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tejretics
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9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.
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9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...
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9/4/2016 9:52:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

That is a PAC site lol.
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9/4/2016 10:48:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 8:35:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
lol

This was my reaction when I read "obamacare had a positive effect".
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9/5/2016 3:33:51 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 9:52:50 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

That is a PAC site lol.

A PAC founded in 1852 - They've been around for a while so perhaps they have some credible information. Do you have any thing to counter my claim?
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9/5/2016 3:55:23 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 3:33:51 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:52:50 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

That is a PAC site lol.

A PAC founded in 1852 - They've been around for a while so perhaps they have some credible information. Do you have any thing to counter my claim?

What are you saying? That a bunch of people drumming up business for themselves is an organization whose claims should be taken seriously?
Bennett91
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9/5/2016 4:09:47 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 3:55:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/5/2016 3:33:51 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:52:50 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

That is a PAC site lol.

A PAC founded in 1852 - They've been around for a while so perhaps they have some credible information. Do you have any thing to counter my claim?

What are you saying? That a bunch of people drumming up business for themselves is an organization whose claims should be taken seriously?

Your cynicism doesn't hide you lack of argument. They are a Professional association of Civil Engineers that has existed for over 100 years - I think they would have some insight on the inner workings of US infrastructure across the country. You know, being engineers and all.
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9/5/2016 4:11:43 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

I thought America was already great. Michelle Obama must have lied. Trump was right...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 4:13:49 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:09:47 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/5/2016 3:55:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/5/2016 3:33:51 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:52:50 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

That is a PAC site lol.

A PAC founded in 1852 - They've been around for a while so perhaps they have some credible information. Do you have any thing to counter my claim?

What are you saying? That a bunch of people drumming up business for themselves is an organization whose claims should be taken seriously?

Your cynicism doesn't hide you lack of argument. They are a Professional association of Civil Engineers that has existed for over 100 years - I think they would have some insight on the inner workings of US infrastructure across the country. You know, being engineers and all.

So during Obama and Hillary's administration liberals admit America was crap and that the Conservatives were right in the use of "make America great again".
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
Bennett91
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9/5/2016 4:18:52 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:11:43 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

I thought America was already great. Michelle Obama must have lied. Trump was right...

And you thunk Trump is going to make America great while ignoring infrastructure? http://www.citylab.com...
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9/5/2016 4:38:05 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:09:47 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/5/2016 3:55:23 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/5/2016 3:33:51 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:52:50 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/4/2016 9:39:11 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

It's pretty bad in the US.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org...

That is a PAC site lol.

A PAC founded in 1852 - They've been around for a while so perhaps they have some credible information. Do you have any thing to counter my claim?

What are you saying? That a bunch of people drumming up business for themselves is an organization whose claims should be taken seriously?

Your cynicism doesn't hide you lack of argument. They are a Professional association of Civil Engineers that has existed for over 100 years - I think they would have some insight on the inner workings of US infrastructure across the country. You know, being engineers and all.

I'll take that as a yes then in the absence of an answer.
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9/5/2016 4:40:50 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:38:05 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:09:47 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

Your cynicism doesn't hide you lack of argument. They are a Professional association of Civil Engineers that has existed for over 100 years - I think they would have some insight on the inner workings of US infrastructure across the country. You know, being engineers and all.

I'll take that as a yes then in the absence of an answer.

Indeed.
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9/5/2016 5:00:28 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 8:35:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
lol

You probably agree with like 50% of it at least.
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9/5/2016 5:24:35 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

+1

Apparently we suck at something if it isn't the top in the world... Nobody complains about Sweden's education system, but they complain about ours when we have higher scores.
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9/5/2016 5:38:08 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 5:00:28 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/4/2016 8:35:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
lol

You probably agree with like 50% of it at least.

I support the infrastructure diagnosis, not the treatment, and support the UBI. Not the rest. XD
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9/5/2016 5:39:04 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 5:24:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

+1

Apparently we suck at something if it isn't the top in the world... Nobody complains about Sweden's education system, but they complain about ours when we have higher scores.

USA should be #1. AMERICA FIRST

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

But actually though, we are--and should always be--#1. :D
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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9/5/2016 5:59:52 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 5:39:04 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 9/5/2016 5:24:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

+1

Apparently we suck at something if it isn't the top in the world... Nobody complains about Sweden's education system, but they complain about ours when we have higher scores.

