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8/24/2016 11:33:53 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
http://www.dailywire.com...

"Examining research from the biological, psychological, and social sciences, this report shows that some of the most frequently heard claims about sexuality and gender are not supported by scientific evidence," prefaced the report.

"The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex " that a person might be "a man trapped in a woman"s body" or "a woman trapped in a man"s body" " is not supported by scientific evidence," stated the researchers. "
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8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...
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8/24/2016 1:36:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 11:33:53 AM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

"Examining research from the biological, psychological, and social sciences, this report shows that some of the most frequently heard claims about sexuality and gender are not supported by scientific evidence," prefaced the report.

"The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex " that a person might be "a man trapped in a woman"s body" or "a woman trapped in a man"s body" " is not supported by scientific evidence," stated the researchers. "

I expect the right will acurrately convey the findings of this study and will try to use it to rationalize that gender disphoria is not a real thing.

Really it is not a surprising finding as consciousness is not necessarily in the realm of science. Gender identity is a part of consciousness.

The fact that you are compelled to think of yourself as a male is also not founded in science. The argument of how much is nature versus nurture is still very much alive in that regard.

It is important to recognize that the authors are not making a claim that nobody is born without a gender identity or even that gender disphoria doesn't exist. They are simply stating.

In reviewing the scientific literature, we find that almost nothing is well understood when we seek biological explanations for what causes some individuals to state that their gender does not match their biological sex. The findings that do exist often have sample-selection problems, and they lack longitudinal perspective and explanatory power. Better research is needed, both to identify ways by which we can help to lower the rates of poor mental health outcomes and to make possible more informed discussion about some of the nuances present in this field

Also the very importantly state:

Cultural and political trends should not influence the reality of the importance of dealing with these difficult and personal issues. As citizens, scholars, and clinicians concerned with the problems facing LGBT people, we should not be dogmatically committed to any particular views about the nature of sexuality or gender identity; rather, we should be guided first and foremost by the needs of struggling patients, and we should seek with open minds for ways to help them lead meaningful, dignified lives."
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8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery
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8/24/2016 4:58:48 PM
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If you have never had a vagina and have a penis how do you know "you're a female" seeing you've never been one to know what being female feels like
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8/24/2016 5:03:01 PM
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At 8/24/2016 4:58:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
If you have never had a vagina and have a penis how do you know "you're a female" seeing you've never been one to know what being female feels like

Right? Stupid liberals
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8/24/2016 5:05:02 PM
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At 8/24/2016 5:03:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:58:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
If you have never had a vagina and have a penis how do you know "you're a female" seeing you've never been one to know what being female feels like

Right? Stupid liberals

I feel like a squid trapped in a human body. Lol

How about you? What do you feel like?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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8/24/2016 5:29:58 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 11:33:53 AM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

"Examining research from the biological, psychological, and social sciences, this report shows that some of the most frequently heard claims about sexuality and gender are not supported by scientific evidence," prefaced the report.

"The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex " that a person might be "a man trapped in a woman"s body" or "a woman trapped in a man"s body" " is not supported by scientific evidence," stated the researchers. "

You do realize that The New Atlantis is Published by the Ethics and Public Policy Center, which is a right-wing think tank which is dedicated to "applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy." This journal is not peer reviewed or meant for articles with implications for the scientific community.
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8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?
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8/24/2016 5:57:07 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

I'm sure these guys work really hard to keep the 50% quota. Just as god intended.
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8/24/2016 6:43:32 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 11:33:53 AM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

"Examining research from the biological, psychological, and social sciences, this report shows that some of the most frequently heard claims about sexuality and gender are not supported by scientific evidence," prefaced the report.

"The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex " that a person might be "a man trapped in a woman"s body" or "a woman trapped in a man"s body" " is not supported by scientific evidence," stated the researchers. "

In other news, the sky is blue.
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8/24/2016 6:47:39 PM
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"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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8/24/2016 7:20:09 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Let him have his wet dream.
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8/24/2016 8:35:54 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 5:05:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:03:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:58:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
If you have never had a vagina and have a penis how do you know "you're a female" seeing you've never been one to know what being female feels like

Right? Stupid liberals

I feel like a squid trapped in a human body. Lol

How about you? What do you feel like?

I feel spiritually like a wolf
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8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation
Im not a Nazi
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8/24/2016 8:41:26 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 8:35:54 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:05:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:03:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:58:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
If you have never had a vagina and have a penis how do you know "you're a female" seeing you've never been one to know what being female feels like

Right? Stupid liberals

I feel like a squid trapped in a human body. Lol

How about you? What do you feel like?

I feel spiritually like a wolf

A wolf is good. I was hoping you wouldn't say a farm chicken or a little squeeling piglet.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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8/24/2016 8:52:11 PM
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At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

Liberals prefer coddling and excuses rather than truth and remedy.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?
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8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?
404 coherent debate topic not found. Please restart the debate with clear resolution.


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8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong? And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?
404 coherent debate topic not found. Please restart the debate with clear resolution.


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8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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8/25/2016 12:31:03 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.

But the question is, how do you know it's the handling and not the shaming? You're just restating that it's the handling without saying why it is so.
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8/25/2016 12:35:45 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:31:03 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.

