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Tineric
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9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.
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9/30/2016 9:56:06 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Obama in his book wants white people afraid. His creation of ISIS was built on social control. Liberals need someone to control them. I've never understood why fully. Maybe no self confidence, lack of self esteem. I don't know. They are like the girl who gets the crap kicked out of her by her boyfriend yet keeps running back to him. Then when you ask why they ran back they say, "Well, he makes me feel good".
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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slo1
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9/30/2016 2:25:54 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Everyone knows that ISIS and Assad are fighting a common enemy who is supported by the US. It is the classic enemy of my enemy.

If we truly can change our hat on the rebels we support we should pull a Trump and double down on a possible terrible strategy and help the clear Assad forces from Aleppo.

Syria has been a failure waiting to happen as soon as we took a side. Nobody questions it, but one has to wonder how much our Isreali policies played in determining to support over throwing Assad. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah pose a real threat to Israel. Israel even has given medical aid to rebels fighting across the border of Golan Heights.

They used to have full control of Syrian air space and could launch attacks such as the one destroying a nuclear plant. Israel try that now and they are getting shot down by Russian anti aircraft.

As much as many are proclaiming we ought to joinn Russia and focus on ISIS is completely ignoring the future risk placing on Israel.

US needs to bomb Syrian forces to the point that Syria and Russia don't think they can win, which will in turn give leverage to a political process where we can ensure Israel doesn't get a supper aggressive neighbor with newly found Russian technology that left behind or sold to them.
Stymie13
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9/30/2016 6:37:02 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 2:25:54 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Everyone knows that ISIS and Assad are fighting a common enemy who is supported by the US. It is the classic enemy of my enemy.

If we truly can change our hat on the rebels we support we should pull a Trump and double down on a possible terrible strategy and help the clear Assad forces from Aleppo.

Syria has been a failure waiting to happen as soon as we took a side. Nobody questions it, but one has to wonder how much our Isreali policies played in determining to support over throwing Assad. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah pose a real threat to Israel. Israel even has given medical aid to rebels fighting across the border of Golan Heights.

They used to have full control of Syrian air space and could launch attacks such as the one destroying a nuclear plant. Israel try that now and they are getting shot down by Russian anti aircraft.

As much as many are proclaiming we ought to joinn Russia and focus on ISIS is completely ignoring the future risk placing on Israel.

US needs to bomb Syrian forces to the point that Syria and Russia don't think they can win, which will in turn give leverage to a political process where we can ensure Israel doesn't get a supper aggressive neighbor with newly found Russian technology that left behind or sold to them.

How about letting them take care of each other without our interference on any side?
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9/30/2016 7:04:29 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 6:37:02 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 2:25:54 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Everyone knows that ISIS and Assad are fighting a common enemy who is supported by the US. It is the classic enemy of my enemy.

If we truly can change our hat on the rebels we support we should pull a Trump and double down on a possible terrible strategy and help the clear Assad forces from Aleppo.

Syria has been a failure waiting to happen as soon as we took a side. Nobody questions it, but one has to wonder how much our Isreali policies played in determining to support over throwing Assad. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah pose a real threat to Israel. Israel even has given medical aid to rebels fighting across the border of Golan Heights.

They used to have full control of Syrian air space and could launch attacks such as the one destroying a nuclear plant. Israel try that now and they are getting shot down by Russian anti aircraft.

As much as many are proclaiming we ought to joinn Russia and focus on ISIS is completely ignoring the future risk placing on Israel.

US needs to bomb Syrian forces to the point that Syria and Russia don't think they can win, which will in turn give leverage to a political process where we can ensure Israel doesn't get a supper aggressive neighbor with newly found Russian technology that left behind or sold to them.


How about letting them take care of each other without our interference on any side?

That is probably a good policy especially in the Middle East where politics and factions shift on a dime. Shooting our enemy in the foot seem to amount to shooting our own foot 5 years later. Although some may argue doing nothing amounts to shooting yourself in both feet 5 years later.

We have to have a vested interest in nuclear non proliferation. Other than that I mostly agree not intervening in middle East. In fact imagine ISIS takes control of Iraq. There could be benefit to letting them be and understand that any attack attributed to them against us or allies results in many bombs falling on spots they don't want them falling.

Teach them to contain their terrorism locally and let Saudi Arabia and Iran figure out how to bring stability to the region.

Unfortunately in this case though, to walk with tail between legs and stop supporting Syrian rebels would probably do us more harm than good.

