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8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?
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8/15/2016 9:23:24 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
My apologies for skipping between the 1950's to 2008. There is a few things to noted.

Like the Tuskegee Experiments from 1935 to 1972 where the US government lied to black men purposefully giving them syphilis instead of health care. [https://en.wikipedia.org...] Who knows how a many other people they infected unknowingly and exponentially compounded by 33 years. According to the CDC blacks have the highest infection rate among the races for syphilis. In 2013, 37.3% of all cases reported to CDC were among blacks [http://www.cdc.gov...] Coincidence? Think of the health care costs.

The Crack Cocaine Epidemic of the 80's that largely effected black communities via exorbitant jail times for possession and sale was helped by CIA negligence in dealing with right wing Nicaraguan rebels and trafficking cocaine into the US. [http://www.pbs.org...] This event is important given not only the economic impact that comes from drug addicts draining resources, but the cultural impact as blacks being portrayed as cocaine fiends, as undesirable in dealing of housing, employment, or shelter - as Dave Chapel's Tyrone showed us to laugh at.

And finally, even though Obama was elected President of the United states, racism from the American people has tarnished the legacy, even today influential people say Obama is not Christian [https://www.youtube.com...], and that he's a secret Muslim and he not so sarcastically founded ISIS despite contrary evidence he's influenced by the Christian pastor Jeremiah Wright.

Racism exists in the hearts of many Americans, and even though we can't quantify in perfect calculations its impact we can't deny it exists, we can see it, and they are telling us it's happening.
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8/15/2016 10:27:40 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
I agree with OP that "racism" in les Etats never ended. And I'll take it a step further to add that it will never end.

Though we probably disagree on the why. It's not the institutions or any historical legacy -- recent immigrant groups, such as Hispanics, are subject to racism (and tend to be quite racist themselves).
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8/15/2016 11:07:02 AM
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At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country.


Ehhhh...this is arguable depending on what you define "...foundation of this country" as. I would suggest use of a more direct phrase such as "...can agree that racism and slavery were major parts of the United States at the time of its birth." To me, this seems like a better wording, eliminating any potential, reasonable arguments.

Other than strengthening the wording, I agree with you.


The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]


We are in agreement still.


Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership.


I agree with you but wish you would have expanded on this as the process as a whole is truly amazing. The way Stetson Kennedy and "John Brown" infiltrated the KKK, collected information, and used this information to work with the writers of Superman to create the fight against the KKK series. Additionally, some of the details of secrets and norms, and how they were creatively displayed in the series; successfully turning fear into pure gut-busting laughter. There's just too much detail and too many years put into this series to boil it down to a single sentence statement.

But again, I do agree.


Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].


Now you're taking a few steps toward the cliff's edge. The housing bias you speak of is in regards to home ownership. The source you cite focuses on a very small number of first hand accounts which when reviewed offer two very interesting and important facts.

Firstly, it's entirely written regarding a section of Chicago -- The same Chicago during the same exact time as the Mafia having HEAVY control over the workings from top to bottom. We still refer to that time period in Chicago when referring to the gangster mafia including the corrupt government. However, no mention of this is made in your source, the author is actually arrogant enough to place ALL blame on "the system" as opposed to the uncontrolled gangster control of Chicago.

Secondly, and MOST important, the cases referenced are mostly consumer fault. Things like consumers failing to read contracts, failing to realize the contracts they signed were not legal, entering into contractual agreements that WERE actually legal -- knowing full well they did not have the means of making the monthly payments whether mortgage or contract, realizing that their contract or actions by landlords or mortgage companies were indeed illegal -- but refusing to file legal suit for some unknown reason, and more. You cannot fault the system for these items, the consumer must take some personal responsibility.

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...]


Now you just took a full speed triple Lindy nose dive off the cliff. Check your source. The data your source cites is SERIOUSLY pulled from a site which openly targets whites and the right-wing. Literally, they have a "Hate Map" where hate groups are mapped across the nation; yet they never define "Hate Group". So I click on the map, open the filter option for types of groups to filter by...and there is not a single non-white, non-right-wing group listed. They seriously have a category for racist music by white people, but they couldn't find a single hate group in the ENTIRE U.S. from the other end of the spectrum? They don't even list any metrics which need to be met in order to be referred to as a hate group by them. This data cited regarding hate groups in America, seriously comes from a website which presents itself as a racist, borderline hate group. Come on man.


Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].


Yes, SOME people, a VERY, VERY small number of people OF ALL RACES in America are racist, but there is no CULTURE OF RACISM as you assert here. And the sources you cite: One is a self proclaimed hard left, democratic socialist. Another is an EXTREME leftist whose works all but say that the sidewalk she uses is racist against blacks. The last source isn't even a source, it's a page with a three statement sales pitch for the book they want you to buy.


