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PARADIGM_L0ST
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1/2/2011 4:06:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Change" was the oft-repeated campaign slogan popularized by the Obama Administration during his run for the presidency. It was a carefully constructed word, intended to target a specific demographic – those who have grown cynical and weary of the previous administration. The word was meant to be profound in its simplicity, and remains today to be a popular buzzword for those left of center on the political spectrum. For the easily manipulated and ignorant folk, it is a cliche designed to imbue the masses. But for the intractable and implacable citizen alike, it is nothing more than a platitude and empty rhetoric. Change, you ask? As best I can tell it is the more of the same. It is the status quo, rehashed, repackaged and regurgitated.

To be fair, Obama has done some useful things, and it would not be right not to mention them. His repeal of DADT was admirable, and the ending of the Iraq war was critical. Be that as it may, the man clearly does not have an inkling concerning finance. His timing on ObamaCare was simply impeccable (sarcasm). He hires goons like Timothy Geithner as second in command of the most dastardly organizations on the planet, the FED, even though the man doesn't pay his own taxes.

His other "accomplishment" include:

- Stimulus package of $787 Billion. Right, because that worked so well to stimulate the economy when Bush tried it. I mean, why not just pile the money in a heap and set it on fire. It's about as effective.

- Still taking cues from Bush's failures, Obama signs on with TARP and bails-out companies.

- Obama has a huge list of czars, some of which are every bit as threatening to free speech and freedom of expression and privacy than the Patriot Act (Let me know if you want a list of these clowns and their stated goals. Pretty scary stuff).

- Remember the problem he had with the Patriot Act? He didn't get rid of it, he just revised it marginally. Things like extraordinary rendition are still in place.

- Continues the War in Afghanistan. What's the goal? At what point do you win, and at what point do you lose? How do you even win?

Most of this is simply an extension of Bush's policies repackaged. Obama: Change or status quo?
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comoncents
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1/2/2011 4:36:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I like what him more then I would have liked McCain!

Getting out of Iraq, and will get out of Afgan sooner then under McCain.
He will focus on the economy in 2011, and I like his team.

I'll vote for him in 2012 if he turns the econ around!
TheAtheistAllegiance
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1/2/2011 4:37:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think to generalize the supporters of change as "ignorant" is a little ridiculous. Surely you want some change, and when a candidate comes into power promising that, would you be ignorant to support it? I wouldn't say so, for Ron Paul has the same goals, except that they come from the other side of the political spectrum.

However, it is correct to point out that Obama's campaign slogans vastly differ from his actions. And for the record, the stimulus package was mostly tax cuts and budgetary relief funds for states. If the bulk of that money had actually been invested in job creation projects, it would have likely been much more successful.
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1/2/2011 5:52:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/2/2011 4:37:59 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
I think to generalize the supporters of change as "ignorant" is a little ridiculous.:

Granted. That's hyperbole on my part, but I was specifically thinking about the people who simply wanted it to be true without the least bit of research on the subject.

Surely you want some change, and when a candidate comes into power promising that, would you be ignorant to support it?:

For taking sycophant with a smile for face value without doing any research? Absolutely.

I wouldn't say so, for Ron Paul has the same goals, except that they come from the other side of the political spectrum.:

Ron Paul and Obama see eye to eye on social issues. The other half is fiscal issues.

However, it is correct to point out that Obama's campaign slogans vastly differ from his actions. And for the record, the stimulus package was mostly tax cuts and budgetary relief funds for states. If the bulk of that money had actually been invested in job creation projects, it would have likely been much more successful.:

The stimulus package was a gigantic waste of money. Its like giving you your on stomach to eat. It's like the fallacy that government can create jobs. They can only create government jobs which are funded how? By taxes of a dwindling economy. Feasting on your own flesh does not a recovery make.
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1/2/2011 5:54:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Obama is a corporate flunky.
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1/2/2011 6:20:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/2/2011 5:52:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 1/2/2011 4:37:59 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
I think to generalize the supporters of change as "ignorant" is a little ridiculous.:

Granted. That's hyperbole on my part, but I was specifically thinking about the people who simply wanted it to be true without the least bit of research on the subject.

You're making a false assumption that no one did any research. While, true, you can find a good number of people that didn't do any research, the same can be said for any political party for any election. That people are just voting for the "D" or the "R," that is not something unique to Obama, nor his supporters.


Surely you want some change, and when a candidate comes into power promising that, would you be ignorant to support it?:

For taking sycophant with a smile for face value without doing any research? Absolutely.

See above.


I wouldn't say so, for Ron Paul has the same goals, except that they come from the other side of the political spectrum.:

Ron Paul and Obama see eye to eye on social issues. The other half is fiscal issues.

Not exactly eye to eye, but closer then on economic issues, but that is true for most any libertarian to liberal. They'll agree more on social issues then on economic ones.


However, it is correct to point out that Obama's campaign slogans vastly differ from his actions. And for the record, the stimulus package was mostly tax cuts and budgetary relief funds for states. If the bulk of that money had actually been invested in job creation projects, it would have likely been much more successful.:

The stimulus package was a gigantic waste of money. Its like giving you your on stomach to eat. It's like the fallacy that government can create jobs.

Government can create jobs, service jobs. It could even create manufacturing jobs (and I wish it would, rather then trusting private companies to do it).

They can only create government jobs which are funded how? By taxes of a dwindling economy. Feasting on your own flesh does not a recovery make.

Service fees, just like any other service based industry.
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Cody_Franklin
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1/2/2011 6:59:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Personally, I think he's an honest guy that wants to help the country. There's a lot of cynicism about disingenuous and corrupt politicians, but I think that sometimes clouds our judgment. Based on what I've seen, I'm of the mind that he's committed to his job, which is one of the most difficult jobs I can imagine.

That said, I don't think that he's doing the job he could be doing. I don't agree with most of his policies, which I think are misguided, and I think that he was far too naive and optimistic coming into office.

Even though he recognizes that things are bad, I think that one of his greatest failings is believing that things can be fixed without incurring some fairly big losses (example: the economy), and I think that leads him to pursue policies which are a bit out of touch with the way that things would actually have to go in order to be fixed.
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1/2/2011 9:24:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
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Charles0103
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1/15/2011 4:34:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think in 2008, people overestimated Obama. They thought he'd be some great leader of hope and change. However, we see now that he's just like any other Democrat. That suits me fine, as I do lean significantly left.

I think the independents are mad that 100 dollar bills didn't fall out of the sky 3 years into his presidency, and I think the Tea Partiers are taking advantage of that.

What I really don't understand is how we gave George W. Bush 8 years, and when Obama was like less than 2 years into his presidency, the right calls him a socialist and starts all this Tea Party stuff. The founding fathers were heroes. These so called "Tea Party Patriots" are not.

I think the right is also mad about the stimulus. Now, if the rednecks had a harvard degree like President Obama did, then they would understand reverse economics. If we pump all this money into the economy, it'll all come around and increase. It's like taking a shot. It hurts at first, but it makes you feel better in the long run.

If I was Obama, I wouldn't use reverse economics. I'd do what Clinton did. I'd cut spending and make the rich pay their fair share of taxes, but that's just me.
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