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8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
NYC -- You have SERIOUSLY made it a crime, a prosecutable civil crime, carrying a penalty of between $125,000 and $250,000 per offense; for employers, landlords, and even employees (co-workers) who fail to use all of those widely unaccepted and flat out scientifically incorrect tumblerism gender pronouns. Really?!? Come on man!

New York City -- Nanny state extraordinaire -- Textbook example of just how much physical, emotional and mental control liberals wish to have over the lives of American citizens; just how deeply liberals wish to micromanage our lives -- Home to "Captain Micromanage" himself, Mayor Bill de Blasio -- City, housing a voting base who approves of their government all but verbally telling them that they are too stupid to make their own choices with their lives -- Oh how you have redefined just how low you can go; just how low you can drop the bar of expectations for human beings. South Park, dust off the James Cameron graphics and voice-over specialist from Season 16, Episode 09 "Raising the Bar". The bar has fallen even deeper into the ocean and needs Mr. Cameron to retrieve it once more.

When I first stumbled upon this report earlier today, my immediate gut reaction was:

"Come on conservatives! Are your really, SERIOUSLY stooping THAT low? To a level so low you are starting to flat out, 100%, unquestionably, and indefensibly lie about liberals to get attention? That is NOT who we are; leave the dishonorable, disgraceful and bottom-feeding political tactics of this nature to the undisputed champions of soulless, immoral, most horribly disgusting of the politicians such as Harry Reid."

I have made direct mention of Harry Reid there in order to show that NOT all liberals are like him. He is in-fact a special breed of a$$hole who takes joy in trolling ALL citizens of the U.S. in mass. I guess we can start taking serious consideration into adding Bill de Blasio to Harry Reid's team after this insanity.

Well then I actually took the bait and decided to debunk this one personally. To my utter shock and surprise, this actually turns out to be 100% true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Still have questions about the truth of this story? Well I did too...until I looked up the actual legal statute directly from the NYC.gov website. The statue here is:

New York City Commission on Human Rights Legal Enforcement Guidance on Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression: Local Law No. 3 (2002); N.Y.C. Admin. Code " 8-102(23)

This can be found directly from the following link:

http://www.nyc.gov...

Are they serious with this sh!t? Is this who we have become as a free people? Is this SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS --- SERIOUSLY what we find to be acceptable as citizens of the United States of America -- Land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE?

1.2 million Americans dead -- 1.5 million Americans wounded -- Mental illness not accounted for -- 2000's Iraq and Afghan wars not counted -- Is THIS what all these lives were sacrificed for?

I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.
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8/15/2016 1:36:30 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
NYC -- You have SERIOUSLY made it a crime, a prosecutable civil crime, carrying a penalty of between $125,000 and $250,000 per offense; for employers, landlords, and even employees (co-workers) who fail to use all of those widely unaccepted and flat out scientifically incorrect tumblerism gender pronouns. Really?!? Come on man!

New York City -- Nanny state extraordinaire -- Textbook example of just how much physical, emotional and mental control liberals wish to have over the lives of American citizens; just how deeply liberals wish to micromanage our lives -- Home to "Captain Micromanage" himself, Mayor Bill de Blasio -- City, housing a voting base who approves of their government all but verbally telling them that they are too stupid to make their own choices with their lives -- Oh how you have redefined just how low you can go; just how low you can drop the bar of expectations for human beings. South Park, dust off the James Cameron graphics and voice-over specialist from Season 16, Episode 09 "Raising the Bar". The bar has fallen even deeper into the ocean and needs Mr. Cameron to retrieve it once more.

When I first stumbled upon this report earlier today, my immediate gut reaction was:

"Come on conservatives! Are your really, SERIOUSLY stooping THAT low? To a level so low you are starting to flat out, 100%, unquestionably, and indefensibly lie about liberals to get attention? That is NOT who we are; leave the dishonorable, disgraceful and bottom-feeding political tactics of this nature to the undisputed champions of soulless, immoral, most horribly disgusting of the politicians such as Harry Reid."

I have made direct mention of Harry Reid there in order to show that NOT all liberals are like him. He is in-fact a special breed of a$$hole who takes joy in trolling ALL citizens of the U.S. in mass. I guess we can start taking serious consideration into adding Bill de Blasio to Harry Reid's team after this insanity.