My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

This is a question best posed to Obama...the guy that successfully washed out the past 50 years of race relation progression of the nation, in the span of under 7 years.
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8/15/2016 1:56:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Apparently it [systemic and endemic racism against black people] ENDED sometime in the 60's.

62% of white people in America said that black people were treated equally in 1963. In 1967 it was 75%.

Since 1962, it's held almost steady that 8 in 10 white Americans think that black children have equal chances for good education in their own communities.

IN 1964 most white Americans believed that mass demonstrations for racial equality were actually hurtful to black Americans' cause.

in 1966 that number had risen to 85%.

http://media.gallup.com...
http://www.crmvet.org...

So...yeah. Sometime in the 60's racism against black ended. Apparently.
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8/15/2016 3:41:27 PM
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At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

It tried to end but white liberals used it as a way to whore for votes and keep minorities in low paying jobs "where they belong".
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8/15/2016 7:08:56 PM
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At 8/15/2016 11:07:02 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].


Now you're taking a few steps toward the cliff's edge. The housing bias you speak of is in regards to home ownership. The source you cite focuses on a very small number of first hand accounts which when reviewed offer two very interesting and important facts.

The accounts were a demonstration of the larger trend across the country, the author makes this clear. He mentions conditions from Mississippi to New York

Firstly, it's entirely written regarding a section of Chicago -- The same Chicago during the same exact time as the Mafia having HEAVY control over the workings from top to bottom. We still refer to that time period in Chicago when referring to the gangster mafia including the corrupt government. However, no mention of this is made in your source, the author is actually arrogant enough to place ALL blame on "the system" as opposed to the uncontrolled gangster control of Chicago.

You're going to have to elaborate on how the Mafia influenced home loan practices which kept blacks in crime ridden areas. If you want to see Chicago as a repetition of themes, the collusion between gangsters and government has effected blacks sine the rise of the KKK.

Secondly, and MOST important, the cases referenced are mostly consumer fault. Things like consumers failing to read contracts, failing to realize the contracts they signed were not legal, entering into contractual agreements that WERE actually legal -- knowing full well they did not have the means of making the monthly payments whether mortgage or contract, realizing that their contract or actions by landlords or mortgage companies were indeed illegal -- but refusing to file legal suit for some unknown reason, and more. You cannot fault the system for these items, the consumer must take some personal responsibility.

Blacks weren't given other options for loans, and to blame them when the system regularly took advantage of blacks as a source of income knowing the contracts were no made in good faith blaming black people for the immoral and illegal practice of the housing market controlled by whites makes little sense. You might as well blame the people for the most recent housing bubble/crisis, even though it's obvious the banks played a heavy roll selling then bundling toxic debt and passing it off as a hot potato - only to be bailed out by the government when it fell.

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...]


Now you just took a full speed triple Lindy nose dive off the cliff. Check your source. The data your source cites is SERIOUSLY pulled from a site which openly targets whites and the right-wing. Literally, they have a "Hate Map" where hate groups are mapped across the nation; yet they never define "Hate Group". So I click on the map, open the filter option for types of groups to filter by...and there is not a single non-white, non-right-wing group listed. They seriously have a category for racist music by white people, but they couldn't find a single hate group in the ENTIRE U.S. from the other end of the spectrum? They don't even list any metrics which need to be met in order to be referred to as a hate group by them. This data cited regarding hate groups in America, seriously comes from a website which presents itself as a racist, borderline hate group. Come on man.

The Hate Map comes from the SPLC, it lists 180 Black Separatist groups as hate groups and they define hate group as 'any group with beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people - particularly when the characteristics being maligned are immutable.' - are there any left wing hate groups in the US you think should be added to the Hate Map?

Yes, SOME people, a VERY, VERY small number of people OF ALL RACES in America are racist, but there is no CULTURE OF RACISM as you assert here. And the sources you cite: One is a self proclaimed hard left, democratic socialist. Another is an EXTREME leftist whose works all but say that the sidewalk she uses is racist against blacks. The last source isn't even a source, it's a page with a three statement sales pitch for the book they want you to buy.

Your disagreement seems to stem more from their politics, not their view on racism in America - given most if not all political racism has come from the Right, you can't blame blacks for taking a leftist approach. The 3 examples were to show that there are black thinkers who have extensive and articulated views on the issue, and shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

This is a question best posed to Obama...the guy that successfully washed out the past 50 years of race relation progression of the nation, in the span of under 7 years.

