symbol justifies being in trouble with the law?

Its a civil suit, not a criminal prosecution.
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8/6/2016 10:27:45 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:23:17 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:16:46 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:12:31 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:57:27 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:42:04 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

If I waved a Green Party flag while making racist statements, would you join a different party to avoid being associated with racism?

No, because you would look like an idiot, and the GP logo is a copyrighted logo associated only with the Green party. And seeing as intersectionality and diversity are key values for the greens, you would just look even more like an idiot.

It's almost as if that argument also applies to the libertarians...

It does, the Libertarian party is not racist. After a Neo-Nazi snuck onto the Libertarian party ballot line in one state the party chairman told people not to vote for him.

But that's silly, everyone who disagrees with you is obviously a racist.

Thats just false.

... then why do you support this decision? That flag is one one of the most popular libertarian symbols in America, and it's being classified as a hate symbol.yes

I personally don't care, and it's not a ban, it's a civil suit over harassment and the decision is to pursue further investigation.
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8/6/2016 10:32:24 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.

Well, that is because the meanings of flags can change drastically over time. The Confederate Naval Jack was not really used as a post-civil war symbol for much of anything until the 1950s as a show of opposition to the civil rights movements (partially because that was when merchandising really took off for flags). Prior to that it was a symbol of civil war veterans and not much else.
The Gadsden flag started as a symbol of opposition to the British military presence in the colonies, but today is a symbol associated with libertarianism and right-wing populism (the later bringing in the racist interpretation).
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8/6/2016 10:38:51 PM
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At 8/6/2016 8:28:05 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:51:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

They didn't need Wikipedia to know what is known by all - the flag has been used as a symbol of racism. Live with it.

So because some loon decides to change its meaning the EEOC goes with the loon's meaning of the flag instead of the actual meaning? Yeah that makes sense.

Yea, it does.

When people recklessly use these things, they take on new meaning. Don't get all pissy with me, get pissy with the a$$holes who degrade symbols you may like.

Conservatives have been great at usurping symbols and sh1tting on them. Not my fault when people call them on this crap.
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8/6/2016 10:39:31 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:32:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.

Well, that is because the meanings of flags can change drastically over time. The Confederate Naval Jack was not really used as a post-civil war symbol for much of anything until the 1950s as a show of opposition to the civil rights movements (partially because that was when merchandising really took off for flags). Prior to that it was a symbol of civil war veterans and not much else.
The Gadsden flag started as a symbol of opposition to the British military presence in the colonies, but today is a symbol associated with libertarianism and right-wing populism (the later bringing in the racist interpretation).

I don't disagree. You are kind of making my point. The meaning changing over time is due to the history of the flag not being properly taught. The American heritage and our fight for freedom don't seem to be to relevant in school any longer.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/6/2016 10:42:06 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/6/2016 10:39:31 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:32:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.

Well, that is because the meanings of flags can change drastically over time. The Confederate Naval Jack was not really used as a post-civil war symbol for much of anything until the 1950s as a show of opposition to the civil rights movements (partially because that was when merchandising really took off for flags). Prior to that it was a symbol of civil war veterans and not much else.
The Gadsden flag started as a symbol of opposition to the British military presence in the colonies, but today is a symbol associated with libertarianism and right-wing populism (the later bringing in the racist interpretation).

I don't disagree. You are kind of making my point. The meaning changing over time is due to the history of the flag not being properly taught. The American heritage and our fight for freedom don't seem to be to relevant in school any longer.

Well symbols changing their meaning is inevitable no matter what is taught. THe extreme right adopted the Gadsden flag because they felt it would allow them to be associated with Libertarians or the Tea Party.
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8/6/2016 10:48:40 PM
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At 8/6/2016 10:42:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:39:31 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:32:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.

Well, that is because the meanings of flags can change drastically over time. The Confederate Naval Jack was not really used as a post-civil war symbol for much of anything until the 1950s as a show of opposition to the civil rights movements (partially because that was when merchandising really took off for flags). Prior to that it was a symbol of civil war veterans and not much else.
The Gadsden flag started as a symbol of opposition to the British military presence in the colonies, but today is a symbol associated with libertarianism and right-wing populism (the later bringing in the racist interpretation).

I don't disagree. You are kind of making my point. The meaning changing over time is due to the history of the flag not being properly taught. The American heritage and our fight for freedom don't seem to be to relevant in school any longer.

Well symbols changing their meaning is inevitable no matter what is taught. THe extreme right adopted the Gadsden flag because they felt it would allow them to be associated with Libertarians or the Tea Party.