Well then I actually took the bait and decided to debunk this one personally. To my utter shock and surprise, this actually turns out to be 100% true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Still have questions about the truth of this story? Well I did too...until I looked up the actual legal statute directly from the NYC.gov website. The statue here is:

New York City Commission on Human Rights Legal Enforcement Guidance on Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression: Local Law No. 3 (2002); N.Y.C. Admin. Code " 8-102(23)

This can be found directly from the following link:

http://www.nyc.gov...

Are they serious with this sh!t? Is this who we have become as a free people? Is this SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS --- SERIOUSLY what we find to be acceptable as citizens of the United States of America -- Land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE?

1.2 million Americans dead -- 1.5 million Americans wounded -- Mental illness not accounted for -- 2000's Iraq and Afghan wars not counted -- Is THIS what all these lives were sacrificed for?

I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

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8/15/2016 3:10:36 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 12:47:03 AM, Death23 wrote:
It's their city. It's their business. That's how they want it to be. I don't live there. It's not my problem.

Fair response. However, it's our NATION. It only takes one city to do something like this and begin a snowball effect across the nation...then it WILL be your city and your problem, but too late to stop.
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8/15/2016 4:35:20 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 3:10:36 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 12:47:03 AM, Death23 wrote:
It's their city. It's their business. That's how they want it to be. I don't live there. It's not my problem.

Fair response. However, it's our NATION. It only takes one city to do something like this and begin a snowball effect across the nation...then it WILL be your city and your problem, but too late to stop.

It could happen, but it's an acceptable risk for the sake of localized government.
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8/15/2016 5:26:07 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 4:35:20 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 3:10:36 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 12:47:03 AM, Death23 wrote:
It's their city. It's their business. That's how they want it to be. I don't live there. It's not my problem.

Fair response. However, it's our NATION. It only takes one city to do something like this and begin a snowball effect across the nation...then it WILL be your city and your problem, but too late to stop.

It could happen, but it's an acceptable risk for the sake of localized government.

Hey, totally agree with that point my friend. Interesting point here: They avoided violating freedom of speech by applying the law to only the private business sector, while avoiding implementation outside of the business world.

We all know the wheels are spinning on ways around that pesky first amendment outside of the business world. Wonder what kind of crazy ideas are getting passed around that smart board conference. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that room...on second thought, having a lifespan of 15-30 days, would I really want to waste one there? The conundrums of the world....or would that be "first world problems" LOL.
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8/15/2016 5:30:51 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
The title is a clickbait, but an employer could get fined for not addressing someone by the pronouns they want if it is intentional. I don't know if this law is enforced or not, and I couldn't find a case of someone getting fined. But none the less, this is absolute BS and a violation of free speech.
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8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
NYC -- You have SERIOUSLY made it a crime, a prosecutable civil crime, carrying a penalty of between $125,000 and $250,000 per offense; for employers, landlords, and even employees (co-workers) who fail to use all of those widely unaccepted and flat out scientifically incorrect tumblerism gender pronouns. Really?!? Come on man!

New York City -- Nanny state extraordinaire -- Textbook example of just how much physical, emotional and mental control liberals wish to have over the lives of American citizens; just how deeply liberals wish to micromanage our lives -- Home to "Captain Micromanage" himself, Mayor Bill de Blasio -- City, housing a voting base who approves of their government all but verbally telling them that they are too stupid to make their own choices with their lives -- Oh how you have redefined just how low you can go; just how low you can drop the bar of expectations for human beings. South Park, dust off the James Cameron graphics and voice-over specialist from Season 16, Episode 09 "Raising the Bar". The bar has fallen even deeper into the ocean and needs Mr. Cameron to retrieve it once more.

When I first stumbled upon this report earlier today, my immediate gut reaction was:

"Come on conservatives! Are your really, SERIOUSLY stooping THAT low? To a level so low you are starting to flat out, 100%, unquestionably, and indefensibly lie about liberals to get attention? That is NOT who we are; leave the dishonorable, disgraceful and bottom-feeding political tactics of this nature to the undisputed champions of soulless, immoral, most horribly disgusting of the politicians such as Harry Reid."