How strange, you say only a very few people in the US are racist, yet here you seem to acknowledge that because Obama is black his actions as President has set race relations back. If white people weren't racist, or didn't see race, what would the race of the President have to do with race relations being set back? Why would supposedly non-racist white looks at blacks different if they weren't racist to begin with? Had Obama been white, do yu think rise in hate group membership would have rien so dramatically as it did? I think Obama is a lightning rod that attracts the racism that already existed under the surface of whites, that existed in the past and that exists now; and we can't ignore the cultural, economic, social and political ramifications this underlying racism exudes.
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8/15/2016 7:57:25 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 11:07:02 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:


John Oliver has some excellent pieces on how sketchy the loan industry is when it comes to dealing with the poor and desperate. They are not necessarily race specific, but given the majority of blacks are poor, these schemes target them especially.

Pay Day Loans: https://www.youtube.com...
Auto Lending: https://www.youtube.com...
Student Debt: https://www.youtube.com...
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8/15/2016 10:34:35 PM
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Bump. Perhaps some of the more left wing deniers like YYW or softerthanyouthink can answer the question.
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8/16/2016 1:37:16 AM
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Racism has not ended and will probably never end, but institutionalized racism against blacks was extremely rare by the 1970s, and it has become almost obsolete.

However, institutionalized racism against whites still continues in the form of affirmative action.

I think that answers your question.
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8/16/2016 2:23:41 AM
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At 8/16/2016 1:37:16 AM, Bob13 wrote:
Racism has not ended and will probably never end, but institutionalized racism against blacks was extremely rare by the 1970s, and it has become almost obsolete.

However, institutionalized racism against whites still continues in the form of affirmative action.

I think that answers your question.

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8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM
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At 8/15/2016 3:41:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

It tried to end but white liberals used it as a way to whore for votes and keep minorities in low paying jobs "where they belong".

Thank you.
To answer the OP question: it hasn't ended and begin rant...

Too many black Americans support their clever oppressors and perpetrators of institutional racism: liberals and democrats. The ones who keep blacks in a constant state of grievance and dependent upon the government for their livelihood.

Racist liberalism that keeps the future of black America under the precipice of their Marxist agenda for USA, please wake up! Stop putting your future in government hands.

If blacks want freedom from "institutionalized racism" in USA then get the government out of your life! Stop supporting liberal democrats and consider the idea of minimum government maximum freedom so that your destiny rest in your own hands.

KKK, Jim Crow, welfare state, affirmative action, all racist liberal democrat values that are not needed in USA.

I want black Americans to also realize that we have contributed greatly to the greatness of USA, but not too many blacks own that pride, because liberal democrats would lead many to believe that the atrocity of slavery is a black Americans only legacy! That is a bold faced lie! We have contributed our industry, innovation, technology, and our deepest humility to USA but too many blacks don't know their own history aside from slavery, it's disgraceful. Sure there are racist people everywhere, it can even be argued that blacks are the most hated group around the world, but if you truly owned your freedom and were accountable for your own future (which right now don't because the government does) it wouldn't matter because those people could try to stop you, but your own will would determine the outcome.

Black Americans should consider minimum government maximum freedom, and a free market economy, it won't completely illiminate racism in society, but it would greatly be reduced, because the color that would matter most is green. Until then, instutional racism will continue to be prevelant in black Americans lives.

End rant for now.
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8/16/2016 12:22:31 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 1:37:16 AM, Bob13 wrote:
Racism has not ended and will probably never end, but institutionalized racism against blacks was extremely rare by the 1970s, and it has become almost obsolete.

However, institutionalized racism against whites still continues in the form of affirmative action.

I think that answers your question.

What you find happens is the minority starts by begging for mercy legitimately. They get it, so they look for pity legitimately. They become equal legitimately. Then they seek to get more than equality turning into the oppressors themselves and/or making excuses and blaming it on the majority.

This is the manifestation we are seeing with white men right now. They've grown tired of being blamed for sexism and racism by default. This minorities vs whites and females vs men movement got so far out of hand that they wanted to tell everyone to just shut up. Donald Trump is the only voice they've had in recent times so they feel forced to become a fraternity joining forces to protect what's left before they have to look up and fight for equal rights themselves.
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8/16/2016 12:34:28 PM
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8/16/2016 1:01:38 PM
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At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

This new "unspoken racism" has become the white liberals' carrot to keep the black man in check. Strangely, foreign immigrant blacks keep immigrating here, and having never known of this "unspoken racism", go get it done, make it happen, and live great lives.

