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8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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8/19/2016 9:45:10 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

Correction: If the Imams say they are"NOT" Islamic
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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8/20/2016 5:54:09 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

They are Islamic, radically Islamic. This is an overused example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.
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8/20/2016 12:20:32 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/20/2016 5:54:09 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

They are Islamic, radically Islamic. This is an overused example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.

I understand that they are Islamic, but I am lectured that they are not.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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8/20/2016 12:43:05 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

Its a liberal double standard. I dont rwally understand how saying isis is Islamic. If the muslims in the middle east are going to become isis members then we need to bomb them too
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8/20/2016 1:03:01 PM
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At 8/20/2016 12:43:05 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

Its a liberal double standard. I dont rwally understand how saying isis is Islamic. If the muslims in the middle east are going to become isis members then we need to bomb them too

What about the radicalised Islamacist Jihadi's in Detroit, LA, NYC, London, Paris and Brussels? Bomb them too?
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8/20/2016 1:04:30 PM
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At 8/20/2016 1:03:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/20/2016 12:43:05 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

Its a liberal double standard. I dont rwally understand how saying isis is Islamic. If the muslims in the middle east are going to become isis members then we need to bomb them too

What about the radicalised Islamacist Jihadi's in Detroit, LA, NYC, London, Paris and Brussels? Bomb them too?

I meant thr muslims in the middle east.

But your partially right we need to expel or capture them and kill them. Not bombing though lol. You'll kill the innocents
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desmac
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8/20/2016 1:07:50 PM
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At 8/20/2016 1:04:30 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:03:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/20/2016 12:43:05 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

Its a liberal double standard. I dont rwally understand how saying isis is Islamic. If the muslims in the middle east are going to become isis members then we need to bomb them too

What about the radicalised Islamacist Jihadi's in Detroit, LA, NYC, London, Paris and Brussels? Bomb them too?

I meant thr muslims in the middle east.

But your partially right we need to expel or capture them and kill them. Not bombing though lol. You'll kill the innocents

It is the killing of innocents by American and Allied bombs in the Middle East that is radicalising a lot of Moslems.
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8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM
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At 8/20/2016 1:07:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:04:30 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:03:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/20/2016 12:43:05 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

Its a liberal double standard. I dont rwally understand how saying isis is Islamic. If the muslims in the middle east are going to become isis members then we need to bomb them too

What about the radicalised Islamacist Jihadi's in Detroit, LA, NYC, London, Paris and Brussels? Bomb them too?

I meant thr muslims in the middle east.

But your partially right we need to expel or capture them and kill them. Not bombing though lol. You'll kill the innocents

It is the killing of innocents by American and Allied bombs in the Middle East that is radicalising a lot of Moslems.

50 percent of muslims are already radicals. I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators
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triangle.128k
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8/20/2016 1:20:22 PM
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At 8/20/2016 12:20:32 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:54:09 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

They are Islamic, radically Islamic. This is an overused example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.

I understand that they are Islamic, but I am lectured that they are not.

Purely because of political correctness; they don't want to sound "islamophobic."
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8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.
"Praise Allah."
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8/20/2016 5:39:31 PM
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At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

The stupidity of overthrowing secular dictators, yes.
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8/20/2016 5:44:19 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:39:31 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

The stupidity of overthrowing secular dictators, yes.

Overthrowing governments willy nilly, them replacing said government with a puppet dictator only to be overthrown a few decades later.
"Praise Allah."
~YYW
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8/20/2016 5:45:28 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:44:19 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:39:31 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

The stupidity of overthrowing secular dictators, yes.

Overthrowing governments willy nilly, them replacing said government with a puppet dictator only to be overthrown a few decades later.

Secular authoritarian dictators were better than what the middle east has now.
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8/20/2016 5:46:37 PM
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At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

LOL

No. Thr problem was overthrowing the SECULAR dictatorships

Be thankful you live in the us. At least we dont chop off your head if your stupid
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8/20/2016 5:48:09 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:44:19 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:39:31 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

The stupidity of overthrowing secular dictators, yes.

Overthrowing governments willy nilly, them replacing said government with a puppet dictator only to be overthrown a few decades later.

Thats why you support the dictators to supress the rebels
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UtherPenguin
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8/20/2016 5:49:42 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:46:37 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

LOL

No. Thr problem was overthrowing the SECULAR dictatorships

Once more, overthrowing governments I the same rapidity as was done by American foreign policy was an entirely destabilizing force, regardless of whether secular or not.