I have made direct mention of Harry Reid there in order to show that NOT all liberals are like him. He is in-fact a special breed of a$$hole who takes joy in trolling ALL citizens of the U.S. in mass. I guess we can start taking serious consideration into adding Bill de Blasio to Harry Reid's team after this insanity.

Well then I actually took the bait and decided to debunk this one personally. To my utter shock and surprise, this actually turns out to be 100% true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Still have questions about the truth of this story? Well I did too...until I looked up the actual legal statute directly from the NYC.gov website. The statue here is:

New York City Commission on Human Rights Legal Enforcement Guidance on Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression: Local Law No. 3 (2002); N.Y.C. Admin. Code " 8-102(23)

This can be found directly from the following link:

http://www.nyc.gov...

Are they serious with this sh!t? Is this who we have become as a free people? Is this SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS --- SERIOUSLY what we find to be acceptable as citizens of the United States of America -- Land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE?

1.2 million Americans dead -- 1.5 million Americans wounded -- Mental illness not accounted for -- 2000's Iraq and Afghan wars not counted -- Is THIS what all these lives were sacrificed for?

I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?

Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.

I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.

In both cases it is critical to not go overboard though and be too aggressive without proper investigation.
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8/15/2016 3:51:39 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
NYC -- You have SERIOUSLY made it a crime, a prosecutable civil crime, carrying a penalty of between $125,000 and $250,000 per offense; for employers, landlords, and even employees (co-workers) who fail to use all of those widely unaccepted and flat out scientifically incorrect tumblerism gender pronouns. Really?!? Come on man!

New York City -- Nanny state extraordinaire -- Textbook example of just how much physical, emotional and mental control liberals wish to have over the lives of American citizens; just how deeply liberals wish to micromanage our lives -- Home to "Captain Micromanage" himself, Mayor Bill de Blasio -- City, housing a voting base who approves of their government all but verbally telling them that they are too stupid to make their own choices with their lives -- Oh how you have redefined just how low you can go; just how low you can drop the bar of expectations for human beings. South Park, dust off the James Cameron graphics and voice-over specialist from Season 16, Episode 09 "Raising the Bar". The bar has fallen even deeper into the ocean and needs Mr. Cameron to retrieve it once more.

When I first stumbled upon this report earlier today, my immediate gut reaction was:

"Come on conservatives! Are your really, SERIOUSLY stooping THAT low? To a level so low you are starting to flat out, 100%, unquestionably, and indefensibly lie about liberals to get attention? That is NOT who we are; leave the dishonorable, disgraceful and bottom-feeding political tactics of this nature to the undisputed champions of soulless, immoral, most horribly disgusting of the politicians such as Harry Reid."

I have made direct mention of Harry Reid there in order to show that NOT all liberals are like him. He is in-fact a special breed of a$$hole who takes joy in trolling ALL citizens of the U.S. in mass. I guess we can start taking serious consideration into adding Bill de Blasio to Harry Reid's team after this insanity.

Well then I actually took the bait and decided to debunk this one personally. To my utter shock and surprise, this actually turns out to be 100% true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Still have questions about the truth of this story? Well I did too...until I looked up the actual legal statute directly from the NYC.gov website. The statue here is:

New York City Commission on Human Rights Legal Enforcement Guidance on Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression: Local Law No. 3 (2002); N.Y.C. Admin. Code " 8-102(23)

This can be found directly from the following link:

http://www.nyc.gov...

Are they serious with this sh!t? Is this who we have become as a free people? Is this SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS --- SERIOUSLY what we find to be acceptable as citizens of the United States of America -- Land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE?

1.2 million Americans dead -- 1.5 million Americans wounded -- Mental illness not accounted for -- 2000's Iraq and Afghan wars not counted -- Is THIS what all these lives were sacrificed for?

I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?

Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.

I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.

In both cases it is critical to not go overboard though and be too aggressive without proper investigation.

It's not just transgenders, but why should I call SJWs by their specific pronouns? Sorry that the person who identifies as an pseudo-crazy chimp above Israel one state of existence below narnian heaven right above Nazi Israel that's also a A10-C Thunderbolt II with 10 engines inside a pocket knife wants to be addressed as "ximieuryauriro" or "wururugladjhrjdjxk"

Also, this is unconstitutional none the less.
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8/15/2016 4:25:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Yeah I'm not against reasonable restrictions on free speech in general, but this is ridiculous. Language policies that attempt to instigate or resist linguistic change generally fail unless they are consistent with social trends (classical examples are the Academie francaise and the Irish revival). If the government wants to reduce the putative discrimination against transsexuals, they should be promoting acceptance, not policing language. The Lakoffian/neo-Whorfian method of promoting progressivism through Orwellian newspeak has to stop.
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8/15/2016 4:26:15 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?