If you convince a man he's beaten before he enters the playing field that becomes his default setting. If they fsil or it gets tough they can always fall back on "unspoken racism" as an excuse to stay in poverty. As a matter of fact...white liberals are counting on it.
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8/16/2016 3:09:37 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 1:01:38 PM, brontoraptor wrote:


This new "unspoken racism" has become the white liberals' carrot to keep the black man in check. Strangely, foreign immigrant blacks keep immigrating here, and having never known of this "unspoken racism", go get it done, make it happen, and live great lives.

If you think modern racism in America is only unspoken you're very ignorant. Racism towards Obama started at day one http://racerelations.about.com... and it continues today https://www.youtube.com...

DEA agents have been told not to enforce the law in rich (white) neighborhoods [http://thefreethoughtproject.com...]. Stop and frisk laws target minorities with a sweeping lens in contrast to whites https://thinkprogress.org...

In 2013 88% of Blacks felt discrimination still existed, 57% of whites agreed. [http://www.pewresearch.org...] Those feeling don't come from nowhere.

If you convince a man he's beaten before he enters the playing field that becomes his default setting. If they fsil or it gets tough they can always fall back on "unspoken racism" as an excuse to stay in poverty. As a matter of fact...white liberals are counting on it.

So answer the question of the OP. I've established without question at the start of the US blacks were told they were inferior, after 100 years that hadn't changed. Legislation did not not change the hearts of men. Tell me when racism ended in the US. Tell me when it stopped being a legitimate factor of concern for black people.
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8/16/2016 3:22:43 PM
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At 8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:

Black Americans should consider minimum government maximum freedom, and a free market economy, it won't completely illiminate racism in society, but it would greatly be reduced, because the color that would matter most is green. Until then, instutional racism will continue to be prevelant in black Americans lives.

This was how it was in the 1950's and it didn't work out for blacks which prompted the civil rights movement of the 60's. Conservatism may address institutional racism by tearing down the institutions, but it doesn't address cultural racism which is what's truly at the root of institutional racism. Also it's very easy to call for a free market when you have money, blacks are the poorest of racial groups and wouldn't have the capital to capitalize on the free market as much compared to other groups - staying behind.
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8/16/2016 3:38:46 PM
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At 8/16/2016 3:22:43 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:

Black Americans should consider minimum government maximum freedom, and a free market economy, it won't completely illiminate racism in society, but it would greatly be reduced, because the color that would matter most is green. Until then, instutional racism will continue to be prevelant in black Americans lives.

This was how it was in the 1950's and it didn't work out for blacks which prompted the civil rights movement of the 60's. Conservatism may address institutional racism by tearing down the institutions, but it doesn't address cultural racism which is what's truly at the root of institutional racism. Also it's very easy to call for a free market when you have money, blacks are the poorest of racial groups and wouldn't have the capital to capitalize on the free market as much compared to other groups - staying behind.

I started with nothing. No money, no whiteness, notta. I made it and no amount of invisible racism detoured me from success. Show me a racism that exists that keeps a black man hellbent on success from achieving the American dream.

People need to cut this crap out, trying to compare America to Utopia. Compare it to actual real existing cultures. If the worst thing Americahas going on is invisible unspoken racism, that would put it in first place worldwide. Minorities aren't migrsting here in mass because their culture was better than this one. They are moving here because their cultures and their cultures' racism is not covert. It's overt. It's actually real enough to block you from success and probably get you killed. Quit looking for flaws in diamonds.
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8/16/2016 3:46:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 10:27:40 AM, someloser wrote:
I agree with OP that "racism" in les Etats never ended. And I'll take it a step further to add that it will never end.

Though we probably disagree on the why. It's not the institutions or any historical legacy -- recent immigrant groups, such as Hispanics, are subject to racism (and tend to be quite racist themselves).

It will end after a eugenics war hundreds of years in the future.
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8/16/2016 4:08:39 PM
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At 8/16/2016 3:38:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/16/2016 3:22:43 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:

Black Americans should consider minimum government maximum freedom, and a free market economy, it won't completely illiminate racism in society, but it would greatly be reduced, because the color that would matter most is green. Until then, instutional racism will continue to be prevelant in black Americans lives.

This was how it was in the 1950's and it didn't work out for blacks which prompted the civil rights movement of the 60's. Conservatism may address institutional racism by tearing down the institutions, but it doesn't address cultural racism which is what's truly at the root of institutional racism. Also it's very easy to call for a free market when you have money, blacks are the poorest of racial groups and wouldn't have the capital to capitalize on the free market as much compared to other groups - staying behind.

I started with nothing. No money, no whiteness, notta. I made it and no amount of invisible racism detoured me from success. Show me a racism that exists that keeps a black man hellbent on success from achieving the American dream.