Also unfortunate, both Presidential candidates and now most feel Isis must be eliminated versus contained. Little do they know if Isis is destroyed in name the desire for radical islam will not go away. IT will rear its head in another name just like AQ in Iraq changed to ISIS.
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9/30/2016 7:28:57 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 7:04:29 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 6:37:02 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 2:25:54 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Everyone knows that ISIS and Assad are fighting a common enemy who is supported by the US. It is the classic enemy of my enemy.

If we truly can change our hat on the rebels we support we should pull a Trump and double down on a possible terrible strategy and help the clear Assad forces from Aleppo.

Syria has been a failure waiting to happen as soon as we took a side. Nobody questions it, but one has to wonder how much our Isreali policies played in determining to support over throwing Assad. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah pose a real threat to Israel. Israel even has given medical aid to rebels fighting across the border of Golan Heights.

They used to have full control of Syrian air space and could launch attacks such as the one destroying a nuclear plant. Israel try that now and they are getting shot down by Russian anti aircraft.

As much as many are proclaiming we ought to joinn Russia and focus on ISIS is completely ignoring the future risk placing on Israel.

US needs to bomb Syrian forces to the point that Syria and Russia don't think they can win, which will in turn give leverage to a political process where we can ensure Israel doesn't get a supper aggressive neighbor with newly found Russian technology that left behind or sold to them.


How about letting them take care of each other without our interference on any side?

That is probably a good policy especially in the Middle East where politics and factions shift on a dime. Shooting our enemy in the foot seem to amount to shooting our own foot 5 years later. Although some may argue doing nothing amounts to shooting yourself in both feet 5 years later.

We have to have a vested interest in nuclear non proliferation. Other than that I mostly agree not intervening in middle East. In fact imagine ISIS takes control of Iraq. There could be benefit to letting them be and understand that any attack attributed to them against us or allies results in many bombs falling on spots they don't want them falling.

Teach them to contain their terrorism locally and let Saudi Arabia and Iran figure out how to bring stability to the region.

Unfortunately in this case though, to walk with tail between legs and stop supporting Syrian rebels would probably do us more harm than good.

Also unfortunate, both Presidential candidates and now most feel Isis must be eliminated versus contained. Little do they know if Isis is destroyed in name the desire for radical islam will not go away. IT will rear its head in another name just like AQ in Iraq changed to ISIS.

Refreshing perspective... liberal-independent-and more conservatives everyday realizing the whole intervention to prevent terror does NOTHING to benefit the US.
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9/30/2016 7:53:53 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 7:28:57 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:04:29 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 6:37:02 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 2:25:54 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Everyone knows that ISIS and Assad are fighting a common enemy who is supported by the US. It is the classic enemy of my enemy.

If we truly can change our hat on the rebels we support we should pull a Trump and double down on a possible terrible strategy and help the clear Assad forces from Aleppo.

Syria has been a failure waiting to happen as soon as we took a side. Nobody questions it, but one has to wonder how much our Isreali policies played in determining to support over throwing Assad. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah pose a real threat to Israel. Israel even has given medical aid to rebels fighting across the border of Golan Heights.

They used to have full control of Syrian air space and could launch attacks such as the one destroying a nuclear plant. Israel try that now and they are getting shot down by Russian anti aircraft.

As much as many are proclaiming we ought to joinn Russia and focus on ISIS is completely ignoring the future risk placing on Israel.

US needs to bomb Syrian forces to the point that Syria and Russia don't think they can win, which will in turn give leverage to a political process where we can ensure Israel doesn't get a supper aggressive neighbor with newly found Russian technology that left behind or sold to them.


How about letting them take care of each other without our interference on any side?

That is probably a good policy especially in the Middle East where politics and factions shift on a dime. Shooting our enemy in the foot seem to amount to shooting our own foot 5 years later. Although some may argue doing nothing amounts to shooting yourself in both feet 5 years later.

We have to have a vested interest in nuclear non proliferation. Other than that I mostly agree not intervening in middle East. In fact imagine ISIS takes control of Iraq. There could be benefit to letting them be and understand that any attack attributed to them against us or allies results in many bombs falling on spots they don't want them falling.

Teach them to contain their terrorism locally and let Saudi Arabia and Iran figure out how to bring stability to the region.

Unfortunately in this case though, to walk with tail between legs and stop supporting Syrian rebels would probably do us more harm than good.

Also unfortunate, both Presidential candidates and now most feel Isis must be eliminated versus contained. Little do they know if Isis is destroyed in name the desire for radical islam will not go away. IT will rear its head in another name just like AQ in Iraq changed to ISIS.

