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10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.
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10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.
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10/9/2016 5:12:43 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

I do not know. It is tough to lose $1 Billion a year owning a casino. Not many people could do that if they tried. lol you could lose $100 million gambling in his casino and come out way way better than Trump.

But yeah, no "actual" good businessman think Trump is a good businessman. Many solid businessman (like Warren Buffett, ect) have come out against Trump. Taking your money to the roulette table may be a poor investment choice, but it is wa way better than investing in Trump's business.
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10/9/2016 5:15:35 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:12:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

I do not know. It is tough to lose $1 Billion a year owning a casino. Not many people could do that if they tried. lol you could lose $100 million gambling in his casino and come out way way better than Trump.

But yeah, no "actual" good businessman think Trump is a good businessman. Many solid businessman (like Warren Buffett, ect) have come out against Trump. Taking your money to the roulette table may be a poor investment choice, but it is wa way better than investing in Trump's business.

http://money.cnn.com...

yes, it's just Trump...

How much profit has Elon Musk reported? Have any of Warren Buffet's businesses filed bankruptcy. You guys are sad. Of all the arguments to make against him this is not a valid one.
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10/9/2016 5:17:25 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

You try making 4.5 billion dollars and tell Trump that he isn't successful.
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10/9/2016 5:20:09 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:15:35 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:12:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

I do not know. It is tough to lose $1 Billion a year owning a casino. Not many people could do that if they tried. lol you could lose $100 million gambling in his casino and come out way way better than Trump.

But yeah, no "actual" good businessman think Trump is a good businessman. Many solid businessman (like Warren Buffett, ect) have come out against Trump. Taking your money to the roulette table may be a poor investment choice, but it is wa way better than investing in Trump's business.

http://money.cnn.com...

yes, it's just Trump...

How much profit has Elon Musk reported? Have any of Warren Buffet's businesses filed bankruptcy. You guys are sad. Of all the arguments to make against him this is not a valid one.

Trump clearly is a bad businessman. Calling him a bad businessman solely based on his $1 Billion loss may not be valid but know person with knowledge about business thinks he is good. I made a couple threads on it a while back and went into more detail.

Musk and Buffett create tremendous value for their investors, while Trump loses his investors money.
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10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:17:25 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

You try making 4.5 billion dollars and tell Trump that he isn't successful.

Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.
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10/9/2016 5:25:48 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
You know what will help the working class?

Mass immigration, outsourcing, and foreign war
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10/9/2016 5:27:27 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:17:25 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

You try making 4.5 billion dollars and tell Trump that he isn't successful.

Lets see... HE says it is north of 10b. However, several people have run the numbers, and it shows that he has unperformed the market.

http://www.forbes.com...

So.... If I had started with what Trump himself says he started with, I would have beat his 4.5b mark with ease.
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10/9/2016 5:32:36 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:20:09 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:15:35 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:12:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

I do not know. It is tough to lose $1 Billion a year owning a casino. Not many people could do that if they tried. lol you could lose $100 million gambling in his casino and come out way way better than Trump.

But yeah, no "actual" good businessman think Trump is a good businessman. Many solid businessman (like Warren Buffett, ect) have come out against Trump. Taking your money to the roulette table may be a poor investment choice, but it is wa way better than investing in Trump's business.

http://money.cnn.com...

yes, it's just Trump...

How much profit has Elon Musk reported? Have any of Warren Buffet's businesses filed bankruptcy. You guys are sad. Of all the arguments to make against him this is not a valid one.

Trump clearly is a bad businessman. Calling him a bad businessman solely based on his $1 Billion loss may not be valid but know person with knowledge about business thinks he is good. I made a couple threads on it a while back and went into more detail.

Musk and Buffett create tremendous value for their investors, while Trump loses his investors money.

"Donald is one of the smartest and most astute businessmen I have had the pleasure of knowing. His mastery of financial, political and economic intellectual complexity combined with his charm and emotional intelligence when partnering with New York labor unions, governmental regulatory bodies, Wall Street lenders, sophisticated institutional global investors, demanding developers, global media and entertainment companies and hard-working employees, is a dynastic art form. I have invested with Donald in a multitude of transactions over three decades and he has always exceeded my expectations on every measurable metric of excellence. "

Or how about Forbes #49 Andrew Beal? Who emphatically supports Trump?

