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Semiya
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9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?
Greyparrot
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9/7/2016 8:29:21 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

They do.
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9/7/2016 8:31:38 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:29:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

They do.

And when the latter do, people like you rise up and cry and wail and b!tch about censorship and DEM EVIL LIBURULS HURDUR, but when the former do, people like you cheer and holler and scream PATRIOTISM I LURV MURICA LOLOLOLOL
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9/7/2016 8:32:48 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:31:38 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:29:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

They do.

And when the latter do, people like you rise up and cry and wail and b!tch about censorship and DEM EVIL LIBURULS HURDUR, but when the former do, people like you cheer and holler and scream PATRIOTISM I LURV MURICA LOLOLOLOL

Universities can do whatever they want. They own it. The students are just guests and clients.
Semiya
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9/7/2016 8:33:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:32:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:31:38 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:29:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

They do.

And when the latter do, people like you rise up and cry and wail and b!tch about censorship and DEM EVIL LIBURULS HURDUR, but when the former do, people like you cheer and holler and scream PATRIOTISM I LURV MURICA LOLOLOLOL

Universities can do whatever they want. They own it. The students are just guests and clients.

Who have every right to lobby the university.
MattTheDreamer
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9/7/2016 8:39:23 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Really there's no difference. Although I'd say as an institution designed to educate and challenge young people, ideas from all over the political spectrum should be embraced. In reality, Unviersities can do what they like, although banning speakers because they don't agree with their ideas doesn't really reflect well on the University, does it?
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9/7/2016 8:40:15 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:39:23 PM, MattTheDreamer wrote:
Really there's no difference. Although I'd say as an institution designed to educate and challenge young people, ideas from all over the political spectrum should be embraced. In reality, Unviersities can do what they like, although banning speakers because they don't agree with their ideas doesn't really reflect well on the University, does it?

Nor does discriminating in hiring practices based on gender or sexual orientation, etc. And yet our resident right-wingers only flip out about one of these two situations.
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9/7/2016 8:42:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:40:15 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:39:23 PM, MattTheDreamer wrote:
Really there's no difference. Although I'd say as an institution designed to educate and challenge young people, ideas from all over the political spectrum should be embraced. In reality, Unviersities can do what they like, although banning speakers because they don't agree with their ideas doesn't really reflect well on the University, does it?

Nor does discriminating in hiring practices based on gender or sexual orientation, etc. And yet our resident right-wingers only flip out about one of these two situations.

Can you cite any specific posts? I don't remember them being that hypocritical.

Anyway, I don't see why either should be banned. I've always been a big fan of vote with your wallets for these situations.
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9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:42:56 PM, MattTheDreamer wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:40:15 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:39:23 PM, MattTheDreamer wrote:
Really there's no difference. Although I'd say as an institution designed to educate and challenge young people, ideas from all over the political spectrum should be embraced. In reality, Unviersities can do what they like, although banning speakers because they don't agree with their ideas doesn't really reflect well on the University, does it?

Nor does discriminating in hiring practices based on gender or sexual orientation, etc. And yet our resident right-wingers only flip out about one of these two situations.

Can you cite any specific posts? I don't remember them being that hypocritical.

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Anyway, I don't see why either should be banned. I've always been a big fan of vote with your wallets for these situations.
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9/7/2016 8:46:07 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM, Semiya wrote:

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Thats the students, not the universities.
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9/7/2016 8:50:34 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:46:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM, Semiya wrote:

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Thats the students, not the universities.

And the students have to lobby the Univeristy and get in into Univeristy policy. Which is where it is in most cases. Students are not "imposing" these controls on anyone.
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9/7/2016 8:51:28 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Nobody says that they can't. Unis get chided for the reasons they provide for excluding speakers or whomever.

Should be legally allowed to do != should be doing.
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9/7/2016 8:52:53 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:46:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM, Semiya wrote:

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Thats the students, not the universities.

well to clarify not Art students because Greyparrot said in another post "Fine...an art degree should be a right." lol
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9/7/2016 8:54:00 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:52:53 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:46:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM, Semiya wrote:

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Thats the students, not the universities.

well to clarify not Art students because Greyparrot said in another post "Fine...an art degree should be a right." lol

Well that was under the assumption that everyone has the ability to get an Art degree...I could be mistaken.
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9/7/2016 8:55:29 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:51:28 PM, someloser wrote:
Nobody says that they can't. Unis get chided for the reasons they provide for excluding speakers or whomever.

You may not, but plenty of people here are screaming about how universities are violating free speech (lol) and how they shouldn't be able to do any of this.

Should be legally allowed to do != should be doing.

