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brontoraptor
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9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
desmac
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9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.
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9/22/2016 11:34:16 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

To be fair, the FBI outed her as incompetent and untrustworthy... Just not criminally liable. It's still a massive blow and the likely reason why she's so low on opinion polls.
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9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
desmac
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9/22/2016 11:40:33 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

I never look at any of the mulch you post.
You asked a question , I answered it .
brontoraptor
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9/22/2016 12:38:30 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:40:33 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

I never look at any of the mulch you post.
You asked a question , I answered it .

If you never look at it how do you know it's mulch
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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9/22/2016 12:43:03 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Neither was Hitler or Asad technically, but still obviously guilty. We don't need a court to manifest a public opinion that emmulates the findings of the FBI.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
desmac
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9/22/2016 12:43:19 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:38:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:40:33 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

I never look at any of the mulch you post.
You asked a question , I answered it .

If you never look at it how do you know it's mulch

Because I looked at the first couple, recognized the pattern, and have bothered with none since,
Also the general tone of responses to your mulch would indicate that the content has not changed.
brontoraptor
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9/22/2016 12:46:40 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:43:19 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:38:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:40:33 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

I never look at any of the mulch you post.
You asked a question , I answered it .

If you never look at it how do you know it's mulch

Because I looked at the first couple, recognized the pattern, and have bothered with none since,
Also the general tone of responses to your mulch would indicate that the content has not changed.

In other words, you find me repulsive, yet you habitually respond every time. Kind of like a bug to a bug zapper
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
desmac
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9/22/2016 12:54:37 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:46:40 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:43:19 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:38:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:40:33 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

I never look at any of the mulch you post.
You asked a question , I answered it .

If you never look at it how do you know it's mulch

Because I looked at the first couple, recognized the pattern, and have bothered with none since,
Also the general tone of responses to your mulch would indicate that the content has not changed.

In other words, you find me repulsive, yet you habitually respond every time. Kind of like a bug to a bug zapper

Aww poor little crapto.
I don't find you repulsive, I find you an almost limitless source of amusement.

Sounds like you could use a better quality bug zapper, mine kills them outright.
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9/22/2016 1:02:43 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

actually don't explain why anyone jumps to her defense, it's always the same and obvious, lemmings
How is it some of the top lawyers examined the law, it's there for everyone to read which didn't seem to require intent.
How he also admitted her emails contained a least part of the classification mark, but they she said she didn't know what the marks meant, for the rest of us, ignorance is not a defense, neither is stupidity, but I guess both are for her.
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9/22/2016 1:07:34 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:54:37 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:46:40 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:43:19 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:38:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:40:33 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:37:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

Explain to us how a video of Trae Gowdy cross examining is a "hate-vid". Then explain to us why you are always the first to jump to her defense after just last night telling me you did not support her nor would you vote for her.

I never look at any of the mulch you post.
You asked a question , I answered it .

If you never look at it how do you know it's mulch

Because I looked at the first couple, recognized the pattern, and have bothered with none since,
Also the general tone of responses to your mulch would indicate that the content has not changed.

In other words, you find me repulsive, yet you habitually respond every time. Kind of like a bug to a bug zapper

Aww poor little crapto.
I don't find you repulsive, I find you an almost limitless source of amusement.

Sounds like you could use a better quality bug zapper, mine kills them outright.

you don't realize he's the best angler and you take his bait hook, line and sinker, which amuses the rest of us, so thanks for that. You pick on him cause you secretly love him, just like kids use to do in elementary school, I think it's cute, even your little pet name, so sweet, awwww b29;b29;b29;
Stymie13
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9/22/2016 2:01:15 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Unfortunately for politicians, stupidity and incompetence aren't convictional offenses.
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9/22/2016 3:35:17 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

It's very hard to prosecute someone who knows how to get rid of people without being caught.
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9/22/2016 4:06:43 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Well lets see.... Perhaps because she has committed no crime? That is the, you know, logical answer.
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9/22/2016 4:08:16 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 4:06:43 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Well lets see.... Perhaps because she has committed no crime? That is the, you know, logical answer.

actually to be more accurate, because she hasn't been convicted.
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9/22/2016 4:12:37 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 4:08:16 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 4:06:43 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Well lets see.... Perhaps because she has committed no crime? That is the, you know, logical answer.

actually to be more accurate, because she hasn't been convicted.

Or tried.
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9/22/2016 4:26:03 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 4:08:16 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 4:06:43 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Well lets see.... Perhaps because she has committed no crime? That is the, you know, logical answer.

actually to be more accurate, because she hasn't been convicted.

Never indicted, never tried for a crime. Real hard to be convicted when, well...
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9/22/2016 5:17:05 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Because she has not been charged, indicted, tried or convicted
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9/22/2016 5:58:54 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:17:05 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Because she has not been charged, indicted, tried or convicted

yet
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9/22/2016 6:12:55 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:58:54 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:17:05 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Because she has not been charged, indicted, tried or convicted

yet

And it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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9/22/2016 6:32:53 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 6:12:55 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:58:54 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:17:05 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Because she has not been charged, indicted, tried or convicted

yet

And it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

dunno what the Vegas odds are, don't really care either
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9/22/2016 9:54:50 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 6:32:53 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 6:12:55 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:58:54 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:17:05 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Because she has not been charged, indicted, tried or convicted

yet

And it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

dunno what the Vegas odds are, don't really care either

Stuff keeps coming out. If she doesn't win the election she could become victim to her own system she manipulated for so long unless Donald is merciful to her. If she doesn't win her political career should be over.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/23/2016 9:57:53 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

But she was. The FBI gave a list of her offenses, some were criminal offenses, namely purgery. They admitted she was guilty but "were not pressing charges because they felt she had no intent".
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/23/2016 10:00:19 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
But in all honesty I don't think she's out of the woods yet. If she loses the election the Obama firewall around her goes away and she will be void of political authority and power. And...her nemesis will be in power. Hmmmm...how does a Trump executive order sound right about now?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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9/23/2016 10:19:52 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/23/2016 9:57:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:31:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2016 11:21:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Was Hillary Clinton's email scandal a deal breaker? Can you be President after this kind of blunder and cover up? I have listened to her testimony, the FBI's testimony, Huma Abedin's testimony, the thoughts of congressmen and women...so...why is Hillary not in prison right now?

Trae Gowdy in regards to Hillary Clinton's emails-

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

http://youtu.be...

Obviously, I don't watch your hate-vids, but in answer to the question posed in the title of the thread, because she has never been found guilty of an imprisonable offense.

But she was. The FBI gave a list of her offenses, some were criminal offenses, namely purgery. They admitted she was guilty but "were not pressing charges because they felt she had no intent".

She has never been indicted, tried or found guilty of a criminal offense.