Well then in that case, the bigg-EST question is: Those narcissistic snowflakes out there whose fragile insides can't seem to cope with who they are as a person. Why do they feel they need to force me to call them "zan" or "deis" instead of getting themselves in for some much needed mental health assistance?

As far as transgender men and women go, I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem here; as long as you're actually in the process of transitioning genders which then legals denotes you as transgender. Depending on their point in transitioning genders, I would either call them a man, or a woman. This is usually quite simple to do because their physical appearance is changed to match their new gender, as well as body hair, voice, etc. I have no problem with making the pronoun change from him to her for persons in this category.

My REAL issue is with these extra special snowflakes that at some point in their lives, got the idea in their heads that the universe revolves around them and their feelings.

Just because you are a female and on the weekends you enjoy dressing up in a giant shoe Halloween costume does not mean I need to refer to you as "stielz" instead of "her".

Or if you're only able to be sexually aroused by wearing an elephant leather toga, while performing a headstand on stained glass windows, as a musician plays an instrumental version of Kids Bop 22 with a Tuba two feet away, and at the same time you're blending up old rotten, moldy foods with a Ninja brand blender for composting: Does NOT mean I should be legally obligated to refer to you as "tris".


Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.


Yes, I agree this is a difficult line to walk at certain times. However, this one is so far away from the line, that the company that physically manufactures this particular argument hasn't even been built yet. This one is 100% straight forward, while you are at work or on property, you will be called him or her. If you wanna be called some fantasy gender or sub-species, you do that on your own time. Respect flows both ways. You don't demand that I learn and use fantasy genders to refer to you, I won't demand you dress up like a Bison every day because I self-identify as "Perpetual-Tatanka-Hunt"


I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.


Correct, and 100% reasonable. This is an understandable change in business policies. But again, this is only the transgender individuals.
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8/15/2016 4:36:17 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 4:26:15 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?


Well then in that case, the bigg-EST question is: Those narcissistic snowflakes out there whose fragile insides can't seem to cope with who they are as a person. Why do they feel they need to force me to call them "zan" or "deis" instead of getting themselves in for some much needed mental health assistance?

As far as transgender men and women go, I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem here; as long as you're actually in the process of transitioning genders which then legals denotes you as transgender. Depending on their point in transitioning genders, I would either call them a man, or a woman. This is usually quite simple to do because their physical appearance is changed to match their new gender, as well as body hair, voice, etc. I have no problem with making the pronoun change from him to her for persons in this category.

My REAL issue is with these extra special snowflakes that at some point in their lives, got the idea in their heads that the universe revolves around them and their feelings.

Just because you are a female and on the weekends you enjoy dressing up in a giant shoe Halloween costume does not mean I need to refer to you as "stielz" instead of "her".

Or if you're only able to be sexually aroused by wearing an elephant leather toga, while performing a headstand on stained glass windows, as a musician plays an instrumental version of Kids Bop 22 with a Tuba two feet away, and at the same time you're blending up old rotten, moldy foods with a Ninja brand blender for composting: Does NOT mean I should be legally obligated to refer to you as "tris".


Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.


Yes, I agree this is a difficult line to walk at certain times. However, this one is so far away from the line, that the company that physically manufactures this particular argument hasn't even been built yet. This one is 100% straight forward, while you are at work or on property, you will be called him or her. If you wanna be called some fantasy gender or sub-species, you do that on your own time. Respect flows both ways. You don't demand that I learn and use fantasy genders to refer to you, I won't demand you dress up like a Bison every day because I self-identify as "Perpetual-Tatanka-Hunt"


I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.


Correct, and 100% reasonable. This is an understandable change in business policies. But again, this is only the transgender individuals.

No it is not only transgender individuals. Your employer has no right to implement a dress code that forces you to dress as a woman.
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8/15/2016 5:53:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 4:36:17 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 4:26:15 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?