People need to cut this crap out, trying to compare America to Utopia. Compare it to actual real existing cultures. If the worst thing Americahas going on is invisible unspoken racism, that would put it in first place worldwide. Minorities aren't migrsting here in mass because their culture was better than this one. They are moving here because their cultures and their cultures' racism is not covert. It's overt. It's actually real enough to block you from success and probably get you killed. Quit looking for flaws in diamonds.

Flaws in Diamonds, I like it lol.

Yes it's much worse in the 3rd world, that's never been in question. US overreach has a part in its extension.

Tell me, why do you think so many black people feel so wronged?
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8/16/2016 4:51:44 PM
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At 8/16/2016 3:22:43 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:

Black Americans should consider minimum government maximum freedom, and a free market economy, it won't completely illiminate racism in society, but it would greatly be reduced, because the color that would matter most is green. Until then, instutional racism will continue to be prevelant in black Americans lives.

This was how it was in the 1950's and it didn't work out for blacks which prompted the civil rights movement of the 60's. Conservatism may address institutional racism by tearing down the institutions, but it doesn't address cultural racism which is what's truly at the root of institutional racism. Also it's very easy to call for a free market when you have money, blacks are the poorest of racial groups and wouldn't have the capital to capitalize on the free market as much compared to other groups - staying behind.

Yes, the 1950's into the 60's, cultural racism was extremely prevalent and the civil rights movement was very necessary for our validation as equal citizens, are you implying that America's is just as racist today as it was in 1960? That is absolutely absurd! Black people are not off the hook for the decisions they've made in the last 40 years, we are equally accountable for the state of black America today, accountability is a must. AND despite America's discretions with race, USA remains the land of opportunity for all who wants it, including blacks. I swear it seems like all the other minority groups get it, except blacks!

Today in 2016, while it's true that blacks are on the bottom rung of capital due to too much government intervention. That doesn't mean that blacks lack the capability to restructure and invest into themselves without government intervention, the focus for blacks should be what's best for blacks perpetuated by blacks, stop worrying about what "other groups" are doing and focus on building our own capital as a contributing group within American society. this can be achieved when we stop boring everybody with our victimhood complex and take responsibility for the future of our own group. Starting with nothing and ending up will something depends upon the will of the group.

The liberal democrats will constantly remind you that America is racist and is built against you, and convince you to settle for the handouts they've made comfortable for you, so that you are defeated before you even begin to try to account for your own existence, and liberal democrats can use you to show everybody else how racist America is to help push Marxism. It's been 40 years since civil rights movement, when will blacks realize that we are being used by liberals, and not progressed by liberals. Realize that we have no friends and no allies, all we have is ourselves.

I have a question: With all honesty, do you think that Blacks are inept?
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8/16/2016 5:25:43 PM
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At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Nah. Freedom was the only foundation. Slavery was a worldwide trade, doesn't make it right, but owning others was a thing back then. The 3/5 was to prevent slave owners from counting their slaves as citizens, to increase their representation. Blacks were voting long before the voting right's and the civil war. The Constitution didn't need another amendment. Article 4 is pretty clear.

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The privilege was granted to citizens. Make all Slave citizens, boom problem solved.

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Slavery was falling apart long before the Civil War. People seeing other people as the lesser goes both ways, and is rampant throughout history. Even with the KKK running around Blacks were still forging ahead as a community. Blacks had literally nothing and were quickly gaining societal status. Jim Crow was needed because free market capitalism was creating integration. It depends on what you mean by privilege and which whites. Privilege has more to do with class than race, even then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Even with "Cultural Racism" Blacks went from 10% to 50% literacy rate by 1910. Blacks were in government positions (~2,000 during reconstruction). Lynching during the 20s was pretty much non existent.

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

This a case of the government creating the problem and then swooping to save day. Lucky for them no one was paying attention.

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

In some of the most racist times in America blacks have forged ahead. Why is it now that it seems to be such a problem? Blacks have been voting democrat for nearly a 100 years, they should be rolling in the dough. Something is certainly wrong, but I think it has little to do with "Cultural Racism". Look at the history of the Jews, Asians, or Irish.

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8/16/2016 10:36:03 PM
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At 8/15/2016 7:57:25 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 11:07:02 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:


John Oliver has some excellent pieces on how sketchy the loan industry is when it comes to dealing with the poor and desperate. They are not necessarily race specific, but given the majority of blacks are poor, these schemes target them especially.

Pay Day Loans: https://www.youtube.com...
Auto Lending: https://www.youtube.com...
Student Debt: https://www.youtube.com...