Ellon Musk is ranked #34 but he outperforms Trump in the losses column. He just happens to have billions in government subsidies. I don't hear any outrage towards him.
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10/9/2016 5:32:38 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

lol this is the age of unemployment...there is no working class...that's a minority.
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10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.
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10/9/2016 5:48:59 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:32:36 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:20:09 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:15:35 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:12:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

The myth is that Trump is successful in the first place. He is not.

I do not know. It is tough to lose $1 Billion a year owning a casino. Not many people could do that if they tried. lol you could lose $100 million gambling in his casino and come out way way better than Trump.

But yeah, no "actual" good businessman think Trump is a good businessman. Many solid businessman (like Warren Buffett, ect) have come out against Trump. Taking your money to the roulette table may be a poor investment choice, but it is wa way better than investing in Trump's business.

http://money.cnn.com...

yes, it's just Trump...

How much profit has Elon Musk reported? Have any of Warren Buffet's businesses filed bankruptcy. You guys are sad. Of all the arguments to make against him this is not a valid one.

Trump clearly is a bad businessman. Calling him a bad businessman solely based on his $1 Billion loss may not be valid but know person with knowledge about business thinks he is good. I made a couple threads on it a while back and went into more detail.

Musk and Buffett create tremendous value for their investors, while Trump loses his investors money.

"Donald is one of the smartest and most astute businessmen I have had the pleasure of knowing. His mastery of financial, political and economic intellectual complexity combined with his charm and emotional intelligence when partnering with New York labor unions, governmental regulatory bodies, Wall Street lenders, sophisticated institutional global investors, demanding developers, global media and entertainment companies and hard-working employees, is a dynastic art form. I have invested with Donald in a multitude of transactions over three decades and he has always exceeded my expectations on every measurable metric of excellence. "

Or how about Forbes #49 Andrew Beal? Who emphatically supports Trump?

Ellon Musk is ranked #34 but he outperforms Trump in the losses column. He just happens to have billions in government subsidies. I don't hear any outrage towards him.

A few businessman may support Trump. But, the grand majority do not. Also, Beal is Trump's economic adviser, so it makes sense for him to say good things about Trump. I wonder what Beal would say if he was not given an economic advisory position?

Carl Icon also supports Trump. But here is what Ican had to say about Trump.

"I"m not here to say Donald"s a great businessman,"

Musk is using posting losses and using the tax code as it was designed. Musk is innovating and creating new technology that will benefit all of society. Trump is not innovating. All new industries start with losses for many years.
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10/9/2016 5:52:09 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?
Because I did not start with the same money as Trump. Simple as that.

He, Trump, did not start with 1m. Read the article, or just continue to ignore the reality.


You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.
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10/9/2016 5:52:15 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.

That means at the rate of return on his father's loan (which means repayed). If your parents lent you $100. You should be worth $440,000 if what he did was so easy.
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10/9/2016 6:00:41 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.

Well if I started with Trump's wealth way back when, I would be a billionaire today. I did not start with Trump's wealth and was not born way back when. All you would have to do is throw your money into the stock market and chill. It is easy to become a billionaire (if you want to) when you are born into tremendous wealth.
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10/9/2016 6:20:03 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:52:15 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.

That means at the rate of return on his father's loan (which means repayed). If your parents lent you $100. You should be worth $440,000 if what he did was so easy.

Trump got more assistance from his father than just $1 Million. His loan was at least $14 million, his father also gave him $3.5 million later. The exact assistance Trump got will never be known as Trump will never release his tax returns. But it seems like Trump pretty much inherited his father business. If you invested Trump's net worth from 1980 it would be worth more than Trump's net worth today.

What Trump did make a lot of money from is becoming a reality TV Star. Like Kim Kardashian, Trump is a good reality TV Star. And now, it is looking like Kim Kardashian may be a better PResident than Trump.
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10/9/2016 6:47:40 PM
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At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.

This is why armchair economists shouldn't be in the government, if they can't do, they shouldn't lead. The only actual jobs Hillary created was a select few to run the Clinton Foundation. What a real working class heroine...
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10/9/2016 7:21:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 6:20:03 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:52:15 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.

