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8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM
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8/19/2016 9:13:50 PM
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Obama hasn't told the truth on one thing yet. Liberals? "Praise him....praise him...praise him...praise him...oh thou Lucifer...praise him."

Conservative: why?

Liberal: we are mindless idiots hellbound to destroy our children and ourselves..."
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8/19/2016 9:15:56 PM
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At 8/19/2016 9:13:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

A bit extreme. However, do you have any comments specifically relevant to the story?
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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8/19/2016 9:55:28 PM
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At 8/19/2016 9:18:28 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
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Iransom.

Yeah...your boy is an antiAmerican mole. Anything else?
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8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM
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Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.
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8/19/2016 10:43:45 PM
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This was a lose lose to obama

Either dont do the ransom and have fox news call him a traitor who wont save american troops

Or do the ransom and fox news call him out on funding terrorism

Either one has their downfalls but his terrible mistake was keeping it secret. That really screwed obama
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8/20/2016 1:46:05 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 9:18:28 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
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Iransom.

Lol.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM
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At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
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Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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8/20/2016 1:49:06 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 10:43:45 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
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This was a lose lose to obama

It appears so. The ultimate mistake was not being up-front and honest. People questioned the payment originally -- they should have known it wouldn't stay covered forever.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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8/20/2016 2:47:40 AM
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I don't understand. If we owed Iran money, why would you pay them until they released the prisoners?. It would have been even worse to pay them and not get our people back.
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8/20/2016 3:08:48 AM
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At 8/20/2016 2:47:40 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
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I don't understand. If we owed Iran money, why would you pay them until they released the prisoners?. It would have been even worse to pay them and not get our people back.

Very, very true. I think it was a diplomatic failure in more than one way.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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8/20/2016 9:15:56 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts? : :

Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning. : :'

Obama is nothing but a liar like all politicians are who are only interested in their own selfish lives.
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8/20/2016 1:21:13 PM
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At 8/20/2016 2:47:40 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
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I don't understand. If we owed Iran money, why would you pay them until they released the prisoners?. It would have been even worse to pay them and not get our people back.

I ran took them specifically for the purposes of ensuring the 500 mill was paid. Think of it as insurance in that regard.

The US: "We owe you 500 mill"
Iran: "And when will we get it"
the US: "At a time appointed as our agreed upon treaty thing."
-Iran captures some dudes-
Iran: "How about now? Now seems good."
the US: "Yeah, the treaty thing says now seems good too".
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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8/22/2016 4:39:22 PM
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At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
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Barack is the most ignorant President in history or the most deceptive. You decide.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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8/22/2016 5:14:59 PM
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At 8/22/2016 4:39:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

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Barack is the most ignorant President in history or the most deceptive. You decide.

Mr. Obama is. without question, the best President this century.
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8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts? : :

Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning.

Ronald Reagan on why he sold arms secretly to Iran

"My purpose was " to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. " At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there."

Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.
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8/22/2016 7:03:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/20/2016 2:47:40 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

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I don't understand. If we owed Iran money, why would you pay them until they released the prisoners?. It would have been even worse to pay them and not get our people back.

Still a ransom payment no matter how libs try to spin it.
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8/22/2016 7:05:06 PM
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At 8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts? : :

Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning.

Ronald Reagan on why he sold arms secretly to Iran

"My purpose was " to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. " At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there."

Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.

1 - Because Reagan did something, doesn't make it okay for Obama to do it, even though they aren't remotely the same thing.

2 - Our relationship with Iran was much different in the 80s than it is today.
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8/22/2016 8:41:46 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/22/2016 5:14:59 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/22/2016 4:39:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts?

Barack is the most ignorant President in history or the most deceptive. You decide.

Mr. Obama is. without question, the best President this century.

Really? Unemployment? Up.

Country? Divided.

Libya? Bombed it unprovoked and sent it into chaos.

Egypt? Ousted Mobarak unprovoked sending it into a military vs puppet government war. Syria. Ignored 400,000 murders per chemical weapons for 4 years, then demanded we all do something to fix the massive surplus of refugees that his silence and complacency caused.

Putin? Finally grew the stones to control regions militarily and with bombs that he previously was afraid to go into because normally he would have a serious American threat if he did what he wanted in those regions. Outcome? Civil war, chaos, and serious threats to EU national security.

ISIS? Caused it.

Benghazi?

Shall I continue or will you turn me in for spam?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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8/22/2016 8:43:49 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/22/2016 7:03:12 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/20/2016 2:47:40 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts?

I don't understand. If we owed Iran money, why would you pay them until they released the prisoners?. It would have been even worse to pay them and not get our people back.

Still a ransom payment no matter how libs try to spin it.

These are the same minds that need physical torture to get hard.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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8/22/2016 8:44:26 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/22/2016 8:41:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/22/2016 5:14:59 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/22/2016 4:39:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts?

Barack is the most ignorant President in history or the most deceptive. You decide.

Mr. Obama is. without question, the best President this century.

Really? Unemployment? Up.

Country? Divided.

Libya? Bombed it unprovoked and sent it into chaos.

Egypt? Ousted Mobarak unprovoked sending it into a military vs puppet government war. Syria. Ignored 400,000 murders per chemical weapons for 4 years, then demanded we all do something to fix the massive surplus of refugees that his silence and complacency caused.

