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Do we take sides here too I vs P?

Skepsikyma
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9/30/2016 5:23:35 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 4:52:35 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
For the interventionists, do we take sides here too?

http://www.nbcnews.com...

India's side. We need to make sure that this doesn't strengthen their relationship with China, whose proximity to the Kashmir conflict means that they will surely become involved sooner or later.
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9/30/2016 6:05:43 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 5:23:35 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/30/2016 4:52:35 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
For the interventionists, do we take sides here too?

http://www.nbcnews.com...

India's side. We need to make sure that this doesn't strengthen their relationship with China, whose proximity to the Kashmir conflict means that they will surely become involved sooner or later.

China and India aren't on the best of terms. China kicked their azz in 71 and India is still harboring an inferiority complex.

http://thediplomat.com...
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9/30/2016 6:36:33 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 4:52:35 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
For the interventionists, do we take sides here too?

http://www.nbcnews.com...
Historically, we have sided with Pakistan, as India has been a pro-Soviet satellite and equally hostile to China. It was a balancing act then and so it remains to this day, as India and Russia align against Pakistan and China.

But post-Cold War India is rejecting the socialism of the INC and opening up to the world of business and technology. India therefore seems the natural ally, but I would advise everyone to consult the history books by turning that chapter.

As far as the strikes are concerned, though, Pakistani territory cannot be monitored. But that works both ways, as terrorists and rebels can never form cohesive units to become strong enough to topple the government. The more dangerous aspect, therefore, is whether nuclear weapons can be stolen ("dirty bomb" technology) and sold to radicals elsewhere. With that in mind, it is particularly important to stay close to Islamabad, the Pakistani military, and the ISI.
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9/30/2016 8:02:25 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 6:05:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/30/2016 5:23:35 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/30/2016 4:52:35 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
For the interventionists, do we take sides here too?

http://www.nbcnews.com...

India's side. We need to make sure that this doesn't strengthen their relationship with China, whose proximity to the Kashmir conflict means that they will surely become involved sooner or later.

China and India aren't on the best of terms. China kicked their azz in 71 and India is still harboring an inferiority complex.

http://thediplomat.com...

Oh I know, but it's best to keep it that way. Siding with Pakistan would be a horrible blunder because it would force India into China's arms. Siding with India would also help to repair damaged relations with Russia. I expect to see American interests more strongly coincide with Russian interests as the pivot to Asia and containment of China progress.
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9/30/2016 8:26:36 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Got to give some credit to responses so far: much more thoughtful than the usual tripe on here!

India and Pakistan will continue to bicker and snipe each other. 2003 was very close to full blown war... cooler heads prevailed then as they probably will now. India is quickly, and quietly, accumulating many small to medium tech firms here and the U.K... and we all know of the various outsourcing roles currently sent to Mumbai, Bangalore, and chennai.

My 2 cents: keep trading with China, push for more trade with India, start selling vs donating arms to Pakistan and, for pete's sake, when rounds/mortars/artillery fly, stay neutral.
tejretics
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10/1/2016 3:47:13 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
It's not exactly simple.

The entire purpose of "intervention" in such scenarios is maintaining stability, thus advancing the interests of the nation in question (i.e. the U.S., in the context of this thread).

Pakistan has been known to give North Korea technological aid, and is also known to turn a blind eye to terrorist organizations. That is directly against the interest of the United States, which obviously means some aggressive diplomatic action needs to be taken. In addition, India is a relatively powerful state, and if the U.S. doesn't take their side from a diplomatic perspective, it is going to lean on the most powerful state that borders it: China, a geopolitical rival of the United States. So, I would definitely think the U.S. should be in "India's side," here, from the perspective of the United States.

Though they shouldn't do anything from a perspective of military action unless there is severe risk of a nuclear strike.
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10/1/2016 4:30:44 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
The U.S. is really gonna need India's help to contain China. Let's not squander that for the sake of a country which has consistently aided the Taliban in the Afghanistan War.
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