Be thankful you live in the us. At least we dont chop off your head if your stupid

I don't live in the US, and I am thankful, because I'm not living there.
"Praise Allah."
~YYW
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8/20/2016 5:52:49 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:45:28 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:44:19 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:39:31 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

The stupidity of overthrowing secular dictators, yes.

Overthrowing governments willy nilly, them replacing said government with a puppet dictator only to be overthrown a few decades later.

Secular authoritarian dictators were better than what the middle east has now.

Incompletent government is better than no government at all.
"Praise Allah."
~YYW
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8/20/2016 5:59:01 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:49:42 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:46:37 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/20/2016 4:30:17 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 1:11:40 PM, Capital wrote:
I dont see the problem is wiping out the muslim governments in the region and replacing then with dictators

That kind of stupidity is what led to most of the problems in the middle east I'm the first place.

LOL

No. Thr problem was overthrowing the SECULAR dictatorships

Once more, overthrowing governments I the same rapidity as was done by American foreign policy was an entirely destabilizing force, regardless of whether secular or not.

Be thankful you live in the us. At least we dont chop off your head if your stupid

I don't live in the US, and I am thankful, because I'm not living there.

Your thankful because you dont live in yhe greatest country in the world? Lol ok

And again isis rose because bush took out Saddam but more importantly because obama withdrew forces
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8/20/2016 6:07:35 PM
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At 8/20/2016 5:59:01 PM, Capital wrote:
And again isis rose because bush took out Saddam but more importantly because obama withdrew forces

Once more, it's cause Bush had no problem overthrowing the government on the basis of bogus claims.
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8/20/2016 6:09:28 PM
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At 8/20/2016 6:07:35 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/20/2016 5:59:01 PM, Capital wrote:
And again isis rose because bush took out Saddam but more importantly because obama withdrew forces

Once more, it's cause Bush had no problem overthrowing the government on the basis of bogus claims.

Yeah and that was a terrible move by bush

Just because hes republican im not going to shill for him
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9/10/2016 4:36:46 PM
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At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

I view Islam the same way I do all religion. A pernicious, and violent tradition, soaked in the blood of thousands of innocents. There is no peace in any of the Ibrahimic faiths
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9/10/2016 7:48:19 PM
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At 9/10/2016 4:36:46 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

I view Islam the same way I do all religion. A pernicious, and violent tradition, soaked in the blood of thousands of innocents. There is no peace in any of the Ibrahimic faiths

As opposed to the state which clearly has a much better record. Take communism and socialism for example. Those ideologies are only responsible for maybe only ten or twenty people being murdered in their respective names.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/10/2016 7:51:29 PM
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At 9/10/2016 7:48:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:36:46 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

I view Islam the same way I do all religion. A pernicious, and violent tradition, soaked in the blood of thousands of innocents. There is no peace in any of the Ibrahimic faiths

As opposed to the state which clearly has a much better record. Take communism and socialism for example. Those ideologies are only responsible for maybe only ten or twenty people being murdered in their respective names.

I don't believe in the idea of the state, and, unlike you perhaps, I am very sceptical of most western criticisms of communism as a lot of it is simply McCarthyist propaganda over truth
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9/10/2016 9:02:42 PM
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At 9/10/2016 7:51:29 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 9/10/2016 7:48:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:36:46 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

I view Islam the same way I do all religion. A pernicious, and violent tradition, soaked in the blood of thousands of innocents. There is no peace in any of the Ibrahimic faiths

As opposed to the state which clearly has a much better record. Take communism and socialism for example. Those ideologies are only responsible for maybe only ten or twenty people being murdered in their respective names.

I don't believe in the idea of the state, and, unlike you perhaps, I am very sceptical of most western criticisms of communism as a lot of it is simply McCarthyist propaganda over truth

Um you don't have to listen to any western views about it. You can find this information directly from the countries that are and were ruled by socialism and communism. You don't want the state, you don't want religion, just exactly how do you plan to govern or in the case of the state rule the behaviors of people and provide vital services such as sanitation and roads. Are you telling me anarchy will provide such services to large populations?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/10/2016 9:19:59 PM
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Um you don't have to listen to any western views about it. You can find this information directly from the countries that are and were ruled by socialism and communism. You don't want the state, you don't want religion, just exactly how do you plan to govern or in the case of the state rule the behaviors of people and provide vital services such as sanitation and roads. Are you telling me anarchy will provide such services to large populations?

I am an anarchist Marxist and thus seek communism without socialism. Communism, of course, is the end goal of socialism. The stateless and classless society, without governance, as governance literally means "to control others".

