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8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM
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"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?
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8/26/2016 10:40:09 PM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

It's those weirdos who use the alt key on the right side of the computer.
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8/26/2016 11:11:28 PM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

Alt/right is dogwhistle for bigot.
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8/27/2016 12:08:52 AM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

I like to think of the alt-right as the conspiracy theories and general idiocy that come out of people like Rush Limbaugh and outlets such as Breitbart and Infowars. In their crusades against mainstream media, who they say is biased/wrong, they've also created a politics in which all facts are subjective, in which nobody is right but them. Conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt has admitted this and lamented it.

I definitely think that the alt-right is more prone to support from white nationalists, anti-Semites, neo-Nazis, etc. because of the extreme positions it takes on many issues.
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8/27/2016 1:10:12 AM
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At 8/27/2016 12:08:52 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

I like to think of the alt-right as the conspiracy theories and general idiocy that come out of people like Rush Limbaugh and outlets such as Breitbart and Infowars. In their crusades against mainstream media, who they say is biased/wrong, they've also created a politics in which all facts are subjective, in which nobody is right but them. Conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt has admitted this and lamented it.

I definitely think that the alt-right is more prone to support from white nationalists, anti-Semites, neo-Nazis, etc. because of the extreme positions it takes on many issues.

What's wrong with Breitbart?
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8/27/2016 2:17:17 AM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

It's an extremely weak attempt to demonize a larger group of people than are actually representative of the small faction within the group. It's yet another attempt to call people racist if they don't vote for a certain person's candidate or share the same ideals. Trying so desperately to tie Trump and Conservatism to something that they don't represent. In the context of the media "alt-right" is a red herring.
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8/27/2016 6:02:12 AM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.
The paleoconservatives, paleolibertarians and right-wing populists are the forebears of this movement. The alt-right is just the paranoid fantasy applied to the "paleo": to criminalize miscegenation, "race-mixing."

I should add that, as a movement, the alt-right is not properly organized. Think of it more as a zeitgeist with varying degrees of connectivity.

And they are very few in number. Perhaps 0.1% of the U.S. population. But on internet forums the number explodes to perhaps 10%. On DDO, for instance, brontoraptor, Capital, greyparrot, bballcrook21, and many more, belong to this zeitgeist.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?
They're racists. Behind the mask there is nothing but the hollow, impotent, high-pitch scream "white power."

Yes, The Alt-Right Are Just a Bunch of Racists
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The Racist Moral Rot at the Heart of the Alt-Right
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8/27/2016 7:20:26 AM
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At 8/27/2016 6:02:12 AM, NHN wrote:

They're racists. Behind the mask there is nothing but the hollow, impotent, high-pitch scream "white power."

You can safely ignore extreme opinions that include the words all, every, none, and nothing.
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8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

According to Wikipedia, "The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States."

There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.

I wouldn't call them a unified movement at all because they include any right-wing ideology that isn't establishment conservatism, but according to other definitions, the alt-right is united by support for Trump.
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8/27/2016 3:25:55 PM
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At 8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM, Bob13 wrote:
There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.
Don't be fooled by generalizations on Wikipedia. Instead, check the articles I posted above to see what kind of people who constitute the alt-right. Spoiler: they're the opposite of libertarians -- authoritarians, racist authoritarians.
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8/27/2016 3:35:20 PM
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At 8/27/2016 3:25:55 PM, NHN wrote:
At 8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM, Bob13 wrote:
There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.
Don't be fooled by generalizations on Wikipedia. Instead, check the articles I posted above to see what kind of people who constitute the alt-right. Spoiler: they're the opposite of libertarians -- authoritarians, racist authoritarians.

Alt-right is actually an abbreviation for "alternative right". Alt-right ideologies such as nationalism and libertarianism are alternatives to mainstream conservatism.
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8/27/2016 3:43:31 PM
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At 8/27/2016 3:35:20 PM, Bob13 wrote:
Alt-right is actually an abbreviation for "alternative right". Alt-right ideologies such as nationalism and libertarianism are alternatives to mainstream conservatism.
*facepalm*
Try reading it this time (http://thefederalist.com...). At least skim through the text. The Federalist is no left-wing rag.

Alternative Right was coined by neo-reactionary Paul Gottfried (https://www.lewrockwell.com...). It entails a rejection of free market economics, free trade, etc. as well as a rejection of equal rights and miscegenation (race-mixing).