True, businesses should not be allowed to discriminate in hiring or offering services, and yes, they're allowed to. (Nor should universities be allowed to use such censorship).
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9/7/2016 8:56:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:54:00 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:52:53 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:46:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM, Semiya wrote:

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Thats the students, not the universities.

well to clarify not Art students because Greyparrot said in another post "Fine...an art degree should be a right." lol

Well that was under the assumption that everyone has the ability to get an Art degree...I could be mistaken.

that's true because what is Art after all......much like hate speech, trigger warnings, safe spaces it's all open to interpenetration.
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9/7/2016 9:01:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:55:29 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:51:28 PM, someloser wrote:
Nobody says that they can't. Unis get chided for the reasons they provide for excluding speakers or whomever.

You may not, but plenty of people here are screaming about how universities are violating free speech (lol) and how they shouldn't be able to do any of this.

Where? lol

Almost everything I have read was an offshoot of outrage over the inmates running the asylum.
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9/7/2016 9:27:48 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

Private can... And do. However, keep this in mind: limiting viewpoints on campus only produces more insular adults. Businesses shoot themselves in the foot by limiting their product
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9/7/2016 9:31:08 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:29:21 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

They do.

No only at public universities, state schools.
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9/7/2016 9:33:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:50:34 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:46:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:44:47 PM, Semiya wrote:

Every single post where they scream Censorship at trigger warnings, safe spaces, universities not taking on certain speakers, protests against Trump, etc. It's pretty much all over this site.

Thats the students, not the universities.

And the students have to lobby the Univeristy and get in into Univeristy policy. Which is where it is in most cases. Students are not "imposing" these controls on anyone.

No they just silence by heckle and protest and universities allow it.
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9/7/2016 10:30:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

I have rarely seen anyone say that private universities shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. Most of those problems occur primarily in public universities, which have no right to discriminate because they receive public funding.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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9/7/2016 11:40:05 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 10:30:14 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

I have rarely seen anyone say that private universities shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. Most of those problems occur primarily in public universities, which have no right to discriminate because they receive public funding.

No one here has.,. Private is private. They can do what they like although they aren't doing students any favors
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9/8/2016 6:01:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 10:30:14 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

I have rarely seen anyone say that private universities shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. Most of those problems occur primarily in public universities, which have no right to discriminate because they receive public funding.

Except they don't.
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9/8/2016 9:00:24 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/8/2016 6:01:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/7/2016 10:30:14 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

I have rarely seen anyone say that private universities shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. Most of those problems occur primarily in public universities, which have no right to discriminate because they receive public funding.

Except they don't.

You're joking, right?
I don't have a signature. :-)
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9/8/2016 9:33:01 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc,

Please provide examples of such discrimination.

Private universities can (and do) discriminate all they want. You're also claiming that conservatives cry about discrimination and first amendment rights. They aren't necessarily the same thing. And it's not necessarily discrimination that we whine about, it's the stifling of ideas other than those that might be deemed "popular" or "politically incorrect" at the institution.
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9/8/2016 10:18:54 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/8/2016 9:33:01 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc,

Please provide examples of such discrimination.

Private universities can (and do) discriminate all they want. You're also claiming that conservatives cry about discrimination and first amendment rights. They aren't necessarily the same thing. And it's not necessarily discrimination that we whine about, it's the stifling of ideas other than those that might be deemed "popular" or "politically incorrect" at the institution.

I'm sure they'll bust out the gay cake. Lol
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9/8/2016 11:15:18 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/8/2016 9:33:01 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc,

Please provide examples of such discrimination.

You're kidding, right? They're literally everywhere.

Private universities can (and do) discriminate all they want. You're also claiming that conservatives cry about discrimination and first amendment rights. They aren't necessarily the same thing. And it's not necessarily discrimination that we whine about, it's the stifling of ideas other than those that might be deemed "popular" or "politically incorrect" at the institution.

Any conservative who says trigger warnings need to be banned - aka everyone on this site like bball, YYW, Greyparrot, vortex, Kevin - is guilty of this double standard.
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9/9/2016 12:35:27 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc, but private universities or groups can't discriminate in inviting/selecting speakers or courses or texts to study, etc?

Well again those universities have a right to discriminate just like private businesses. Doesnt mean students cant complain about it
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9/9/2016 2:19:39 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/8/2016 11:15:18 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 9/8/2016 9:33:01 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 9/7/2016 8:28:22 PM, Semiya wrote:
Why can businesses discriminate in hiring practices, services offered, and products sold, etc,

Please provide examples of such discrimination.

You're kidding, right? They're literally everywhere.

Private universities can (and do) discriminate all they want. You're also claiming that conservatives cry about discrimination and first amendment rights. They aren't necessarily the same thing. And it's not necessarily discrimination that we whine about, it's the stifling of ideas other than those that might be deemed "popular" or "politically incorrect" at the institution.

Any conservative who says trigger warnings need to be banned - aka everyone on this site like bball, YYW, Greyparrot, vortex, Kevin - is guilty of this double standard.

I wasn't included. I'm hurt. I'm triggered. I need a safe place.