I am extreme right. I get the purpose of the flag, from a historical point. We want people to want freedom like the colonists did. They don't.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/6/2016 11:07:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/6/2016 10:48:40 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:42:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:39:31 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:32:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.

Well, that is because the meanings of flags can change drastically over time. The Confederate Naval Jack was not really used as a post-civil war symbol for much of anything until the 1950s as a show of opposition to the civil rights movements (partially because that was when merchandising really took off for flags). Prior to that it was a symbol of civil war veterans and not much else.
The Gadsden flag started as a symbol of opposition to the British military presence in the colonies, but today is a symbol associated with libertarianism and right-wing populism (the later bringing in the racist interpretation).

I don't disagree. You are kind of making my point. The meaning changing over time is due to the history of the flag not being properly taught. The American heritage and our fight for freedom don't seem to be to relevant in school any longer.

Well symbols changing their meaning is inevitable no matter what is taught. THe extreme right adopted the Gadsden flag because they felt it would allow them to be associated with Libertarians or the Tea Party.

I am extreme right. I get the purpose of the flag, from a historical point. We want people to want freedom like the colonists did. They don't.

When I say extreme right I am talking about Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Nationalists, Ultra-Conservatives, Sovereign Citizens and the Militia movement. The Tea party is excluded from this. If you are a member of the American Independent Party, NSM, the American Freedom party, the Michigan Militia etc. then you are part of this group, but if not, you are more likely Radical Right than extreme right.
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8/6/2016 11:09:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/6/2016 11:07:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:48:40 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:42:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:39:31 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:32:24 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 10:23:36 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

I learned earlier than most how important history is. This kind of thing is happening because the history behind the flag itself is no longer taught.

Well, that is because the meanings of flags can change drastically over time. The Confederate Naval Jack was not really used as a post-civil war symbol for much of anything until the 1950s as a show of opposition to the civil rights movements (partially because that was when merchandising really took off for flags). Prior to that it was a symbol of civil war veterans and not much else.
The Gadsden flag started as a symbol of opposition to the British military presence in the colonies, but today is a symbol associated with libertarianism and right-wing populism (the later bringing in the racist interpretation).

I don't disagree. You are kind of making my point. The meaning changing over time is due to the history of the flag not being properly taught. The American heritage and our fight for freedom don't seem to be to relevant in school any longer.

Well symbols changing their meaning is inevitable no matter what is taught. THe extreme right adopted the Gadsden flag because they felt it would allow them to be associated with Libertarians or the Tea Party.

I am extreme right. I get the purpose of the flag, from a historical point. We want people to want freedom like the colonists did. They don't.

When I say extreme right I am talking about Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Nationalists, Ultra-Conservatives, Sovereign Citizens and the Militia movement. The Tea party is excluded from this. If you are a member of the American Independent Party, NSM, the American Freedom party, the Michigan Militia etc. then you are part of this group, but if not, you are more likely Radical Right than extreme right.

I stand corrected on the terms, as you have defined them. I am ultra conservative and Tea Party. I am radical right.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/7/2016 12:54:55 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/6/2016 10:24:21 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:31:15 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/6/2016 9:29:28 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 8:22:40 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/6/2016 7:33:32 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/6/2016 4:35:34 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

The EEOC obviously didn't bother to even Wikipedia the meaning of the Gadsden Flag, or if they did, didn't care. Someone said it offended them, so it must be racist.

1) You must admit that the flag has been increasingly used by racists and right-wing extremist groups.
2) All this means is that if a complaint is filed the EEOC will examine the details of the complaint with greater interest than it had prior
3) If it was meant to offend someone or if it carries an offensive connotation, then yes, it is racist.

There is a danger in suppressing free speech just because someone claims something is racist. I might find s Black Lives Matter shirt racist. Think the EEOC will agree?

If its creating a disruptive or uncomfortable work environment, then probably.
Did you even bother to read the washington post article?

Alright, wearing a symbol justifies being in trouble with the law?

Its a civil suit, not a criminal prosecution.

Still a violation of free speech.

Also, the flag has nothing to do with racism just because one oversensitive person was offended by it. The left has gotten out of hand with racism accusations.
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8/7/2016 12:56:59 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/6/2016 10:27:45 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
I personally don't care, and it's not a ban, it's a civil suit over harassment and the decision is to pursue further investigation.
http://www.snopes.com...

oh my gosh, why is a symbol "harassment"?