OK, let me start with the most disturbing part of your argument:

"They are not necessarily race specific, but given the majority of blacks are poor[...]" -- Bennett91

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, as well as every single website on the first five pages of a Google query (I stopped at the end of page 5, but it definitely kept going strong moving forward):

1) 27.4% of African-Americans live in poverty

According to mathematics:
2) 27.4% out of a total possible of 100%

According to common sense
3) 27.4% out of 100% is NOT a majority of

After watching those videos, I still find myself asking "At what point in time does personal responsibility take over?" Let's look back at the Census Bureau and breakdown that 27.4% and get to the root of the problem here:

http://blackdemographics.com...

1) Only 8% of Black married couple families live in poverty
2) 37% of Black families headed by single women live in poverty
3) 46% of Black families with children which are headed by single Black women live in poverty
4) 55% of all Black families with children are headed by single women.

What do the statistics tell us? It's pretty straight forward to me:

1) Black women, start doing a better job of picking the men you have sexual relations with. Currently, for every two black women who have kids, one of them will be left by their man.
2) Men in sexual relationships with black females, quit running out on your women like cowards when they have your kids
3) If the black community quits looking outward for excuses and begins looking inward for betterment, their lives and prosperity would significantly increase as can be seen by the 8% poverty rate by married black families

OK, now those videos show a lack of personal responsibility and a lack of drive to better oneself as well. I understand that these high risk and subprime lenders are providing really immoral products and services, but again, where is the personal responsibility?

As an example of this missing personal responsibility:

1) Payday Loans -- One of the persons interviewed said he got like a $250 loan, which he expected to pay $320 to repay. We are not told what happened, but he got himself in a spiral due to failure to repay the loan on time. He finished by telling us that he had to stop the spiral by going to his bank.

So let me make sure I understand this. You required a few hundred dollars in loan. You carefully considered the options available to you, and decided to go with a payday loan which is widely known to have the highest interest rates legally possible. Even after reading this on the contract you sign, and being told this by the lender, you still went with this high interest rate loan. You didn't think that going to your bank and asking for money, or a line of credit was the best option.

1) Random company having no relationship with you, who's entire business model and profit base is based upon you taking as long as possible to pay back a loan.

2) Your personal bank whose success and failure is based upon keeping you happy so you keep your money within their system.

Which is the best option for you to take for your best interest?

Then there was the moron with the auto loans. A lady goes into a store, leaving her small child in the car, buckled into her car seat in the back. The repo company comes and takes the vehicle with the child inside.

First off, why would you leave your baby inside of your car, alone, while you go shopping? Child endangerment much?

Second, please tell me that you were intelligent enough to file a lawsuit against both the repo company AND the financing company who hired the repo company? You ended up winning a massive sum of money, and no longer ever have to worry about sub prime loans again right? No? You didn't? Oh....well.....OK...

Then there was the lady who could not afford a car loan, knowingly accepted a subprime auto loan she could not afford, and complained when repo claimed the car. Her complaint was not about any illegal activity, but instead was that it took her 10 minutes to drive to work, but public transportation takes 90 minutes.

...and you have not thought of maybe...buying a bicycle to make that 10 minute travel in 20 minutes while getting some exercise? Yes, let's all feel sooo horrible for you.

So yes, there is some hilariously immoral stuff going on, and absolutely yes, public officials who oversee or create law for the same businesses they own, should be arrested and thrown in a dark hole. However, take some personal responsibility and make some better choices with your life.
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8/19/2016 3:23:20 AM
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At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

The liberals made sure it never ended. They race bait every chance they get. Things will be fine then liberal politicians make sure and make it an issue once again...while being...racists...
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8/19/2016 3:27:35 AM
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At 8/19/2016 3:23:20 AM, brontoraptor wrote:

The liberals made sure it never ended. They race bait every chance they get. Things will be fine then liberal politicians make sure and make it an issue once again...while being...racists...

If Liberals are the racists then why did a republican made voting district get shut down in Court? https://thinkprogress.org...
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8/19/2016 3:54:07 AM
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At 8/16/2016 4:51:44 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
At 8/16/2016 3:22:43 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:

Black Americans should consider minimum government maximum freedom, and a free market economy, it won't completely illiminate racism in society, but it would greatly be reduced, because the color that would matter most is green. Until then, instutional racism will continue to be prevelant in black Americans lives.

This was how it was in the 1950's and it didn't work out for blacks which prompted the civil rights movement of the 60's. Conservatism may address institutional racism by tearing down the institutions, but it doesn't address cultural racism which is what's truly at the root of institutional racism.

Yes, the 1950's into the 60's, cultural racism was extremely prevalent and the civil rights movement was very necessary for our validation as equal citizens, are you implying that America's is just as racist today as it was in 1960? That is absolutely absurd!