Religion poisons everything. Catholicism is a structurally violent and repressive religion that has raped and destroyed cultures in South America and Africa. Islam has, well, you've seen the Middle East. Judaism in Israel. Religion is an insidious and dangerous force and counter-active against human progress and freedom

I believe that a society structured around collectivism and direct democracy would be the best solution to most problems. Look into Social Ecology by Murray Bookchin if you want to understand my ideology

P.S. Most examples of true communism (Free Territory of Ukraine, Catalonia, Rojava (present day) etc), have a very happy populace. They are free and living in a society based on libertarian socialism and democracy. And Marxism-Leninism has had several successes. Vietnam was greatly improved by Ho Chi Minh, and communism transformed Cuba into a much better place to live, after Batista oppressed the people for years. South America, currently, is improving economically because of socialism. Look at Uruguay, one of the most democratic countries in the world, incredibly environmental and very free, used to be run by a socialist and former anarchist communist, Jose Mujica, who transformed politics in South America. Ecuador has collectivised many factories and farms in recent years, becoming a very equitable society.

Meanwhile, in Catholic and capitalist Uganda, the gays are oppressed and a dictatorship lives on happily. Or Indonesia, after the fall of communism in 1965, led to the uprising of a dictator who massacred 2 million communists and oppressed the people of Timor, and much of SE Asia, all capitalist, and all backed by the US, and all very Islamic. Or the slaughter of 10% of the Cambodian population... by the US, meanwhile, in communist Vietnam the people are happy, and democratic, and have faith in their SOCIALIST government. Or in Cuba where Fidel Castro is loved for his social reforms that eradicated HIV and Syphilis in childbirth, or the gender equality in Parliament, or the literacy rate, or having to cope with a backlog of Batista's failed capitalism

Socialism has improved the lives of many people across the world and will continue to do so. I am against the State as it is in capitalist society. An oppressive and violent function. Or as it is in Marxist-Leninist societies (USSR, Mao's China, Cambodia etc). a violent functionary of State Capitalism. But I am not against governments if they serve a purpose and function for the people as they do currently in many socialist countries
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9/10/2016 10:31:14 PM
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At 9/10/2016 9:19:59 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
Um you don't have to listen to any western views about it. You can find this information directly from the countries that are and were ruled by socialism and communism. You don't want the state, you don't want religion, just exactly how do you plan to govern or in the case of the state rule the behaviors of people and provide vital services such as sanitation and roads. Are you telling me anarchy will provide such services to large populations?

I am an anarchist Marxist and thus seek communism without socialism. Communism, of course, is the end goal of socialism. The stateless and classless society, without governance, as governance literally means "to control others".

Religion poisons everything. Catholicism is a structurally violent and repressive religion that has raped and destroyed cultures in South America and Africa. Islam has, well, you've seen the Middle East. Judaism in Israel. Religion is an insidious and dangerous force and counter-active against human progress and freedom

I believe that a society structured around collectivism and direct democracy would be the best solution to most problems. Look into Social Ecology by Murray Bookchin if you want to understand my ideology

P.S. Most examples of true communism (Free Territory of Ukraine, Catalonia, Rojava (present day) etc), have a very happy populace. They are free and living in a society based on libertarian socialism and democracy. And Marxism-Leninism has had several successes. Vietnam was greatly improved by Ho Chi Minh, and communism transformed Cuba into a much better place to live, after Batista oppressed the people for years. South America, currently, is improving economically because of socialism. Look at Uruguay, one of the most democratic countries in the world, incredibly environmental and very free, used to be run by a socialist and former anarchist communist, Jose Mujica, who transformed politics in South America. Ecuador has collectivised many factories and farms in recent years, becoming a very equitable society.

Can we really call Rojava communistic? They still have faux-private property rights and currency. IIRC, the free territories also had currency and a majority of the sections of Catalonia also had currency or vouchers (other than Aragon).
Meanwhile, in Catholic and capitalist Uganda, the gays are oppressed and a dictatorship lives on happily. Or Indonesia, after the fall of communism in 1965, led to the uprising of a dictator who massacred 2 million communists and oppressed the people of Timor, and much of SE Asia, all capitalist, and all backed by the US, and all very Islamic. Or the slaughter of 10% of the Cambodian population... by the US, meanwhile, in communist Vietnam the people are happy, and democratic, and have faith in their SOCIALIST government. Or in Cuba where Fidel Castro is loved for his social reforms that eradicated HIV and Syphilis in childbirth, or the gender equality in Parliament, or the literacy rate, or having to cope with a backlog of Batista's failed capitalism

Socialism has improved the lives of many people across the world and will continue to do so. I am against the State as it is in capitalist society. An oppressive and violent function. Or as it is in Marxist-Leninist societies (USSR, Mao's China, Cambodia etc). a violent functionary of State Capitalism. But I am not against governments if they serve a purpose and function for the people as they do currently in many socialist countries
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9/10/2016 10:41:42 PM
Posted: 3 months ago

Can we really call Rojava communistic? They still have faux-private property rights and currency. IIRC, the free territories also had currency and a majority of the sections of Catalonia also had currency or vouchers (other than Aragon).