Well then in that case, the bigg-EST question is: Those narcissistic snowflakes out there whose fragile insides can't seem to cope with who they are as a person. Why do they feel they need to force me to call them "zan" or "deis" instead of getting themselves in for some much needed mental health assistance?

As far as transgender men and women go, I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem here; as long as you're actually in the process of transitioning genders which then legals denotes you as transgender. Depending on their point in transitioning genders, I would either call them a man, or a woman. This is usually quite simple to do because their physical appearance is changed to match their new gender, as well as body hair, voice, etc. I have no problem with making the pronoun change from him to her for persons in this category.

My REAL issue is with these extra special snowflakes that at some point in their lives, got the idea in their heads that the universe revolves around them and their feelings.

Just because you are a female and on the weekends you enjoy dressing up in a giant shoe Halloween costume does not mean I need to refer to you as "stielz" instead of "her".

Or if you're only able to be sexually aroused by wearing an elephant leather toga, while performing a headstand on stained glass windows, as a musician plays an instrumental version of Kids Bop 22 with a Tuba two feet away, and at the same time you're blending up old rotten, moldy foods with a Ninja brand blender for composting: Does NOT mean I should be legally obligated to refer to you as "tris".


Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.


Yes, I agree this is a difficult line to walk at certain times. However, this one is so far away from the line, that the company that physically manufactures this particular argument hasn't even been built yet. This one is 100% straight forward, while you are at work or on property, you will be called him or her. If you wanna be called some fantasy gender or sub-species, you do that on your own time. Respect flows both ways. You don't demand that I learn and use fantasy genders to refer to you, I won't demand you dress up like a Bison every day because I self-identify as "Perpetual-Tatanka-Hunt"


I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.


Correct, and 100% reasonable. This is an understandable change in business policies. But again, this is only the transgender individuals.

No it is not only transgender individuals. Your employer has no right to implement a dress code that forces you to dress as a woman.

Correct. But a female cross-dresser who throws on a pair of pants, a button up shirt and a tie still remains a female, appears as such, and still sounds as such. It's the same for a man tossing on a business skirt. Now yes, there are those rare exceptions on both sides where the person can almost flawlessly pull off cross dressing; in which case, it's so believable that the pronoun uses just fall into place naturally. But again, this is an exception to the "rule" and should not have a new rule generated to cover it.

However, I am not really focusing on cross dressing or transgender as these are generally easy to get down as you see a female outline, your brain quickly identifies female; it generally takes a few seconds and a second and third glance to realize its a cross dresser or trans male.

I'm thinking along the lines of "Kit". What on God's green F*ck!ng Earth is THAT? There is no way for your brain to identify this through visual, audible or olfactible queues which is how the brain subconsciously identifies gender. So now I have to memorize this fake gender, re-train my brain to process gender pronouns for that one specific person, practice to train my conscious thought process to ignore my instincts, make the conscious effort to recall memory regarding what that pronoun was again. On top of that, while I am talking to or about this person, I have to train myself to stop talking using procedural memory and instead use declarative memory; which in every day communication is actually an extremely tough thing to do.

So now you're DIRECTLY, physically impacting my life with your personal life choices. At this point, it becomes intrusive and adds a burden on myself which has absolutely no productive value for me what-so-ever. And all of this done...why?
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8/15/2016 6:47:01 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
NYC -- You have SERIOUSLY made it a crime, a prosecutable civil crime, carrying a penalty of between $125,000 and $250,000 per offense; for employers, landlords, and even employees (co-workers) who fail to use all of those widely unaccepted and flat out scientifically incorrect tumblerism gender pronouns. Really?!? Come on man!

Nothing will help that trans unemployment rate by making them a liability to any employer thinking of hiring them.

This is just a bunch of pompous twats virtue signalling, and hurting trans people in the process.
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8/15/2016 8:50:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 5:53:57 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 4:36:17 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 4:26:15 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?


Well then in that case, the bigg-EST question is: Those narcissistic snowflakes out there whose fragile insides can't seem to cope with who they are as a person. Why do they feel they need to force me to call them "zan" or "deis" instead of getting themselves in for some much needed mental health assistance?

