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Liberals, do you hate your country?

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9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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9/5/2016 12:34:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Aaaaah...the sound of liberal crickets.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally
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9/5/2016 1:03:49 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally

If they find no favor in it, perhaps they'd like to join another country and try it out awhile. Perhaps Saudi Arabia?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 1:28:05 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 1:03:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally

If they find no favor in it, perhaps they'd like to join another country and try it out awhile. Perhaps Saudi Arabia?

No we need some limited liberal presence here for balance. Granted some of the liberal creep into government has been insidious... The federal reserve and progressive tax income, as well as the continued erosion of higher education, but it also helps keep debate in the country rigorous which is a positive.

I'm very 'conservative' in the poli-sci sense: government being restricted from infringement. A lot of the current 'conservatism' is actually increasing in government presence and I reject that just as much as current liberal government increase.

Your point is not lost however. They always talk about Europe as if it's a utopia, specifically women's rights. But there is a reason so many European women like to marry American men.
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9/5/2016 1:31:58 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 1:03:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally

If they find no favor in it, perhaps they'd like to join another country and try it out awhile. Perhaps Saudi Arabia?

Sort of baby out with the bath water kinda mentality. The boogeyman you paint very well might have its own ways to "make American great.... Again", those ideals just run contrary to yours. Secondly, why move? This infers that some other place is held in higher regard. Obviously, that might not be the case.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government
Im not a Nazi
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9/5/2016 2:03:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 1:28:05 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/5/2016 1:03:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally

If they find no favor in it, perhaps they'd like to join another country and try it out awhile. Perhaps Saudi Arabia?

No we need some limited liberal presence here for balance. Granted some of the liberal creep into government has been insidious... The federal reserve and progressive tax income, as well as the continued erosion of higher education, but it also helps keep debate in the country rigorous which is a positive.

I'm very 'conservative' in the poli-sci sense: government being restricted from infringement. A lot of the current 'conservatism' is actually increasing in government presence and I reject that just as much as current liberal government increase.

Your point is not lost however. They always talk about Europe as if it's a utopia, specifically women's rights. But there is a reason so many European women like to marry American men.

That utopia created a migrant crisis that has made ISIS nearly impossible to stop in their countries.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 2:04:39 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 1:31:58 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/5/2016 1:03:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally

If they find no favor in it, perhaps they'd like to join another country and try it out awhile. Perhaps Saudi Arabia?

Sort of baby out with the bath water kinda mentality. The boogeyman you paint very well might have its own ways to "make American great.... Again", those ideals just run contrary to yours. Secondly, why move? This infers that some other place is held in higher regard. Obviously, that might not be the case.

So this might be the best there is or ever was so let's change it into a hellhole.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 2:05:25 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

+1
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 2:05:31 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

You are wrong.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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9/5/2016 2:09:17 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 2:04:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 1:31:58 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/5/2016 1:03:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 12:56:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
From my point of view:

Many liberals can find no favor in the USA
Many conservatives can find no flaw in the USA

The reality is in the middle although on balance we have had a more positive than negative both internally and externally

If they find no favor in it, perhaps they'd like to join another country and try it out awhile. Perhaps Saudi Arabia?

Sort of baby out with the bath water kinda mentality. The boogeyman you paint very well might have its own ways to "make American great.... Again", those ideals just run contrary to yours. Secondly, why move? This infers that some other place is held in higher regard. Obviously, that might not be the case.

So this might be the best there is or ever was so let's change it into a hellhole.

Which is of course you opinion, in case you didn't realize. Conservative mentality is to uphold the status quo. That may or may not contradict the principles the country was founded on.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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9/5/2016 2:15:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

You are always wrong squidward.
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9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...
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9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government
Im not a Nazi
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9/5/2016 4:22:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government

why do you need my help to prove you aren't a fascist?
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9/5/2016 4:23:01 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:22:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government

why do you need my help to prove you aren't a fascist?

This is the best picture I could find. I cant find a nationalist party picture that actually looks good :*( senapi help
Im not a Nazi
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9/5/2016 4:24:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:23:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:22:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government

why do you need my help to prove you aren't a fascist?

This is the best picture I could find. I cant find a nationalist party picture that actually looks good :*( senapi help

well that's like someone putting a stalin profile picture if they can't find any good socialist pictures.
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9/5/2016 4:24:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:24:20 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:23:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:22:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government

why do you need my help to prove you aren't a fascist?

This is the best picture I could find. I cant find a nationalist party picture that actually looks good :*( senapi help

well that's like someone putting a stalin profile picture if they can't find any good socialist pictures.