That means at the rate of return on his father's loan (which means repayed). If your parents lent you $100. You should be worth $440,000 if what he did was so easy.

Trump got more assistance from his father than just $1 Million. His loan was at least $14 million, his father also gave him $3.5 million later. The exact assistance Trump got will never be known as Trump will never release his tax returns. But it seems like Trump pretty much inherited his father business. If you invested Trump's net worth from 1980 it would be worth more than Trump's net worth today.

We've already had this conversation before. You chose again to ignore prior to 1980 yet again. We've already dispelled this false comparison and you already conceded to this. Also he didn't inherit his father's business. The 14 million dollar claim is questionable but it was still 10 years later. Once again Trump already brought the 1 million to 200 million before this. People that work in the same space as him consider him to be a great businessman and even people that don't support his bid for Presidency agree to this. Barbara Corcoran(Shark Tank) says she grew up with him, both in real estate, and both in New York. She too states he was a good businessman. I'm sorry your claims just fall flat when evaluated with any kind of integrity or objectivity.


What Trump did make a lot of money from is becoming a reality TV Star. Like Kim Kardashian, Trump is a good reality TV Star. And now, it is looking like Kim Kardashian may be a better PResident than Trump.

Trump at best made 200 million from his tv ventures. 200 million hardly equals his 4.4 billion or 10 billion by his accounts. While it's convenient to try and paint all his success and fame to reality tv. This is not reality.
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10/9/2016 8:33:48 PM
Posted: 1 month ago

We've already had this conversation before. You chose again to ignore prior to 1980 yet again. We've already dispelled this false comparison and you already conceded to this. Also he didn't inherit his father's business. The 14 million dollar claim is questionable but it was still 10 years later. Once again Trump already brought the 1 million to 200 million before this. People that work in the same space as him consider him to be a great businessman and even people that don't support his bid for Presidency agree to this. Barbara Corcoran(Shark Tank) says she grew up with him, both in real estate, and both in New York. She too states he was a good businessman. I'm sorry your claims just fall flat when evaluated with any kind of integrity or objectivity.

If we have had this conversation before, how about we dig up that thread if you want to learn about how Trump is not a good businessman? The fact is that if you bought a share of Berkshire Hathaway in 1975 (when Trump got the $14 Million dollar loan), and just chilled and did nothing at all it would be worth $60 Billion in cash today without an reality TV help (if bought in 1968 it would be worth$170 Billion).

On the other hand, Trump stock plummeted and investors lost almost all their money. Trump routinely got loans and help from his dad. It is easy to be a businessman when you can always run to daddy for money.


What Trump did make a lot of money from is becoming a reality TV Star. Like Kim Kardashian, Trump is a good reality TV Star. And now, it is looking like Kim Kardashian may be a better PResident than Trump.

Trump at best made 200 million from his tv ventures. 200 million hardly equals his 4.4 billion or 10 billion by his accounts. While it's convenient to try and paint all his success and fame to reality tv. This is not reality.

Trump also licenses out his brand as many other celebrities do. Trump made $200 Million alone from the apprentice.
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10/9/2016 8:38:45 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 7:21:42 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 6:20:03 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:52:15 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:41:03 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:24:16 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Easy! If I started with Trump's wealth I would just invest the money in a stock index, sit back, do nothing, and I would have made more money than he. Actual money, not just exaggerating the value of his brand.

Gee why aren't you a billionaire then if you're that smart to make billions of dollars out of a million dollars with what Trump started with?

You're literally the left-wing version of brontoraptor.

That means at the rate of return on his father's loan (which means repayed). If your parents lent you $100. You should be worth $440,000 if what he did was so easy.

Trump got more assistance from his father than just $1 Million. His loan was at least $14 million, his father also gave him $3.5 million later. The exact assistance Trump got will never be known as Trump will never release his tax returns. But it seems like Trump pretty much inherited his father business. If you invested Trump's net worth from 1980 it would be worth more than Trump's net worth today.

We've already had this conversation before. You chose again to ignore prior to 1980 yet again. We've already dispelled this false comparison and you already conceded to this. Also he didn't inherit his father's business. The 14 million dollar claim is questionable but it was still 10 years later. Once again Trump already brought the 1 million to 200 million before this. People that work in the same space as him consider him to be a great businessman and even people that don't support his bid for Presidency agree to this. Barbara Corcoran(Shark Tank) says she grew up with him, both in real estate, and both in New York. She too states he was a good businessman. I'm sorry your claims just fall flat when evaluated with any kind of integrity or objectivity.