USA should be #1. AMERICA FIRST

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

But actually though, we are--and should always be--#1. :D

For a country as big as the US, the infrastructure generally isn't that bad. It is actually quite good in certain areas.
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9/5/2016 8:12:02 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP. : :

Your perspective on poverty is interesting to not only you but millions of other people, especially those who are in poverty or have grown up around poverty. I think most people who were born in poverty and succeeded to become financially secure have a tendency to be sensitive towards poverty and a few of them get thoughts to help bring other people out of poverty.

How would you solve the problem of poverty?
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9/5/2016 8:13:44 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 8:12:02 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
How would you solve the problem of poverty?

I don't view it as realistic to "solve" poverty entirely in the short-term at all. It's very difficult to even reduce poverty. But I would say maximizing benefit involves a market economy, but supplemented with a comprehensive welfare state.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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9/5/2016 8:14:39 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible. : :

Infrastructure is good in some states of America because they have the tax money to build and repair roads, bridges, government lands such as parks, etc. Most states aren't in good financial shape to keep up with expenditures on infrastructure.
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9/5/2016 8:16:00 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 8:13:44 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:12:02 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
How would you solve the problem of poverty?

I don't view it as realistic to "solve" poverty entirely in the short-term at all. It's very difficult to even reduce poverty. But I would say maximizing benefit involves a market economy, but supplemented with a comprehensive welfare state. : :

So you believe taking from the producers and give to the users is okay?
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9/5/2016 8:18:06 AM
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At 9/5/2016 8:16:00 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
So you believe taking from the producers and give to the users is okay?

I believe that redistribution of resources is "okay," yes.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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9/5/2016 8:55:14 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 8:18:06 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:16:00 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
So you believe taking from the producers and give to the users is okay?

I believe that redistribution of resources is "okay," yes.: :

I don't have any opposition to that belief either but many producers do not like it at all. I have been a producer most of my life but the last years of my life I've been more of a user of government benefits like the EBT card for food and now Social Security retirement benefits. Without these benefits, I would be forced to work and with my bad back, it would be more difficult to be a producer, although, I would do it if forced to do it.
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9/5/2016 8:40:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 5:59:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 5:39:04 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 9/5/2016 5:24:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/4/2016 7:55:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/4/2016 3:48:12 PM, tejretics wrote:
I wrote a post about economic policy recently, here: http://gotejas.com...

I'd appreciate some responses here. It essentially serves as an OP.

Infrastructure in the US isn't all that terrible.

+1

Apparently we suck at something if it isn't the top in the world... Nobody complains about Sweden's education system, but they complain about ours when we have higher scores.

USA should be #1. AMERICA FIRST

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

But actually though, we are--and should always be--#1. :D

For a country as big as the US, the infrastructure generally isn't that bad. It is actually quite good in certain areas.

Privatize ittttttttttt
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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9/5/2016 8:41:01 PM
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At 9/4/2016 10:48:36 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/4/2016 8:35:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
lol

This was my reaction when I read "obamacare had a positive effect".

Same XD
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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9/5/2016 9:10:21 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 8:13:44 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:12:02 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
How would you solve the problem of poverty?

I don't view it as realistic to "solve" poverty entirely in the short-term at all. It's very difficult to even reduce poverty. But I would say maximizing benefit involves a market economy, but supplemented with a comprehensive welfare state.

We call those "Banana republics" and they fail in about 40 years.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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9/6/2016 3:14:49 PM
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At 9/5/2016 9:10:21 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:13:44 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:12:02 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
How would you solve the problem of poverty?

I don't view it as realistic to "solve" poverty entirely in the short-term at all. It's very difficult to even reduce poverty. But I would say maximizing benefit involves a market economy, but supplemented with a comprehensive welfare state.

We call those "Banana republics" and they fail in about 40 years.

I dunno, the free market has easily reduced poverty in India itself
http://www.economist.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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9/6/2016 8:03:49 PM
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At 9/6/2016 3:14:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 9/5/2016 9:10:21 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:13:44 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 8:12:02 AM, Z_ONE wrote:
How would you solve the problem of poverty?

I don't view it as realistic to "solve" poverty entirely in the short-term at all. It's very difficult to even reduce poverty. But I would say maximizing benefit involves a market economy, but supplemented with a comprehensive welfare state.

We call those "Banana republics" and they fail in about 40 years.

I dunno, the free market has easily reduced poverty in India itself
http://www.economist.com...

India is a comprehensive welfare state?