But the question is, how do you know it's the handling and not the shaming? You're just restating that it's the handling without saying why it is so.

The handling causes the shaming. If transgenders would just get treatment like all mentally ill people are supposed to, they wouldn't have such high suicide rates. The only good way to handle a mental illness is to fight it, not to accept it and become detrimental to society and themselves.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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8/25/2016 12:49:45 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:35:45 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:31:03 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.

But the question is, how do you know it's the handling and not the shaming? You're just restating that it's the handling without saying why it is so.

The handling causes the shaming. If transgenders would just get treatment like all mentally ill people are supposed to, they wouldn't have such high suicide rates. The only good way to handle a mental illness is to fight it, not to accept it and become detrimental to society and themselves.

Are you saying it's the shaming that is causing suicide rates? Not the actual intrinsic transgender behavior like Capital is saying?
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8/25/2016 12:52:46 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:49:45 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:35:45 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:31:03 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.

But the question is, how do you know it's the handling and not the shaming? You're just restating that it's the handling without saying why it is so.

The handling causes the shaming. If transgenders would just get treatment like all mentally ill people are supposed to, they wouldn't have such high suicide rates. The only good way to handle a mental illness is to fight it, not to accept it and become detrimental to society and themselves.

Are you saying it's the shaming that is causing suicide rates? Not the actual intrinsic transgender behavior like Capital is saying?

I agree with what Capital is saying. If transgenders listened to the shaming instead of committing suicide out of mental incompetence, they would be fine. It's the way they handle their illness that determines what problems they will face in the future.
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8/25/2016 1:11:56 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 12:52:46 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:49:45 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:35:45 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:31:03 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.

But the question is, how do you know it's the handling and not the shaming? You're just restating that it's the handling without saying why it is so.

The handling causes the shaming. If transgenders would just get treatment like all mentally ill people are supposed to, they wouldn't have such high suicide rates. The only good way to handle a mental illness is to fight it, not to accept it and become detrimental to society and themselves.

Are you saying it's the shaming that is causing suicide rates? Not the actual intrinsic transgender behavior like Capital is saying?

I agree with what Capital is saying. If transgenders listened to the shaming instead of committing suicide out of mental incompetence, they would be fine. It's the way they handle their illness that determines what problems they will face in the future.

And if people were to stop shaming instead, would suicide rates go down?
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8/25/2016 1:16:00 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/24/2016 11:33:53 AM, RookieApologist wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com...

"Examining research from the biological, psychological, and social sciences, this report shows that some of the most frequently heard claims about sexuality and gender are not supported by scientific evidence," prefaced the report.

"The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex " that a person might be "a man trapped in a woman"s body" or "a woman trapped in a man"s body" " is not supported by scientific evidence," stated the researchers. "

The journal is published in Washington, D.C. by the social conservative advocacy group the Ethics and Public Policy Center

the group describes itself as "dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy."

Shocking.

https://en.wikipedia.org...(journal)

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8/25/2016 1:29:21 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 1:11:56 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:52:46 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:49:45 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:35:45 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:31:03 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:26:19 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM, n7 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:06:15 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:52:19 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 11:44:47 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 9:29:36 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 8:37:38 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 5:49:24 PM, n7 wrote:
At 8/24/2016 4:57:22 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/24/2016 12:34:57 PM, tejretics wrote:
It's an out-of-date review that misses multiple modern studies. It's also merely a "review" of existing studies, not a study in itself.

http://www.patheos.com...

Transgenders have a mental disorder. Their suicide rate is 50 percent vefore and after surgery

Mhm, and you're sure it's because of transgenderism itself or because people call it a mental disorder making them feel bad about it?

If your population has a 50 percebt suicide rate. You have a mental disorder. These people need help not people like you encouraging mutilation

How do you know the mental disorder isn't depression caused by people like you encouraging trans shaming?

Because if they didn't have a disorder, they wouldn't be shamed. Their disorder can't be caused by a result of the same disorder.

You believe that only people with mental disorders can be shamed? Really?

That's not what I'm saying. The reason transgenders are shamed is because they don't handle their mental disorder correctly.

And how do they handle their transgenderism that's wrong?

They pretend to be the opposite gender instead of seeking treatment.
And how do you know it's the handling of it rather than the shaming that causes suicide?

If they handled it correctly, they wouldn't be shamed.

But the question is, how do you know it's the handling and not the shaming? You're just restating that it's the handling without saying why it is so.

The handling causes the shaming. If transgenders would just get treatment like all mentally ill people are supposed to, they wouldn't have such high suicide rates. The only good way to handle a mental illness is to fight it, not to accept it and become detrimental to society and themselves.

Are you saying it's the shaming that is causing suicide rates? Not the actual intrinsic transgender behavior like Capital is saying?

I agree with what Capital is saying. If transgenders listened to the shaming instead of committing suicide out of mental incompetence, they would be fine. It's the way they handle their illness that determines what problems they will face in the future.

And if people were to stop shaming instead, would suicide rates go down?

Probably not. There would be no one to remind transgenders of their mental illness, which would encourage them to handle it incorrectly while harming society and themselves.
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