As far as transgender men and women go, I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem here; as long as you're actually in the process of transitioning genders which then legals denotes you as transgender. Depending on their point in transitioning genders, I would either call them a man, or a woman. This is usually quite simple to do because their physical appearance is changed to match their new gender, as well as body hair, voice, etc. I have no problem with making the pronoun change from him to her for persons in this category.

My REAL issue is with these extra special snowflakes that at some point in their lives, got the idea in their heads that the universe revolves around them and their feelings.

Just because you are a female and on the weekends you enjoy dressing up in a giant shoe Halloween costume does not mean I need to refer to you as "stielz" instead of "her".

Or if you're only able to be sexually aroused by wearing an elephant leather toga, while performing a headstand on stained glass windows, as a musician plays an instrumental version of Kids Bop 22 with a Tuba two feet away, and at the same time you're blending up old rotten, moldy foods with a Ninja brand blender for composting: Does NOT mean I should be legally obligated to refer to you as "tris".


Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.


Yes, I agree this is a difficult line to walk at certain times. However, this one is so far away from the line, that the company that physically manufactures this particular argument hasn't even been built yet. This one is 100% straight forward, while you are at work or on property, you will be called him or her. If you wanna be called some fantasy gender or sub-species, you do that on your own time. Respect flows both ways. You don't demand that I learn and use fantasy genders to refer to you, I won't demand you dress up like a Bison every day because I self-identify as "Perpetual-Tatanka-Hunt"


I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.


Correct, and 100% reasonable. This is an understandable change in business policies. But again, this is only the transgender individuals.

No it is not only transgender individuals. Your employer has no right to implement a dress code that forces you to dress as a woman.

Correct. But a female cross-dresser who throws on a pair of pants, a button up shirt and a tie still remains a female, appears as such, and still sounds as such. It's the same for a man tossing on a business skirt. Now yes, there are those rare exceptions on both sides where the person can almost flawlessly pull off cross dressing; in which case, it's so believable that the pronoun uses just fall into place naturally. But again, this is an exception to the "rule" and should not have a new rule generated to cover it.

However, I am not really focusing on cross dressing or transgender as these are generally easy to get down as you see a female outline, your brain quickly identifies female; it generally takes a few seconds and a second and third glance to realize its a cross dresser or trans male.

I'm thinking along the lines of "Kit". What on God's green F*ck!ng Earth is THAT? There is no way for your brain to identify this through visual, audible or olfactible queues which is how the brain subconsciously identifies gender. So now I have to memorize this fake gender, re-train my brain to process gender pronouns for that one specific person, practice to train my conscious thought process to ignore my instincts, make the conscious effort to recall memory regarding what that pronoun was again. On top of that, while I am talking to or about this person, I have to train myself to stop talking using procedural memory and instead use declarative memory; which in every day communication is actually an extremely tough thing to do.

So now you're DIRECTLY, physically impacting my life with your personal life choices. At this point, it becomes intrusive and adds a burden on myself which has absolutely no productive value for me what-so-ever. And all of this done...why?

I'm not certain what your objection is. You write like employees are complete strangers and that this law is designed like a speed trap to get anyone who slips up.

Just be respectful and if an employee asks you to call him Robert instead if Rob or a she instead of a he, just do it out of respect of your employee. It is actually quite simple.
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8/16/2016 1:29:14 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 8:50:57 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 5:53:57 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 4:36:17 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 4:26:15 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:46:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:28:12 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
I wish I was a successful business owner...just so I could move my business to NYC and use pronouns like guys, him, he, and men. Then drop some free lessons on proper American English Grammar upon de Blasio and the NYC government and judicial system.

The bigger question is why do you and others feel you need to call a transgender woman a male pronoun?


Well then in that case, the bigg-EST question is: Those narcissistic snowflakes out there whose fragile insides can't seem to cope with who they are as a person. Why do they feel they need to force me to call them "zan" or "deis" instead of getting themselves in for some much needed mental health assistance?

As far as transgender men and women go, I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem here; as long as you're actually in the process of transitioning genders which then legals denotes you as transgender. Depending on their point in transitioning genders, I would either call them a man, or a woman. This is usually quite simple to do because their physical appearance is changed to match their new gender, as well as body hair, voice, etc. I have no problem with making the pronoun change from him to her for persons in this category.