I think we can. The money they use is mainly to spend outside of the country (capitalism is still prevalent in many countries and entities they trade with) so they have to use it up to a point, and personal property is acceptable. You have a home, vehicle etc and that's fine
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9/10/2016 11:28:09 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/10/2016 7:51:29 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 9/10/2016 7:48:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:36:46 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 8/19/2016 9:43:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
If terrorists from Islamic nations are said to be not Islamic but just terrorists and don't follow the teachings of Islam then why does anyone have to cater to their Islamic cultural demands when they are captured and imprisoned?. IE: provide them with a Quran, not give them pork and all the other stuff that they demand. If the Imams say they are Islamic then no accommodations need to be made, they are just evil scum sucking maggots and should be lucky to even get a pork chop to eat.

I view Islam the same way I do all religion. A pernicious, and violent tradition, soaked in the blood of thousands of innocents. There is no peace in any of the Ibrahimic faiths

As opposed to the state which clearly has a much better record. Take communism and socialism for example. Those ideologies are only responsible for maybe only ten or twenty people being murdered in their respective names.

I don't believe in the idea of the state, and, unlike you perhaps, I am very sceptical of most western criticisms of communism as a lot of it is simply McCarthyist propaganda over truth

No, it's economic analysis and financial calculations all culminating into a central and dignified hatred for the most idiotic sociopolitical system ever devised.
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9/11/2016 12:03:22 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/10/2016 9:19:59 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
Um you don't have to listen to any western views about it. You can find this information directly from the countries that are and were ruled by socialism and communism. You don't want the state, you don't want religion, just exactly how do you plan to govern or in the case of the state rule the behaviors of people and provide vital services such as sanitation and roads. Are you telling me anarchy will provide such services to large populations?

I am an anarchist Marxist and thus seek communism without socialism. Communism, of course, is the end goal of socialism. The stateless and classless society, without governance, as governance literally means "to control others".

Religion poisons everything. Catholicism is a structurally violent and repressive religion that has raped and destroyed cultures in South America and Africa. Islam has, well, you've seen the Middle East. Judaism in Israel. Religion is an insidious and dangerous force and counter-active against human progress and freedom

I believe that a society structured around collectivism and direct democracy would be the best solution to most problems. Look into Social Ecology by Murray Bookchin if you want to understand my ideology

P.S. Most examples of true communism (Free Territory of Ukraine, Catalonia, Rojava (present day) etc), have a very happy populace. They are free and living in a society based on libertarian socialism and democracy. And Marxism-Leninism has had several successes. Vietnam was greatly improved by Ho Chi Minh, and communism transformed Cuba into a much better place to live, after Batista oppressed the people for years. South America, currently, is improving economically because of socialism. Look at Uruguay, one of the most democratic countries in the world, incredibly environmental and very free, used to be run by a socialist and former anarchist communist, Jose Mujica, who transformed politics in South America. Ecuador has collectivised many factories and farms in recent years, becoming a very equitable society.

Meanwhile, in Catholic and capitalist Uganda, the gays are oppressed and a dictatorship lives on happily. Or Indonesia, after the fall of communism in 1965, led to the uprising of a dictator who massacred 2 million communists and oppressed the people of Timor, and much of SE Asia, all capitalist, and all backed by the US, and all very Islamic. Or the slaughter of 10% of the Cambodian population... by the US, meanwhile, in communist Vietnam the people are happy, and democratic, and have faith in their SOCIALIST government. Or in Cuba where Fidel Castro is loved for his social reforms that eradicated HIV and Syphilis in childbirth, or the gender equality in Parliament, or the literacy rate, or having to cope with a backlog of Batista's failed capitalism

Socialism has improved the lives of many people across the world and will continue to do so. I am against the State as it is in capitalist society. An oppressive and violent function. Or as it is in Marxist-Leninist societies (USSR, Mao's China, Cambodia etc). a violent functionary of State Capitalism. But I am not against governments if they serve a purpose and function for the people as they do currently in many socialist countries

Have you ever been to any of these places that you use as examples? I ask not to make an argument for or against your response, but only out of curiosity.
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