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9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.

Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...
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9/16/2016 2:19:48 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

the lovely irony, although they probably want more targets in reality.
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9/16/2016 2:52:44 PM
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At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

So what shall we label this one? Karma...irony...hypocrisy...comeuppance...WAIT, wait, wait I got it! "Megalomania: King of the A$$holes is Still an A$$hole"
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9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?
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9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM
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At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.
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9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...
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9/16/2016 3:40:14 PM
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At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

Sure. Find it for me.
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9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.
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9/16/2016 3:53:23 PM
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At 9/16/2016 3:40:14 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

Sure. Find it for me.

http://insider.foxnews.com...

Pretty sure inciting violence on police is another... less than polite way of saying they don't want them around..

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com...
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9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM
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At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.
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9/16/2016 4:13:03 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

It is common knowledge.
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9/16/2016 4:38:04 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for. They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.
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9/16/2016 4:38:38 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:13:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

It is common knowledge.

No its not. This, like most of your posts, is weak on logic, and zero on proof.
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9/16/2016 4:43:19 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:38:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for.

"A Black Lives Matter activist from Chicago argued during a heated Kelly File discussion that American police forces should be abolished.

"Here are the solutions. We need to abolish the police, period. Demilitarize the police, disarm the police, and we need to come up with community solutions for transformative justice," said Jessica Disu, drawing some shocked reactions. "

From the link provided above. I fail to see how a direct quote is a straw man.

They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.
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9/16/2016 4:47:10 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:38:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for. They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.

""In fact, I want the police to be abolished. I think we should be pushing the police out of our community. I think that we should be defunding the police. I think that we should be demilitarizing the police and finally dismantling the police," she continued.

Further light reading.

http://dailycaller.com...
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9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.
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9/16/2016 5:08:56 PM
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At 9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.

It is not lazy in any way. You, and so many others, simply love to strawman the organization. Why? Hell if I know.
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9/16/2016 5:12:02 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:47:10 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:38:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for. They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.

""In fact, I want the police to be abolished. I think we should be pushing the police out of our community. I think that we should be defunding the police. I think that we should be demilitarizing the police and finally dismantling the police," she continued.

Further light reading.

http://dailycaller.com...

"noting that she wasn"t speaking on behalf of the organization.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com...

Not that I am dismissing the find, that is a stupid quote to start with, but I, as I have said, see no one who I would take seriously say anything like they don't want police to patrol.

The OP is based on a strawman. That this guy shouldn't rely on police because he is part of a group that is asking police to stop shooting them.
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9/16/2016 5:13:27 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:43:19 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:38:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for.


"A Black Lives Matter activist from Chicago argued during a heated Kelly File discussion that American police forces should be abolished.

"Here are the solutions. We need to abolish the police, period. Demilitarize the police, disarm the police, and we need to come up with community solutions for transformative justice," said Jessica Disu, drawing some shocked reactions. "

From the link provided above. I fail to see how a direct quote is a straw man.

They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.

That is the same quote from the other post.

I would say again, I have yet to find anyone who thinks this is the focus of the organization, but love to strawman them for whatever reason they have.
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9/16/2016 5:16:49 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for. They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.

""In fact, I want the police to be abolished. I think we should be pushing the police out of our community. I think that we should be defunding the police. I think that we should be demilitarizing the police and finally dismantling the police," she continued.

Further light reading.

http://dailycaller.com...

"noting that she wasn"t speaking on behalf of the organization.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com...

Not that I am dismissing the find, that is a stupid quote to start with, but I, as I have said, see no one who I would take seriously say anything like they don't want police to patrol.

And? Who you would take seriously is not in any way a counter to what these members of the BLM organization have said. I don't take ANYTHING BLM has to say seriously. Does that change their message?


The OP is based on a strawman. That this guy shouldn't rely on police because he is part of a group that is asking police to stop shooting them.

The OP is based on posted sentiment of prominent (or at the least, respected) members.
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9/16/2016 5:29:30 PM
Posted: 2 months ago

Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for.


"A Black Lives Matter activist from Chicago argued during a heated Kelly File discussion that American police forces should be abolished.

"Here are the solutions. We need to abolish the police, period. Demilitarize the police, disarm the police, and we need to come up with community solutions for transformative justice," said Jessica Disu, drawing some shocked reactions. "

From the link provided above. I fail to see how a direct quote is a straw man.

They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.

That is the same quote from the other post.

I would say again, I have yet to find anyone who thinks this is the focus of the organization, but love to strawman them for whatever reason they have.

Sorry. It should be ""In fact, I want the police to be abolished. I think we should be pushing the police out of our community. I think that we should be defunding the police. I think that we should be demilitarizing the police and finally dismantling the police," she continued.