Refreshing perspective... liberal-independent-and more conservatives everyday realizing the whole intervention to prevent terror does NOTHING to benefit the US.

lol they can't all even agree on a name, isis isil
these little wars are lining someone's pockets, just because we haven't heard about $100 hammers and $700 toilet seats we'd be fools to think this still isn't going on, now add in the money for the weapons manufactures, drive for research to build bigger and better killing machines and you have these little wars because they are profitable, another follow the money I think, in the guise of some sort of humanitarian, human rights whatever excuse to get involved. been going on long before now, I'm no history buff but I don't know if anything after WWII could really be justified other than they were for political and financial gain.
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9/30/2016 8:11:41 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 7:53:53 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:28:57 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:04:29 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 6:37:02 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 2:25:54 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 7:42:00 AM, Tineric wrote:
The Syrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Walid Muallem said that Washington and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other terrorist organizations. It was confirmed by air strikes of the USA-led coalition on positions of the Syrian army in Deir ez-Zor.
"The Syrian government imposes a full responsibility for the aggression on the United States. It"s corroborating that this was a premeditated attack, not a fault. Even the US says the opposite. This despicable aggression proves that the US and its allies are participators in the crimes of the "Islamic State" and other armed terrorist organizations", he said. Muallem added that the Syrian government is ready to negotiate on a peaceful settlement of the conflict under the auspices of the United Nations.
According to him, Syria takes a "constructive position on a political settlement of question".
In addition, the Syrian government is ready to cooperate with the UN and the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in the investigation of incidents of toxic substances committed during the conflict in the Middle Eastern country.
Muallem stressed that the government "has destroyed all chemical weapons in Syria effectively and responsibly". In this regard, Syria reaffirms its readiness to cooperate with the Joint mechanism for investigation and to continue its own an investigation", the minister said.

Everyone knows that ISIS and Assad are fighting a common enemy who is supported by the US. It is the classic enemy of my enemy.

If we truly can change our hat on the rebels we support we should pull a Trump and double down on a possible terrible strategy and help the clear Assad forces from Aleppo.

Syria has been a failure waiting to happen as soon as we took a side. Nobody questions it, but one has to wonder how much our Isreali policies played in determining to support over throwing Assad. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah pose a real threat to Israel. Israel even has given medical aid to rebels fighting across the border of Golan Heights.

They used to have full control of Syrian air space and could launch attacks such as the one destroying a nuclear plant. Israel try that now and they are getting shot down by Russian anti aircraft.

As much as many are proclaiming we ought to joinn Russia and focus on ISIS is completely ignoring the future risk placing on Israel.

US needs to bomb Syrian forces to the point that Syria and Russia don't think they can win, which will in turn give leverage to a political process where we can ensure Israel doesn't get a supper aggressive neighbor with newly found Russian technology that left behind or sold to them.


How about letting them take care of each other without our interference on any side?

That is probably a good policy especially in the Middle East where politics and factions shift on a dime. Shooting our enemy in the foot seem to amount to shooting our own foot 5 years later. Although some may argue doing nothing amounts to shooting yourself in both feet 5 years later.

We have to have a vested interest in nuclear non proliferation. Other than that I mostly agree not intervening in middle East. In fact imagine ISIS takes control of Iraq. There could be benefit to letting them be and understand that any attack attributed to them against us or allies results in many bombs falling on spots they don't want them falling.

Teach them to contain their terrorism locally and let Saudi Arabia and Iran figure out how to bring stability to the region.

Unfortunately in this case though, to walk with tail between legs and stop supporting Syrian rebels would probably do us more harm than good.

Also unfortunate, both Presidential candidates and now most feel Isis must be eliminated versus contained. Little do they know if Isis is destroyed in name the desire for radical islam will not go away. IT will rear its head in another name just like AQ in Iraq changed to ISIS.

Refreshing perspective... liberal-independent-and more conservatives everyday realizing the whole intervention to prevent terror does NOTHING to benefit the US.

lol they can't all even agree on a name, isis isil
these little wars are lining someone's pockets, just because we haven't heard about $100 hammers and $700 toilet seats we'd be fools to think this still isn't going on, now add in the money for the weapons manufactures, drive for research to build bigger and better killing machines and you have these little wars because they are profitable, another follow the money I think, in the guise of some sort of humanitarian, human rights whatever excuse to get involved. been going on long before now, I'm no history buff but I don't know if anything after WWII could really be justified other than they were for political and financial gain.

Korea, Grenada, special ops... those had aims not solely based on chicanery. The rest, strong arguments can be made that they weren't for the stAted public rationale