I ignored prior to 1980 because we are working with incomplete info and 1980 had a reported net worth. I acknowledged the flaws in the analysis.

We will not know how good Trump is at business until he releases his tax returns. Trump will not as they show he is a bad businessman. The one page that was leaked showed him losing one billion dollars.

What Trump did make a lot of money from is becoming a reality TV Star. Like Kim Kardashian, Trump is a good reality TV Star. And now, it is looking like Kim Kardashian may be a better PResident than Trump.

Trump at best made 200 million from his tv ventures. 200 million hardly equals his 4.4 billion or 10 billion by his accounts. While it's convenient to try and paint all his success and fame to reality tv. This is not reality.
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10/9/2016 8:48:55 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 8:33:48 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

We've already had this conversation before. You chose again to ignore prior to 1980 yet again. We've already dispelled this false comparison and you already conceded to this. Also he didn't inherit his father's business. The 14 million dollar claim is questionable but it was still 10 years later. Once again Trump already brought the 1 million to 200 million before this. People that work in the same space as him consider him to be a great businessman and even people that don't support his bid for Presidency agree to this. Barbara Corcoran(Shark Tank) says she grew up with him, both in real estate, and both in New York. She too states he was a good businessman. I'm sorry your claims just fall flat when evaluated with any kind of integrity or objectivity.

If we have had this conversation before, how about we dig up that thread if you want to learn about how Trump is not a good businessman?

http://www.debate.org...

You started that thread too.. imagine that.
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10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich
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10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...
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10/9/2016 9:06:41 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...

Because the crony democrats refuse to tax them.
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10/9/2016 9:08:28 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 9:06:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...

Because the crony democrats refuse to tax them.

The data starts in 1980 when reagan was in office.
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10/9/2016 9:11:36 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 9:08:28 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:06:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...

Because the crony democrats refuse to tax them.

The data starts in 1980 when reagan was in office.

That's nice. That makes 16 years of crony Democrats refusing to tax the rich.
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10/9/2016 9:13:04 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
s: At 10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...

Wealth inequality is only bad in 3rd world or developing countries, they have wealth due to government corruption

Wealth inequality in 1st world countries is due to innovation and supplying the need for product in an economy

Did that answer it for ya? :D
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10/9/2016 9:37:00 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 9:11:36 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:08:28 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:06:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...

Because the crony democrats refuse to tax them.

The data starts in 1980 when reagan was in office.

That's nice. That makes 16 years of crony Democrats refusing to tax the rich.

sigh
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10/9/2016 9:38:47 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 9:37:00 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:11:36 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:08:28 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:06:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 9:03:05 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/9/2016 8:50:46 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/9/2016 5:00:24 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
One of the biggest myths that Trump is spinning is that he is the candidate of the working class. Trump's tax plan favors the rich. Compared to Clinton, he wants to the middle class to pay a greater portion of taxes. Trump wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It is reported that Trump has not paid taxes for almost 20 years. Trump is no advocate of the working man. He is and always been a rich elite who has benefited from a tax code that favors the rich. Trump's extreme rhetoric resonated with the many working class people, but Trump is not looking out for them. Like those who sign up for Trump University, Trump is exploiting those working class people for his own gain.

In the past Trump has even called poor people morons because they are not rich.


'My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office," Trump told the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. "How smart can they be? They're morons."


http://www.ibtimes.com...

Anyone who thinks Trump is in it for them is deluding themselves. Trump cares about himself, and himself only.

He supports a reaganomics plan which helps everyone, not just the rich

If tax cuts for the rich is the best plan for everyone (not just the rich), why has income and wealth grown way way way more for the rich compared to the poor/middle starting in 1980.

https://www.google.com...

http://www.motherjones.com...

http://apps.urban.org...

Because the crony democrats refuse to tax them.

The data starts in 1980 when reagan was in office.

That's nice. That makes 16 years of crony Democrats refusing to tax the rich.

sigh

When are you going to get it, both parties are the same...endless decades of broken promises, yet the koolaid is oh so tasty!