Sorry, that quote is from Nana Gyamfi, who has worked as an attorney for Black Lives Matter protesters.

The first is ""Here are the solutions. We need to abolish the police, period. Demilitarize the police, disarm the police, and we need to come up with community solutions for transformative justice," said Jessica Disu, from Fox news.

What I have are 2 prominent members, not the goobers being quoted as stating its a peaceful movement with cop cars burning in the back ground. Not goobers chanting F the Police, or stating that white reporters need to be moved to the back.

Please, tell me what criteria you use to determine whom you will take seriously.
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9/16/2016 5:32:48 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 4:38:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 4:05:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:26:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:04:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 9/16/2016 2:59:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 1:47:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Black Lives Matter Activist changes tune on police following robbery-

A University of Houston grad student active in the local Black Lives Matter movement is suddenly all for police patrols in his neighborhood " after he was robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment.


Jerry Ford Jr., described as one the leaders of the BLM movement on campus, tells KTRK that he spotted the young man loitering outside his apartment one evening last week but thought little of it. But when he went to unlock the door, the man pulled a gun and stole Ford"s wallet and cell phone.

http://heatst.com...

Can you show me anywhere BLM people have said they do NOT want the police to patrol?

I can find BLM folks stating the police should be banned altogether. Pretty sure that includes their patrols.

TBR come on seriously? Fried like bacon chant, I'm sure there's plenty of other things but I'm not really interested in finding and listing it all, geez thought this was common knowledge. Or are you going to claim they were only referring to white cops? Their actions have clearly demonstrated they are anti cop. They didn't say they didn't want patrols technically but "Black Lives Matter Leader: "Defund Police"" http://thefederalist.com... Portland "Black Lives Matter" leader OPENLY advocates for MURDER of police [VIDEO] http://therightscoop.com...

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

Agreed, it's just fun to jump on these hardliners hypocrisy. This group judged law enforcement as corrupt, murders, untrustworthy etc, until they need them. Hopefully I have been consistent in jumping all over groups who condemn a whole group of people. The about face is just funny.

I contend that it is not an about-face. This, like most of the posts about BLM, is a strawman. They are not calling for (no one serious I know of) the police to stop patrolling or doing the job they were hired for. They, BLM, is asking - in the most simple way - to stop being shot.

I agree that was probably the original goal, but the more militant of the group has taken over I think, at the very least that's how the media chooses to portray them. My statements are based on what they are now, what they have done, or has been done in their name, what they have not renounced and or encouraged. Although i don't really know you, I would believe should someone do something so against one of your values, in the name of that value you would strongly state they do not represent you or your value, I certainly would and do.
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9/16/2016 5:57:11 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
For perspective, I don't think blm can be considered an organization, it's a movement, there is no one banner or person that leads it, most of their "events" are spontaneous and not really planned ahead and thought out. That's why trying to understand what they are really about, who their leaders are, who actually speaks for them is so difficult.
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9/16/2016 6:58:48 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 5:08:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.

It is not lazy in any way. You, and so many others, simply love to strawman the organization. Why? Hell if I know.

Don't be so intellectually lazy.

The only explanation why the black community would rally to the defense of black thugs is if they perceived the cops as a bigger criminal threat to them.

The narrative of cops, and whites, and white cops targeting blacks is as old a narrative as Trayvon "skittles" Martin.
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9/16/2016 8:17:40 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 6:58:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:08:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.

It is not lazy in any way. You, and so many others, simply love to strawman the organization. Why? Hell if I know.

Don't be so intellectually lazy.

The only explanation why the black community would rally to the defense of black thugs is if they perceived the cops as a bigger criminal threat to them.

The narrative of cops, and whites, and white cops targeting blacks is as old a narrative as Trayvon "skittles" Martin.

Nice baiting.

Here is the thing. Try as any of these people like, they are not going to make any reasonable connection between the idea of BLM and disbanding the police. The two are just not connected. The name says enough. It is not "Git all police off the streets" is it?

I so don't really care about the endless strawmen that get tossed out about this "movement". The facts are simple. Too many people are being killed by policing practices that are too quick to shot. The black community has been talking about this issue for decades, we just have move video at this point. There IS a real problem, and we should all care about addressing it.
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9/16/2016 8:24:26 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 8:17:40 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 6:58:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:08:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.

It is not lazy in any way. You, and so many others, simply love to strawman the organization. Why? Hell if I know.

Don't be so intellectually lazy.

The only explanation why the black community would rally to the defense of black thugs is if they perceived the cops as a bigger criminal threat to them.

The narrative of cops, and whites, and white cops targeting blacks is as old a narrative as Trayvon "skittles" Martin.