Golden Dawn is a white nationalist party in Greece. Not fascist
Im not a Nazi
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9/5/2016 4:25:52 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:24:50 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:24:20 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:23:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:22:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government

why do you need my help to prove you aren't a fascist?

This is the best picture I could find. I cant find a nationalist party picture that actually looks good :*( senapi help

well that's like someone putting a stalin profile picture if they can't find any good socialist pictures.

Golden Dawn is a white nationalist party in Greece. Not fascist

So you support white nationalism?
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9/5/2016 4:26:52 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 4:25:52 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:24:50 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:24:20 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:23:01 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:22:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:20:44 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 4:19:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:02:04 PM, Capital wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

No they are just really dumb. They want to shape the country into some twisted fascist place where everyone is dependent on the government

So apparently the one with a fascist party as their profile picture is accusing Democrats of being fascist...

Woah

Find me a better picture and I post it

I cant though :*(

Also If you look at my statements I'm not fascist. I support cutting welfare, dependency on government

why do you need my help to prove you aren't a fascist?

This is the best picture I could find. I cant find a nationalist party picture that actually looks good :*( senapi help

well that's like someone putting a stalin profile picture if they can't find any good socialist pictures.

Golden Dawn is a white nationalist party in Greece. Not fascist

So you support white nationalism?

I don't support the country becoming a muslim nation so I think we need to keep the ratios the same like trump wants
Im not a Nazi
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9/5/2016 5:05:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 5:01:18 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
So now people are fascist? Geesh

I know right. These ad hominin attacks are ruining DDO

Why triangle WHY
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9/5/2016 5:21:02 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
For those letting their fascist flag fly, do you even know what it is outside the vernacular?A significant number of scholars agree that a "fascist regime" is foremost an authoritarian form of government, although not all authoritarian regimes are fascist. Authoritarianism is thus a defining characteristic, but most scholars will say that more distinguishing traits are needed to make an authoritarian regime fascist.[1]

Now, disagree with any candidate you want, but wtf is advocating anything like that anymore than the other side advocating communism? Sure, Bernie is an avowed socialist in the American landscape but even his version is far different than socialism as practiced in other areas of the world.

I can tell people pay more attention to the media contrived drivel than political science.
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9/5/2016 8:13:13 PM
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Our country needs criticism in order to remain strong and competitive. No critical thinking would result in stagnation (not necessarily economic). Programs that go entirely unquestioned may be filled with fatal flaws that aren't noticed until it's too late. The F-35 program might've lagged even further if it wasn't for the heavy criticism of its cost overruns and delays.
That being said, there is such thing as too much criticism. Americans do need to have pride in their country, for that's something which holds our country together. Disillusionment in our country may allow ethnic, religious, and state loyalties to fill in the gap, and that would destroy us all. Furthermore, going back to the F-35 example, if excessive criticism of the F-35 caused the program to be scrapped, our military would be much weaker 10 years from now. And sometimes this criticism is directed towards institutions which are vital to society and not half as bad as their critics make them out to be.
Criticism is good as long as it's unbiased and as long as it isn't excessive.
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9/5/2016 8:25:05 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 8:13:13 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Our country needs criticism in order to remain strong and competitive. No critical thinking would result in stagnation (not necessarily economic). Programs that go entirely unquestioned may be filled with fatal flaws that aren't noticed until it's too late. The F-35 program might've lagged even further if it wasn't for the heavy criticism of its cost overruns and delays.
That being said, there is such thing as too much criticism. Americans do need to have pride in their country, for that's something which holds our country together. Disillusionment in our country may allow ethnic, religious, and state loyalties to fill in the gap, and that would destroy us all. Furthermore, going back to the F-35 example, if excessive criticism of the F-35 caused the program to be scrapped, our military would be much weaker 10 years from now. And sometimes this criticism is directed towards institutions which are vital to society and not half as bad as their critics make them out to be.
Criticism is good as long as it's unbiased and as long as it isn't excessive.

And as long as it's valid.
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9/5/2016 9:19:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 2:05:31 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

You are wrong.

So you love America?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/5/2016 9:34:40 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/5/2016 9:19:56 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/5/2016 2:05:31 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/5/2016 11:45:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Everything I see says yes. Am I wrong or do you hate your country?

You are wrong.

So you love America?

I'll answer that, as not a liberal. I love the idea of America but I can't say I'm too fond of the current incarnation as we have moved far from its ideal. For every step forward such as equality and the like we move further away from what made it great: rugged individualism and questioning of authority