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brontoraptor
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10/4/2016 5:10:04 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
http://brennerbrief.com...

http://www.islam-watch.org...

http://www.danielpipes.org...

"Black lives matter" is simply a front for radical Islam per muruna and taqiya. These aren't typically the descendents of American slavery. These are the descendents of Islam.

BLM was created to divide blacks against blacks and blacks against whites in an effort to divide America and send it into confusion per a group of Islamic techniques call muruna, tawriya, taqiya, and kitman. Your country took the bait.

http://truthuncensored.net...

http://vladtepesblog.com...

http://m.huffpost.com...

http://m.townhall.com...

http://shoebat.com...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com...

http://www.truthrevolt.org...

http://www.breitbart.com...

http://usawatchdog.com...

http://www.dailywire.com...

https://adarapress.com...

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

http://www.thetribunepapers.com...

http://freedomoutpost.com...

So...then you look at African Americans that you know are your normal African American who's fathers were actual products of American slavery, and they think BLM is nuts, get attacked by BLM, or are "concerned" about its tactics, or are labeled names.

http://www.ibtimes.com...

http://hypeline.org...

https://m.youtube.com...

http://bluelivesmatter.blue...

http://www.newsbusters.org...

http://www.salon.com...

Walid Shoebat, ex Muslim
QUOTE:

"What the West does not understand about Islamism is that Jihad is very systematic. It has stages. If Muslims have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged by force. If Muslims do not have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged through financial and political means. Since Muslims do not have the upper hand in America or Europe, they talk about peace in front of you while supporting Hamas and Hezbollah in the back room. The whole idea of Islam being a peaceful religion emanates from that silent stage of Jihad."

"to this very day, Muslims do not view peace treaties in the same way that most people understand a "peace-treaty." To the Muslim mind, treaties are not binding agreements, but rather opportunities to grow stronger or buy time or to appear peaceful while preparing for war. But make no mistake, making peace treaties with the infidels simply for the sake of peace is never the ultimate goal. The only goal of Islam is victory over the whole world."

https://www.goodreads.com...

http://shoebat.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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10/4/2016 5:13:05 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Look at all that source spamming.
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10/4/2016 9:13:23 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/4/2016 5:20:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I mean, it would be abstractly cool if that was true. I'm a sucker for a good convoluted plot.

Islam is all about convoluted plots. It was Muhammed's message. Deception, espionage, infiltration, divide from within, pretend to be your enemy to destroy your enemy. And the kicker. BLM was founded by a Muslim. Who could have guessed?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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10/4/2016 9:22:30 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/4/2016 9:13:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 10/4/2016 5:20:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I mean, it would be abstractly cool if that was true. I'm a sucker for a good convoluted plot.

Islam is all about convoluted plots. It was Muhammed's message. Deception, espionage, infiltration, divide from within, pretend to be your enemy to destroy your enemy. And the kicker. BLM was founded by a Muslim. Who could have guessed?

In all fairness, doesn't pretty much every faction with an interest in political outcomes engage in this stuff? I don't think plotting against your enemies is an Islamic invention.
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10/4/2016 9:27:57 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/4/2016 9:22:30 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/4/2016 9:13:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 10/4/2016 5:20:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I mean, it would be abstractly cool if that was true. I'm a sucker for a good convoluted plot.

Islam is all about convoluted plots. It was Muhammed's message. Deception, espionage, infiltration, divide from within, pretend to be your enemy to destroy your enemy. And the kicker. BLM was founded by a Muslim. Who could have guessed?

In all fairness, doesn't pretty much every faction with an interest in political outcomes engage in this stuff? I don't think plotting against your enemies is an Islamic invention.

Sure. But this one is backed by a firewall of liberalism and 2 billion adherants, backed by the underrated fact that they literally believe it is God's will.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
Cody_Franklin
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10/4/2016 11:29:06 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/4/2016 9:27:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 10/4/2016 9:22:30 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/4/2016 9:13:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 10/4/2016 5:20:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I mean, it would be abstractly cool if that was true. I'm a sucker for a good convoluted plot.

Islam is all about convoluted plots. It was Muhammed's message. Deception, espionage, infiltration, divide from within, pretend to be your enemy to destroy your enemy. And the kicker. BLM was founded by a Muslim. Who could have guessed?

In all fairness, doesn't pretty much every faction with an interest in political outcomes engage in this stuff? I don't think plotting against your enemies is an Islamic invention.

Sure. But this one is backed by a firewall of liberalism and 2 billion adherents, backed by the underrated fact that they literally believe it is God's will.

Well, to be fair, most of your sources implying a connection suggest Muslim-American activists are being opportunistic and trying to use a movement forwarded against perceived disenfranchising of minorities (black people in particular). The religion does have something like two billion adherents, but I think that's actually a point against a widespread Islamic conspiracy--it's just a fact of addition that internal politics become more complicated and factionalized as you stick more people into the system. One of the big problems with Islam is precisely that there is pervasive sectarian conflict preventing Muslims from presenting themselves as a unified front (and, insofar as the global Muslim population is unlikely to spontaneously decline, it's likely going to be an ongoing problem).

And even your more fringe-y sources (e.g., Truth Revolt") pretty much just say "ISIS is cheering for violence and specifically the deaths of police officers", which I think is a different claim than "ISIS directly orchestrates BLM activity" (which would be a hard sell anyway, since, as many of BLM's critics are fond of pointing out (and I think are actually somewhat right to point out) that it's more of a loosely-defined movement than an organization). If you wanted to attribute agency to other known terrorist organizations, e.g., Al Qaeda, you'd have an even bigger problem, since, in addition to stuff like short reach and resource constraints, most terror cells by their nature operate with relative autonomy, which would make orchestrating a central command structure--which is necessary to keep active tabs on a cunning plot with the level of sophistication you're suggesting--incredibly difficult.

Beyond actual organizations, though, most of your sources indicate that, in addition to the movement being coopted by Muslims rather than originated by them, the extent of that cooptation is often limited to shared advocacy and public endorsements by influential figures in the community, some of whom, e.g., CAIR's Nihad Awad, have some controversial views and ties (I don't know nearly enough about the internal politics of Hamas, much less its specific geopolitical position, to comment on his endorsement of the group, but I'm actually sympathetic to his frustration with Israel--while I understand its importance as an American strategic asset (which, me not being particularly patriotic, doesn't come off as a compelling argument anyway), I actually likewise deny their "right to exist" as a state and lament the historical conditions under which that country was brought to term).

I think your rhetoric is somewhat similar to what was adopted prior to the internment of German- and Japanese-Americans during the war--I think it's a little too hasty to try and homogenize a vast and diverse pool of people just for the sake of making a tribal identification that much easier. I can't say I sympathize very much with that tactic.