Nice baiting.

Here is the thing. Try as any of these people like, they are not going to make any reasonable connection between the idea of BLM and disbanding the police. The two are just not connected. The name says enough. It is not "Git all police off the streets" is it?

I so don't really care about the endless strawmen that get tossed out about this "movement". The facts are simple. Too many people are being killed by policing practices that are too quick to shot. The black community has been talking about this issue for decades, we just have move video at this point. There IS a real problem, and we should all care about addressing it.

I think a large portion of people do care about addressing it, how it should be addressed is a big hurdle, blm ways of addressing the issues is counter productive and destructive, but this is the first instance anyone in the movement asked for more police, while the opposite was more their position. I think the other thread of What does blm want, is getting entwined and confused with this one.
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9/16/2016 8:34:20 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 8:24:26 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 8:17:40 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 6:58:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:08:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.

It is not lazy in any way. You, and so many others, simply love to strawman the organization. Why? Hell if I know.

Don't be so intellectually lazy.

The only explanation why the black community would rally to the defense of black thugs is if they perceived the cops as a bigger criminal threat to them.

The narrative of cops, and whites, and white cops targeting blacks is as old a narrative as Trayvon "skittles" Martin.

Nice baiting.

Here is the thing. Try as any of these people like, they are not going to make any reasonable connection between the idea of BLM and disbanding the police. The two are just not connected. The name says enough. It is not "Git all police off the streets" is it?

I so don't really care about the endless strawmen that get tossed out about this "movement". The facts are simple. Too many people are being killed by policing practices that are too quick to shot. The black community has been talking about this issue for decades, we just have move video at this point. There IS a real problem, and we should all care about addressing it.

I think a large portion of people do care about addressing it, how it should be addressed is a big hurdle, blm ways of addressing the issues is counter productive and destructive,

There is truth in this. Regardless how I feel about the reaction, crazy as I find it, it is having issues with too many.

but this is the first instance anyone in the movement asked for more police,

I highly doubt this.

while the opposite was more their position.

And I say that is simply untrue. The "movement" has no mission to remove police. It is to have police stop killing. Why is it so hard to accept that?

I think the other thread of What does blm want, is getting entwined and confused with this one.

Could be. Look, I think there a good number of people simply have a political position to sell, so they will put whatever motives into this organization they like just to make their point.
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9/16/2016 8:41:20 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 8:34:20 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 8:24:26 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/16/2016 8:17:40 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 6:58:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:08:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/16/2016 5:02:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 3:41:48 PM, TBR wrote:

I am saying the OP misses the point of the organization. I know of no one serious that says they do not want the police, only that they want the police to stop shooting so quickly.

That's totally false.

BLM exists because of the narrative of police targeting and murdering blacks. Not because they shoot too quickly.

Wake up Tibby, that was really lazy of you.

It is not lazy in any way. You, and so many others, simply love to strawman the organization. Why? Hell if I know.

Don't be so intellectually lazy.

The only explanation why the black community would rally to the defense of black thugs is if they perceived the cops as a bigger criminal threat to them.

The narrative of cops, and whites, and white cops targeting blacks is as old a narrative as Trayvon "skittles" Martin.

Nice baiting.

Here is the thing. Try as any of these people like, they are not going to make any reasonable connection between the idea of BLM and disbanding the police. The two are just not connected. The name says enough. It is not "Git all police off the streets" is it?

I so don't really care about the endless strawmen that get tossed out about this "movement". The facts are simple. Too many people are being killed by policing practices that are too quick to shot. The black community has been talking about this issue for decades, we just have move video at this point. There IS a real problem, and we should all care about addressing it.

I think a large portion of people do care about addressing it, how it should be addressed is a big hurdle, blm ways of addressing the issues is counter productive and destructive,

There is truth in this. Regardless how I feel about the reaction, crazy as I find it, it is having issues with too many.

but this is the first instance anyone in the movement asked for more police,

I highly doubt this.

while the opposite was more their position.

And I say that is simply untrue. The "movement" has no mission to remove police. It is to have police stop killing. Why is it so hard to accept that?

I think the other thread of What does blm want, is getting entwined and confused with this one.

Could be. Look, I think there a good number of people simply have a political position to sell, so they will put whatever motives into this organization they like just to make their point.

Totally agree, and I would accept that the perceptions, even mine are affected by the violent and loud minority of people in the movement, so it's very difficult to see what the movement has evolved and stands for today. Certainly this explains the various pictures painted.
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9/16/2016 8:56:38 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/16/2016 8:48:33 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/16/2016 8:17:40 PM, TBR wrote:

Nice baiting.

No...this is baiting....





I have no issue with either of these statements.