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TN05
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8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.
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8/21/2016 1:34:34 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.
Well, there is a certain thing called necessity which constrains every national leader under the sky. Fertility rates in America have dropped from 3.7 children per woman in 1960 to 1.87 in 2015. With break-even at 2.1, we are forced to increase immigration levels to avoid a future demographic disaster. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to seek out and deport the 11 million who already contribute to our economy, as either consumers or taxpayers.

That said, I do not propose amnesty but mere non-removal. Because if the 11 million who currently live in the U.S. are granted blanket amnesty, they will seek benefits and the incentive to contribute to the economy will be heavily reduced. Moreover, citizenship is not something to be taken lightly and should be reserved to those who have opted for a legal path.

Nevertheless, it's good to see Trump walking back his outlandish claims. Yet I wonder how many of his fanboys will accept the next surprise, when Trump drops the fantasy of building a "wall" along the Mexican border.
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8/21/2016 1:53:47 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

Can I laugh now? Can I just say Trump's plans have been utter bullsh1t from day one?

What a joke.
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8/21/2016 2:01:01 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 1:53:47 AM, TBR wrote:
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

Can I laugh now? Can I just say Trump's plans have been utter bullsh1t from day one?

What a joke.

What I find funniest is that literally the first thing he does after hiring Steve Bannon is propose amnesty.
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8/21/2016 2:32:50 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

There are a *lot* of false rumours about Trump circulating right now, some of them honest mistakes and others by people will malicious intent. That you didn't use a prestigious, well-known source is a bit suspicious.
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8/21/2016 2:36:41 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 2:32:50 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

There are a *lot* of false rumours about Trump circulating right now, some of them honest mistakes and others by people will malicious intent. That you didn't use a prestigious, well-known source is a bit suspicious.

Univision isn't a valid source, especially with multiple named sources? Not nobodies, but public figures who have no reason to lie about this. Buzfeed (their political journalists are actually pretty solid) said the same thing. (https://www.buzzfeed.com...)
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8/21/2016 3:09:10 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 2:32:50 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

There are a *lot* of false rumours about Trump circulating right now, some of them honest mistakes and others by people will malicious intent. That you didn't use a prestigious, well-known source is a bit suspicious.

OK. We will wait.

When and if this is true, what will you have to say?
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8/21/2016 3:11:08 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
If this is true I'm voting for Clinton
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8/21/2016 3:18:33 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:11:08 AM, thett3 wrote:
If this is true I'm voting for Clinton

Thett. I really am sorry for you guys at this point. Not sorry for all the supporters, but I do feel for you.

I don't know what Trump can do at this point but alienate his supporters. He has burned every everyone along the way, there is no one left to piss-off.
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8/21/2016 3:46:56 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:09:10 AM, TBR wrote:
At 8/21/2016 2:32:50 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

There are a *lot* of false rumours about Trump circulating right now, some of them honest mistakes and others by people will malicious intent. That you didn't use a prestigious, well-known source is a bit suspicious.

OK. We will wait.

When and if this is true, what will you have to say?

Why would I need to say anything? The OP came in here using some "news site" that I've never heard of before (a Spanish-language site, no less) to make the claim that Trump is as a matter of fact "to propose (an) amnesty plan next week". According to the one English source which he did provide, some person who is not affiliated with the Trump campaign but happened to privately meet him made this claim, and the Trump campaign has denied it.
In any case, the burden of proof is not on me, and more likely than not no such plan will be proposed by Trump next week.
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8/21/2016 3:49:07 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Whoops, my bad. The people making the claim are affiliated with his campaign as part of his "Hispanic advisory council".
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8/21/2016 3:55:24 AM
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We also have to make the distinction between a candidate briefly toying with an extreme proposal and him/her actually carrying it out.
Trump's doing pretty bad at this point, so it's possible that he's contemplating the idea of amnesty for illegals, but I highly doubt that he's actually going to follow through with it. To do so would be to become one of the elites who are fleecing America, and that's in fundamental contradiction to Trump's whole platform.
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8/21/2016 12:48:49 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:18:33 AM, TBR wrote:
Thett. I really am sorry for you guys at this point. Not sorry for all the supporters, but I do feel for you.
Bahahaha. I don't feel sorry at all for these rubes, rednecks, retards. Stupid as they are, they deserve everything they get. These reactionaries and fascists thought they had finally found their Fuhrer, but he turned out to be P. T. Barnum rather than George Wallace. In fact, Trump's entire candidacy is a testament to the foolproof Barnum legacy ("There's one born every minute"). Derp!

I don't know what Trump can do at this point but alienate his supporters. He has burned every everyone along the way, there is no one left to piss-off.
Trump supporting amnesty isn't new. Andrew McCarthy at PJ Media informed readers about this in May (!), but the Trump voters don't read (https://pjmedia.com...).

And let's see how many still believe in the fantasy of Trump ordering the construction of a "wall" along the U.S.-Mexican border.