It is the web brigade supporting David Duke, the former Klansman.
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8/27/2016 3:50:48 PM
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At 8/27/2016 3:43:31 PM, NHN wrote:
At 8/27/2016 3:35:20 PM, Bob13 wrote:
Alt-right is actually an abbreviation for "alternative right". Alt-right ideologies such as nationalism and libertarianism are alternatives to mainstream conservatism.
*facepalm*
Try reading it this time (http://thefederalist.com...). At least skim through the text. The Federalist is no left-wing rag.
I can't, the site's blocked.
Alternative Right was coined by neo-reactionary Paul Gottfried (https://www.lewrockwell.com...). It entails a rejection of free market economics, free trade, etc. as well as a rejection of equal rights and miscegenation (race-mixing).

It is the web brigade supporting David Duke, the former Klansman.

So I guess it's inaccurately described as the "alternative right" if it is only a single ideology.
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8/27/2016 3:55:21 PM
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At 8/27/2016 3:50:48 PM, Bob13 wrote:
So I guess it's inaccurately described as the "alternative right" if it is only a single ideology.
It's a zeitgeist rather than a political movement. And it involves the biggest enemies of liberty that one could possibly imagine.

But there is one qualifying feature to all factions: white supremacy, or as the alt-right calls it, "race realism."
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8/27/2016 9:58:17 PM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

The alt right is a pretty broad lot; broad enough to welcome white nationalists along with quasi-libertarians. They're not a monolithic group, but there are some bad things associates with them. The critical point, though, is that the alt right is everything other than mainstream establishment conservatism and the tea party.
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8/27/2016 11:24:20 PM
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At 8/27/2016 9:58:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

The alt right is a pretty broad lot; broad enough to welcome white nationalists along with quasi-libertarians. They're not a monolithic group, but there are some bad things associates with them. The critical point, though, is that the alt right is everything other than mainstream establishment conservatism and the tea party.

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8/27/2016 11:36:21 PM
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It's a loose coalition of rightists who feel alienated from mainstream conservatism, encompassing everything from paleoconservatives and radical Catholics to neoreactionaries, pick up artists (yes seriously) and white nationalists. The fringe parts of the already fringe movement also incorporate large doses of racism and anti semitism
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8/27/2016 11:52:18 PM
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At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

Well from my perspective, the Alt-Right is a part of the greater right-wing populist movement. I don't include libertarians in this, as they tend to favour open borders.
The Alt-Right includes Paleoconservatives, Neoreactionaries, Nativists, and some white nationalists.
The issues they care the most about are "political correctness" and the perceived threat of mass immigration. I have often heard them described as "Fascists with a human face" (a reference to Socialism with a Human Face of Alexander Dubcek). Another good description is that it bridges the gap between the Extreme right (Neo-Nazis, the KKK, etc.) with the more establishment oriented right wing populists like the Tea Party.
Organizations that are associated with the Alt-Right include Breitbart, the Council of Conservative Citizens, the David Horowitz Freedom Center, the American Freedom Defense Initiative, The Occidental Quarterly, the New Century Foundation, National Policy Institute, VDARE and the Pioneer Fund.
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8/27/2016 11:54:29 PM
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At 8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

According to Wikipedia, "The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States."

There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.

I wouldn't call them a unified movement at all because they include any right-wing ideology that isn't establishment conservatism, but according to other definitions, the alt-right is united by support for Drumpf.

Libertarians really aren't part of the Alt-right movement. They tend to favour open borders.
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8/28/2016 12:06:13 AM
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At 8/27/2016 11:54:29 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

According to Wikipedia, "The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States."

There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.

I wouldn't call them a unified movement at all because they include any right-wing ideology that isn't establishment conservatism, but according to other definitions, the alt-right is united by support for Drumpf.

Libertarians really aren't part of the Alt-right movement. They tend to favour open borders.

You're right: They shouldn't be part of the alt-right (https://www.google.com...).

But they are (https://www.lewrockwell.com...).
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8/28/2016 12:08:16 AM
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At 8/27/2016 11:54:29 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

According to Wikipedia, "The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States."

There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.

I wouldn't call them a unified movement at all because they include any right-wing ideology that isn't establishment conservatism, but according to other definitions, the alt-right is united by support for Drumpf.

Libertarians really aren't part of the Alt-right movement. They tend to favour open borders.
Really? Drumpf?

Libertarians are more diverse on immigration than you think. As a Libertarian, I don't support open borders and would prefer to be more careful on which Mexicans we let in and which ones we don't.
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8/28/2016 12:17:46 AM
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At 8/27/2016 11:54:29 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 8/27/2016 3:09:44 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 8/26/2016 10:00:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
"Alt right" is a term used quite a bit of times in recent political discussions and the media.

Opponents accuse the alt right of being a movement of "fascists, racists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc."

Though more broad definitions paint it out as just right wingers that aren't establishment conservatives, which could include ideologies such as Libertarianism, Right-wing populism, Nationalism, Paleoconservatives, etc.