That's what I'm asking in the OP. How do we know how racist we are today? Did racism end or are we just conveniently pretending it did? Was the 70's just as racist as the 60's? Were the 80's just as racist as the 70's? What about from the 90's to today?

Black people are not off the hook for the decisions they've made in the last 40 years, we are equally accountable for the state of black America today, accountability is a must.

It sounds like you have an idea, tell me, what accountability do the whites have?

AND despite America's discretions with race, USA remains the land of opportunity for all who wants it, including blacks. I swear it seems like all the other minority groups get it, except blacks!

Well other minorities suffer from discrimination too. But historically speaking blacks have had the brunt end and most obvious forms of racism against them - I don't like the metaphor but blacks continue to be a whipping boy to this day.

Today in 2016, while it's true that blacks are on the bottom rung of capital due to too much government intervention. That doesn't mean that blacks lack the capability to restructure and invest into themselves without government intervention, the focus for blacks should be what's best for blacks perpetuated by blacks, stop worrying about what "other groups" are doing and focus on building our own capital as a contributing group within American society.

Where will this capital come from? In terms of collected assets by race blacks have the least. Hispanics slightly more. http://www.pewresearch.org...

this can be achieved when we stop boring everybody with our victimhood complex and take responsibility for the future of our own group. Starting with nothing and ending up will something depends upon the will of the group.

And what about the will of the other groups that have actively suppressed blacks - causing them to worry about other groups besides themselves. You're not familiar with the cycle of poverty are you?

The liberal democrats will constantly remind you that America is racist and is built against you, and convince you to settle for the handouts they've made comfortable for you, so that you are defeated before you even begin to try to account for your own existence, and liberal democrats can use you to show everybody else how racist America is to help push Marxism. It's been 40 years since civil rights movement, when will blacks realize that we are being used by liberals, and not progressed by liberals. Realize that we have no friends and no allies, all we have is ourselves.

I have a question: With all honesty, do you think that Blacks are inept?

It's funny that you ask me that after depicting blacks as mindless dependents or voting zombies who can't see the bigger picture. I always laugh when right wingers say blacks haven't progress under liberals. Yet the majority of poor black people live in the South and North Dakota, historically conservative voting grounds. GOP state governments, like North Carolina, have more influence than the federal government in day to day affairs. Liberal states like Cali, NY have lower than average black poverty, less white poverty too. Blacks aren't inept, but neither are the whites who actively suppress them.
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8/20/2016 12:28:16 AM
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At 8/19/2016 3:54:07 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/16/2016 4:51:44 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
At 8/16/2016 3:22:43 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/16/2016 11:48:25 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:

That's what I'm asking in the OP. How do we know how racist we are today? Did racism end or are we just conveniently pretending it did? Was the 70's just as racist as the 60's? Were the 80's just as racist as the 70's? What about from the 90's to today?

If you have to ask the question then obviously it's not as prevalent, supported by the fact that anybody from anywhere can succeed in USA, blacks included, now even more than before.

I'm not saying that institutionalized racism or individual racism doesn't exist, but it's definitely not prevalent enough to stop anyone from achieving goals.

It sounds like you have an idea, tell me, what accountability do the whites have?

Slavery was abolished 150 years ago, in 2016 and beyond, Whites in general as a group have ZERO obligation to Blacks in general as a group. In some Blacks minds, they are still in slavery, in a place they've never been. Some blacks are brain chained to the place where liberal democrats want to them to stay, manipulating blacks into believing they are still entitled to things/benefits/comforts they didn't earn, resulting in a perceived need for big government, and wealth redistribution.

Sure perception is reality, but those with proper deduction skills will note that perception is not obligated to honesty and does not correlate to truth.

Every black person is capable of making their own decisions in life, none of which are forced. If you knowingly make bad choices in life, expect bad results to ensue, simple logic that must be accepted and the individual must be held accountable for.

Well other minorities suffer from discrimination too. But historically speaking blacks have had the brunt end and most obvious forms of racism against them - I don't like the metaphor but blacks continue to be a whipping boy to this day.

Yes because the democratic party advances on the support of Black grievance. Too many Blacks are too dependent on the government for their own livelihood, thinking that the democrats are "doing something" for them, but fail to realize it comes with a devastating price of losing self sustainability, dignity and respect.

Where will this capital come from? In terms of collected assets by race blacks have the least. Hispanics slightly more. http://www.pewresearch.org...

The way out of poverty is by doing for others, and providing a service, the better you are at a service the more capital you can gain, in addition to and the ability to invest into your family's future whom you'll bring up to continue to keep up and build upon the legacy, reputation, respect you've built for years to come.

