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Bennett91
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8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.
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8/19/2016 5:21:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

Hero.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
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That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
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8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?
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8/19/2016 5:37:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

Obviously I don't support the sexual assault part of his history. But he's been stuck in that embassy for a while now, so he can't hurt anyone and still publish government secrets.
David Hildebrand - The Progressive Alternative to Dianne Feinstein! http://www.davidforcalifornia.com...

When the Fascist and the Communist argue over which ideology is better they're really just arguing over preferred styles of bureaucracy before getting sent to a death camp.

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8/19/2016 5:44:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:37:33 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

Obviously I don't support the sexual assault part of his history. But he's been stuck in that embassy for a while now, so he can't hurt anyone and still publish government secrets.

Doesnt the rapist part taint his *goodness*?
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8/19/2016 5:48:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

Fvcking boss.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
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8/19/2016 5:49:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:48:24 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

Fvcking boss.

What about his releasing too much information which hurt many civilians. Some turkey thing or something like that
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8/19/2016 5:52:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:44:07 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:37:33 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

Obviously I don't support the sexual assault part of his history. But he's been stuck in that embassy for a while now, so he can't hurt anyone and still publish government secrets.

Doesnt the rapist part taint his *goodness*?

"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

IMO his good actions do not cover up his bad actions, so is true the other way around. We can acknowledge that overall he is helping the world while having deep personal flaws.
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When the Fascist and the Communist argue over which ideology is better they're really just arguing over preferred styles of bureaucracy before getting sent to a death camp.

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8/19/2016 5:55:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

Real men rape.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
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8/19/2016 6:02:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:55:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

Real men rape.

It's not rape when a Muslim does it. Allahu akbar wahabi wahabi sharia.
David Hildebrand - The Progressive Alternative to Dianne Feinstein! http://www.davidforcalifornia.com...

When the Fascist and the Communist argue over which ideology is better they're really just arguing over preferred styles of bureaucracy before getting sent to a death camp.

Current Debate: Tyrion Lannister is the Best GoT Character http://www.debate.org...
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8/19/2016 6:12:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

He will end up dead in the next 10-20 years.
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8/19/2016 6:28:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:44:07 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:37:33 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

Obviously I don't support the sexual assault part of his history. But he's been stuck in that embassy for a while now, so he can't hurt anyone and still publish government secrets.

Doesnt the rapist part taint his *goodness*?

He has never been tried, let alone found guilty of any sexual offence.
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8/20/2016 3:42:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:49:37 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:48:24 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

Fvcking boss.

What about his releasing too much information which hurt many civilians. Some turkey thing or something like that

He didn't upload, he just linked to it, from what I understand. Manufactured outrage, for the most part.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

"We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment."
- Thomas Carlyle -
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8/20/2016 5:38:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

A complete net positive. He has shown the documented corruption in the American political system, and for that, we all owe him a debt.
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8/20/2016 5:39:15 AM
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Mainstream journalism has gone to hell in a handbasket. Agenda/narrative-shaping takes precedence over just putting truth out there and letting people make their own judgments. In this environment you have to have the Julian Assanges of the world putting it all out there.
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8/20/2016 5:46:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/20/2016 5:38:34 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

A complete net positive. He has shown the documented corruption in the American political system, and for that, we all owe him a debt.

^

In a world that ever increasingly relies upon the openness of information for direction, he checks political power.
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8/20/2016 5:47:32 AM
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At 8/20/2016 5:46:43 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:38:34 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

A complete net positive. He has shown the documented corruption in the American political system, and for that, we all owe him a debt.

^

In a world that ever increasingly relies upon the openness of information for direction, he checks political power.

Agreed
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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8/20/2016 5:49:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:23:23 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

I'd say Net Positive. He exposes the dark, corrupt and outright illegal things the government is doing. But he's kinda careless in how he just dumps all the data without concern for what it contains.

In general whistle blowers are a vital part of good governance.

What do you think about his rape scandals?

They haven't been proven now, have they? You can't accuse someone of rape just because a woman said so.
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8/20/2016 5:50:49 AM
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At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

Positive, he has helped leak evil and corrupt things being done secretively by several governments.
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8/20/2016 5:55:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

If I met him, I would say thank you for all you have done to expose injustice.
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8/20/2016 9:29:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 6:28:40 AM, desmac wrote:
He has never been tried, let alone found guilty of any sexual offence.
That's because Assange cowered in an embassy, waiting for the statue of limitations to run out. Some hero.

As for answering the OP, Assange is a mere extension of Russia's propaganda war. An internet troll made flesh.
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8/20/2016 10:55:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

He disgusts me.
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8/21/2016 12:52:06 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 8/20/2016 10:55:08 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

He disgusts me.

why? Although, he does *look* disgusting, but regardless of that
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8/21/2016 12:54:30 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:52:06 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 8/20/2016 10:55:08 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:14:59 AM, Hayd wrote:
What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he has had a net positive or negative on the world?

He disgusts me.

why? Although, he does *look* disgusting, but regardless of that

He is not attractive in any respect, but what I really dislike about him is how he makes his money.

Assange is a broker in international espionage who secures his freedom by essentially blackmailing every major government, while putting US diplomatic workers and US intelligence workers at risk.

People who regard him as any species of a hero do so because they don't have the background to recognize Assange's real motives/interests.

Assange is not a good person, in any respect.
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