So what exactly is the alt right? What ideologies/people would you put in the alt right?

According to Wikipedia, "The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States."

There isn't an official definition of the alt-right, but this one seems to fit the way it is used in political discussion. There are certainly fascists and racists in the alt-right, but the majority of them are populists, paleoconservatives, or libertarians such as myself.

I wouldn't call them a unified movement at all because they include any right-wing ideology that isn't establishment conservatism, but according to other definitions, the alt-right is united by support for Drumpf.

Libertarians really aren't part of the Alt-right movement. They tend to favour open borders.

Most of them don't.
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8/28/2016 7:23:53 AM
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At 8/27/2016 11:54:29 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Libertarians really aren't part of the Alt-right movement. They tend to favour open borders.
Anti-authoritarianism is the key here. Libertarianism and authoritarianism are opposites on the political spectrum (https://www.politicalcompass.org...).

Many mistakenly use "libertarian" to equate with "neo-liberal" or "anarcho-capitalist," which entertain economically far-right positions on the outmoded, traditional left-right scale.

Lastly, the ones who have joined the alt-right (which is still a fraction of a fraction in real numbers, although a strong force online) are the disillusioned far-right ideologues who were never at home in an increasingly "permissive," anti-authoritarian environment.
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8/29/2016 3:00:51 AM
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The "alt-" right is just a hodge-podge of different right wing groups not in tow with the mainstream conservatism that has existed since Reagan's coalition. That's pretty much it.

They are mostly characterized by:
1. Being anti-PC, i.e. they want true freedom of speech that is not shackled by current societal norms.
2. Being anti-globalist, i.e. they favor limited to no immigration and certain levels of protectionism. They are (usually) not interested in interventionism.
3. On other topics, it's a little more iffy. You may have pro-abortion or anti-abortion people. However, overall they favor most of the conventional economic right wing policies similar to libertarians as some have mentioned.
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8/29/2016 3:06:07 AM
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At 8/28/2016 7:23:53 AM, NHN wrote:
At 8/27/2016 11:54:29 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Libertarians really aren't part of the Alt-right movement. They tend to favour open borders.
Anti-authoritarianism is the key here. Libertarianism and authoritarianism are opposites on the political spectrum (https://www.politicalcompass.org...).

Many mistakenly use "libertarian" to equate with "neo-liberal" or "anarcho-capitalist," which entertain economically far-right positions on the outmoded, traditional left-right scale.

Lastly, the ones who have joined the alt-right (which is still a fraction of a fraction in real numbers, although a strong force online) are the disillusioned far-right ideologues who were never at home in an increasingly "permissive," anti-authoritarian environment.

It's incorrect to call them authoritarian. This is simply because there are a bunch of different people that constitute the "alt-right". Many of them would fit in with those who voted for Barry Goldwater, and that guy was the opposite of an authoritarian.
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8/29/2016 3:10:48 AM
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At 8/29/2016 3:06:07 AM, Upiter wrote:
It's incorrect to call them authoritarian. This is simply because there are a bunch of different people that constitute the "alt-right". Many of them would fit in with those who voted for Barry Goldwater, and that guy was the opposite of an authoritarian.
Goldwater and the Buckley generation of conservatives were the New Right of their day, precursors to the Reagan conservatives. The alt-right is an amalgamation of movements tied to the Old Right (David Duke, KKK, Rothbard, Hoppe, etc.). Just see how the late Buckley's National Review considers the movement (http://www.nationalreview.com...).
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8/29/2016 3:19:24 AM
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At 8/29/2016 3:10:48 AM, NHN wrote:
At 8/29/2016 3:06:07 AM, Upiter wrote:
It's incorrect to call them authoritarian. This is simply because there are a bunch of different people that constitute the "alt-right". Many of them would fit in with those who voted for Barry Goldwater, and that guy was the opposite of an authoritarian.
Goldwater and the Buckley generation of conservatives were the New Right of their day, precursors to the Reagan conservatives. The alt-right is an amalgamation of movements tied to the Old Right (David Duke, KKK, Rothbard, Hoppe, etc.). Just see how the late Buckley's National Review considers the movement (http://www.nationalreview.com...).

Goldwater believed in true freedom of association and didn't now follow the PC dogma nascent at the time; this fits with many of the alt-right members. Most of the alt-right does not associate with Duke, the KKK, Rothbard, or that other guy I have never heard of. Although some elements of the alt-right definitely may. You are simply off the mark in your general assumption. These people constitute the hard right.

Some organizations or people associated with the alt-right include roughly: Milo Yiannopolous and others from Breitbart or Jared Taylor who has been in the news lately or even someone like Ann Coulter.