Unfortunately some blacks are being misguided into thinking "service" equates to "slavery" and believe that other groups should be deprived of their rights for Blacks comfort and entitlement.

And what about the will of the other groups that have actively suppressed blacks - causing them to worry about other groups besides themselves. You're not familiar with the cycle of poverty are you?

Other groups and the poverty cycle are irrelevant for success in USA, neither of which can stop you from succeeding if you want to, so stop making excuses and start producing results by your own meritocracy. The "rags to riches" archetype is not a myth, especially in USA.

It's funny that you ask me that after depicting blacks as mindless dependents or voting zombies who can't see the bigger picture. I always laugh when right wingers say blacks haven't progress under liberals. Yet the majority of poor black people live in the South and North Dakota, historically conservative voting grounds. GOP state governments, like North Carolina, have more influence than the federal government in day to day affairs. Liberal states like Cali, NY have lower than average black poverty, less white poverty too. Blacks aren't inept, but neither are the whites who actively suppress them.

Blacks need brutal honesty not sugar coated bull sh*t, YES most blacks are being herded and manipulated for votes, they cling to their liberal handouts, while being upset over their current conditions, crying about being victims of institutionalized racism, clearly perpetuated by the democrats they support by 95%, I swear it's the worst case of Stockholm syndrome in the history of the world. If democrats are making life so wonderful for blacks, what the f*ck are they crying for?? No wonder no one respects Blacks.

It's not the governments job to provide for you, and giving in to sniveling entitlement and demands for special treatment is not in correlation to progress either, but settlement which is the opposite of progress.
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8/20/2016 12:50:04 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 8:02:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that institutional racism was part of the foundation of this country. Slavery, 3/5 Clause, denial of Suffrage in the North, these are obvious ways the US established blacks as a inferior race meant to serve white masters. We can safely say "White Privilege" existed then. By 1870 slavery, 3/5 and denial of male suffrage were abolished by Constitutional Amendments. That's officially 82 years form Ratification of the US Constitution to when it Ratified the 15th Amendment officially ending slavery (1788-1870).

Privilege defined as a 'special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.'

The Civil War ended Slavery, in the eyes of the Federal Government the black man could theoretically vote alongside a white man. But did the Civil War and subsequent Amendments end cultural racism? The laws may have changed, but the culture did not. Soon the KKK emerged to suppress the body politic of blacks. In the South Jim Crow made separate but equal the Law, the North instituted it's own forms of cultural and legal segregation, especially in schools. [http://www.h-net.org...] We can say "White Privilege" existed back then.

Cultural Racism still existed in the 20's. The KKK expanded membership dramatically to a 1924 peak of 1.5 million to 4 million, which was between 4-15% of the eligible population. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Post WW2 the cultural and literal Ubermench known as Superman reminded America that the KKK were a bunch of racist weirdos, drastically effecting membership. But just because public association dwindled does not mean the sentiment they represented did.

Brown v. Board of Ed. (1954) made illegal separate but equal in schools; followed by the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment which made illegal the cultural practice of denying blacks interstate business services. 1965 Voting Rights Act made the common practice of racial Gerrymadering illegal. The Law changed, but did the culture? No, in areas such as housing blacks were denied opportunity, the so called free hand of the market had a bias, contributing to ghettoization and systemic poverty for blacks [http://www.theatlantic.com...].

Fast forward to Nov. 2008; Barack Obama is elected President. From then to 2013 the number of "anti-government patriot groups rose 813 percent" [http://atlantablackstar.com...] Clearly despite the law changing there are elements of the US populace and culture that have not changed. Racism clearly exists in the hearts of Americans, how this effects our culture and Government institutions has been pointed out by many black voices like Cornell West [http://www.chicagodsa.org...], Angela Davis [http://www.truth-out.org...], and Charles W. Mills [http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu...].

My question to you is since we can prove that racism hindered blacks in the past giving advantage to whites - and this trend lasted for hundreds of years and the sentiments passed from parent to child are not limited by legislation or Court rulings- have the hindering effects a racism in all spheres of life really ended in the US? If yes, when did racism cease to be a political, economic and cultural factor in the lives of blacks and other minorities?

Never. The minorities and self hating whites made sure that hurdle !as never fully cleared. Then Obama pulled the stitches right out and flipped off the U.S.
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8/20/2016 1:09:28 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/20/2016 12:50:04 AM, brontoraptor wrote:

Never. The minorities and self hating whites made sure that hurdle !as never fully cleared. Then Obama pulled the stitches right out and flipped off the U.S.

And minority hating whites stopped existing when?