By the way, which other redneck fantasies are there? End NAFTA? (Hahaha...)
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8/21/2016 1:05:31 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

I do not know what is funnier, the fact that Trump has backtracked on pretty much everything he once said, or that every time he does this his supporters do not seem to are.

He flat but built his platform on BS, and his supporters claim that he "tells it like it is"
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8/21/2016 2:43:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
http://thefederalist.com...

Something is brewing up with the above campaign manager hire.. All his white first type supporters who believe Mexicans put them at a disadvantage are going to be sorely disappointed.

I predict he will have enough checks to make sure the "bad" ones get sent back home. It all stems on whether he can convince enough people that trying to fill the low skill labor pool with Americans would be a much greater economic disaster than letting the "good" ones back in to fill that void.

Seeing how his white first type supporters don't really care about the economics or ethics of the situation if he brings amesty I can't see his hard core supporters will be able to justify their support for him.

On a personal note, I would love to see a well designed amnesty proposal, but I still don't trust Trump as far as I could throw him. He continues to look more and more as a manipulator at all costs to achieve what he wants versus a rebel who has quality ideas and ideals.
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8/21/2016 2:57:44 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

I also find it funny that Trump recently said that he was going to be himself, not go moderate, and that his new campaign managers embrace the "let Trump be Trump" idea. However, Trump never tried to go moderate with Manafort. He will now go moderate after saying that he will not. Trump is one of the biggest hypocrites, not just in politics, but in the world in general.
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8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic
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8/21/2016 3:31:18 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:46:56 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/21/2016 3:09:10 AM, TBR wrote:
At 8/21/2016 2:32:50 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/21/2016 12:53:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
Trump is going to propose his amnesty plan next week. (http://www.univision.com......)
According to an atendee:

"Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane... [he] also said he would announce a way to give them [legal] status that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation"

In other words, Gang of 8.

There are a *lot* of false rumours about Trump circulating right now, some of them honest mistakes and others by people will malicious intent. That you didn't use a prestigious, well-known source is a bit suspicious.

OK. We will wait.

When and if this is true, what will you have to say?

Why would I need to say anything? The OP came in here using some "news site" that I've never heard of before (a Spanish-language site, no less) to make the claim that Trump is as a matter of fact "to propose (an) amnesty plan next week". According to the one English source which he did provide, some person who is not affiliated with the Trump campaign but happened to privately meet him made this claim, and the Trump campaign has denied it.

OK. Well, lets help you out. 1) Univision has operated for 54 years, is YUGE and is plenty respectable. 2) I said, when it is shown true, what you will say.

In any case, the burden of proof is not on me, and more likely than not no such plan will be proposed by Trump next week.

Right. When it is clear, what will you say?
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8/21/2016 3:38:40 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:55:24 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
We also have to make the distinction between a candidate briefly toying with an extreme proposal and him/her actually carrying it out.

Question is. Witch proposal was extreme? The first, or the flip-flop?

Trump's doing pretty bad at this point, so it's possible that he's contemplating the idea of amnesty for illegals, but I highly doubt that he's actually going to follow through with it. To do so would be to become one of the elites who are fleecing America, and that's in fundamental contradiction to Trump's whole platform.

So yet again - he is lying to get votes, and the supporters condone it? Hypocrite!
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8/21/2016 3:45:07 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

It's fun using alt-right memes against alt-right.
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8/21/2016 4:50:44 PM
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At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

Do you want me to call the PC police for you?
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8/21/2016 4:52:41 PM
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At 8/21/2016 4:50:44 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

Do you want me to call the PC police for you?

Maybe he needs to go to his safe space.

http://youtu.be...
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8/21/2016 4:53:35 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 4:52:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 4:50:44 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

Do you want me to call the PC police for you?

Maybe he needs to go to his safe space.

http://youtu.be...

Probably. I think you triggered him
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8/21/2016 5:15:22 PM
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At 8/21/2016 4:53:35 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 8/21/2016 4:52:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 4:50:44 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

Do you want me to call the PC police for you?

Maybe he needs to go to his safe space.

http://youtu.be...

Probably. I think you triggered him

Such a shame. People who support cucks like Trump get triggered easily.
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8/21/2016 5:15:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 4:50:44 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

Do you want me to call the PC police for you?

TN05 is mocking my heritage
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
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8/21/2016 5:19:54 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 5:15:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 4:50:44 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 8/21/2016 3:30:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/21/2016 10:50:07 AM, TN05 wrote:
How thett feels right now:

https://twitter.com...

That is very anti semitic

Do you want me to call the PC police for you?

TN05 is mocking my heritage

That's absolutely not what I was doing and that wouldn't make sense. It was inverting the anti-semitic oven meme to, instead of having Trump bake a jew, he's baking Ricky Vaughn (since you have alt-right leanings I know you know who he is). It's mocking the whole "white genocide" thing - because obviously amnesty will lead to white genocide per alt-right.
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8/21/2016 5:34:39 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/21/2016 3:11:08 AM, thett3 wrote:
If this is true I'm voting for Clinton

No thett NO! We have to stay on the trump train! What about nuking Europe?! He still wants to do that!
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