My REAL issue is with these extra special snowflakes that at some point in their lives, got the idea in their heads that the universe revolves around them and their feelings.

Just because you are a female and on the weekends you enjoy dressing up in a giant shoe Halloween costume does not mean I need to refer to you as "stielz" instead of "her".

Or if you're only able to be sexually aroused by wearing an elephant leather toga, while performing a headstand on stained glass windows, as a musician plays an instrumental version of Kids Bop 22 with a Tuba two feet away, and at the same time you're blending up old rotten, moldy foods with a Ninja brand blender for composting: Does NOT mean I should be legally obligated to refer to you as "tris".


Eliminating harassment at work has butted against individual rights. Drawing that line to give people a work place free of harassment versus the rights of business and individuals is difficult.


Yes, I agree this is a difficult line to walk at certain times. However, this one is so far away from the line, that the company that physically manufactures this particular argument hasn't even been built yet. This one is 100% straight forward, while you are at work or on property, you will be called him or her. If you wanna be called some fantasy gender or sub-species, you do that on your own time. Respect flows both ways. You don't demand that I learn and use fantasy genders to refer to you, I won't demand you dress up like a Bison every day because I self-identify as "Perpetual-Tatanka-Hunt"


I for one can see how treating a transgender woman like a man in the way they are spoken to and in policy such as dress code similar to a woman who is constantly berated by sexual innuendo and unwanted sexual advances.


Correct, and 100% reasonable. This is an understandable change in business policies. But again, this is only the transgender individuals.

No it is not only transgender individuals. Your employer has no right to implement a dress code that forces you to dress as a woman.

Correct. But a female cross-dresser who throws on a pair of pants, a button up shirt and a tie still remains a female, appears as such, and still sounds as such. It's the same for a man tossing on a business skirt. Now yes, there are those rare exceptions on both sides where the person can almost flawlessly pull off cross dressing; in which case, it's so believable that the pronoun uses just fall into place naturally. But again, this is an exception to the "rule" and should not have a new rule generated to cover it.

However, I am not really focusing on cross dressing or transgender as these are generally easy to get down as you see a female outline, your brain quickly identifies female; it generally takes a few seconds and a second and third glance to realize its a cross dresser or trans male.

I'm thinking along the lines of "Kit". What on God's green F*ck!ng Earth is THAT? There is no way for your brain to identify this through visual, audible or olfactible queues which is how the brain subconsciously identifies gender. So now I have to memorize this fake gender, re-train my brain to process gender pronouns for that one specific person, practice to train my conscious thought process to ignore my instincts, make the conscious effort to recall memory regarding what that pronoun was again. On top of that, while I am talking to or about this person, I have to train myself to stop talking using procedural memory and instead use declarative memory; which in every day communication is actually an extremely tough thing to do.

So now you're DIRECTLY, physically impacting my life with your personal life choices. At this point, it becomes intrusive and adds a burden on myself which has absolutely no productive value for me what-so-ever. And all of this done...why?

I'm not certain what your objection is. You write like employees are complete strangers and that this law is designed like a speed trap to get anyone who slips up.


You're thinking in terms of you sitting around with the group of 10-20 co-workers you work directly with 40 hours a week. Think more in terms a large corporation in which you are at random times interacting with one of 350 people in your business unit. Even better, think of managers and directors who oversee 500 or more employees. Not so simple anymore now is it?

It's not like a speed trap. It's like the government going out and randomly changing a few speed limit signs from western style numerals to speed limits written in Cuneiform, dropping the speed limits of this signs drastically, to an unreasonable levels like going from 65 MPH in numerals to 15 MPH in Cuneiform, then also setting up speeding cameras at those specific signs.


Just be respectful and if an employee asks you to call him Robert instead if Rob or a she instead of a he, just do it out of respect of your employee. It is actually quite simple.


Changing Rob to Robert or She as opposed to He are simple and reasonable requests; requests which I have always acknowledged.

However, the MAJOR point here; is being demanded to change he or she to "kit", "Xer", "Jiers", "Tromb", "Dieste", or any of the other fake gender pronouns that make no sense and hold no logical patterns for the human brain to relate gender with, nor do they have any way to attach to specific person's physical attributes like masculine and feminine do. THIS is where things go WAY over the top and well beyond simple, cordial respect for one another, and is where I have the problem.