Putin? Finally grew the stones to control regions militarily and with bombs that he previously was afraid to go into because normally he would have a serious American threat if he did what he wanted in those regions. Outcome? Civil war, chaos, and serious threats to EU national security.

ISIS? Caused it.

Benghazi?

Shall I continue or will you turn me in for spam?

I would love to turn you into spam.
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8/22/2016 8:46:01 PM
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At 8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.

Really, though, I don't see the point in covering up something like this. It inherently causes suspicion when money is transferred and prisoners are released.
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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8/22/2016 9:18:36 PM
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We'll need to forget that Obama outspent all other 43 Presidents combined and all as a "nonwartime President" according to himself.

This non wartime President dropped more bombs than any other President and spent more money than all other Presidents combined, and all as unemplyment went into the stratosphere....it's not about results to the Dems. It's about who gives the best lip service.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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8/23/2016 3:23:53 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/22/2016 8:46:01 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.

Really, though, I don't see the point in covering up something like this. It inherently causes suspicion when money is transferred and prisoners are released.

Agreed
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8/23/2016 3:29:47 AM
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At 8/22/2016 7:05:06 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts? : :

Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning.

Ronald Reagan on why he sold arms secretly to Iran

"My purpose was " to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. " At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there."

Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.

1 - Because Reagan did something, doesn't make it okay for Obama to do it, even though they aren't remotely the same thing.

2 - Our relationship with Iran was much different in the 80s than it is today.

Yeah, it was only 7 years after they captured 50 some US Citizens as hostages for 444 days and under UN sanctions the US and security council approved.

I'll give you poi t number one, but there is nary a Republican who would criticize Ronny for illegal weapon sales to a known sponsor of terrorism.
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8/23/2016 3:00:50 PM
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At 8/23/2016 3:29:47 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/22/2016 7:05:06 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts? : :

Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning.

Ronald Reagan on why he sold arms secretly to Iran

"My purpose was " to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. " At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there."

Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.

1 - Because Reagan did something, doesn't make it okay for Obama to do it, even though they aren't remotely the same thing.

2 - Our relationship with Iran was much different in the 80s than it is today.

Yeah, it was only 7 years after they captured 50 some US Citizens as hostages for 444 days and under UN sanctions the US and security council approved.

I'll give you poi t number one, but there is nary a Republican who would criticize Ronny for illegal weapon sales to a known sponsor of terrorism.

The difference is that Reagan appointed a council to investigate the Contra Affair, but Obama actually lied and said the money had nothing to do with hostages. I'm a Republican, and it's my opinion that the Contra Affair was obviously illegal, and is certainly a black mark on the Reagan administration. But Obama just blatantly lied and tried to swindle the whole nation into believing the money had nothing to do with hostages when it was so obvious it did. LOL at least Reagan tried to be clandestine about it!
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8/23/2016 6:03:24 PM
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At 8/23/2016 3:00:50 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/23/2016 3:29:47 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/22/2016 7:05:06 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 8/22/2016 6:14:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:48:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 8/19/2016 10:40:26 PM, createdman wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts? : :

Iran would not have released the hostages if they didn't get that money in cash. It's very obvious it was a ransom situation.

Perhaps. I think this should cause at least some sort of concern for people, regardless of political party affiliation. We're supposedly under a no-ransom policy, but this appears to be ransom. Either there is some serious explanation that needs to be publicized, or we're meandering away from the policy. Either way, the secret nature of this operation is what is most concerning.

Ronald Reagan on why he sold arms secretly to Iran

"My purpose was " to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. " At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there."

Who we kidding, we have used influence, money, arms, in all types of forms and fashions to negotiate with terrorists.

1 - Because Reagan did something, doesn't make it okay for Obama to do it, even though they aren't remotely the same thing.

2 - Our relationship with Iran was much different in the 80s than it is today.

Yeah, it was only 7 years after they captured 50 some US Citizens as hostages for 444 days and under UN sanctions the US and security council approved.

I'll give you poi t number one, but there is nary a Republican who would criticize Ronny for illegal weapon sales to a known sponsor of terrorism.

The difference is that Reagan appointed a council to investigate the Contra Affair, but Obama actually lied and said the money had nothing to do with hostages. I'm a Republican, and it's my opinion that the Contra Affair was obviously illegal, and is certainly a black mark on the Reagan administration. But Obama just blatantly lied and tried to swindle the whole nation into believing the money had nothing to do with hostages when it was so obvious it did. LOL at least Reagan tried to be clandestine about it!

Forget about Contras. Ronnie admittedly sold weapons to our enemy and supporter of terrorism to help get hostages back in Lebenon. He knew about it and condoned it. You and others can argue whether he knew about the contra side of it.

So it is much much worse than Obama negotiating a favorable deal to pay Iran much less than what we owed them and used that payment as leverage.
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8/23/2016 6:29:18 PM
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At 8/22/2016 5:14:59 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/22/2016 4:39:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:11:30 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://hosted.ap.org...

Thoughts?

Barack is the most ignorant President in history or the most deceptive. You decide.

Mr. Obama is. without question, the best President this century.

And Hillary is the most qualified president in the last 2 and a half centuries. Without question.