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Was the Birther Movement racist?

Vox_Veritas
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10/10/2016 7:41:35 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
Many black-americans hate Donald Trump because of his yuuuuge role in the Birther Movement, which alleged that Barack Obama was not born a U.S. citizen and thereby ineligible to run for the office of POTUS. The prevailing narrative is that Barack Obama's citizenship would not have been in question were he white, and therefore the movement was racist.
But is this true? Well, let's look at the facts.

First of all, we have to keep in mind that President Obama is a Democrat, whereas most Birthers were Republicans. Like with the faux moral outrage over supposed scandals directed at both candidates during this presidential race, at the time many Republicans were grasping to find dirt on the opposition candidate (and then president). Were Barack Obama the Republican nominee, the likelihood that Republicans would've pounced on him over the citizenship question would've been greatly diminished.
Second, there are in fact white Muslims. A few examples of this would be Bosniaks (like that certain white supremacist Muslim who was active here a while back), Albanians, Chechens, etc. Were Obama's father a white Muslim from Albania or Bosnia, Republicans still would've demanded to see Obama's birth certificate.
Third, were Obama's father your typical black-american, the birther movement probably would not have existed. They certainly wouldn't ask the question of Obama's birth certificate if his father were, say, a black Baptist preacher from Detroit.

So was it racist? Against Muslims, certainly. But not against blacks. The outrage that blacks feel towards Trump over his role in the birther movement is unwarranted.
Now, will some random guy on the internet be able to change the mind of the black community as a whole? Of course not. I just felt like pointing this out.
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WizardOfSnakes
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10/10/2016 7:48:27 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 7:41:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Many black-americans hate Donald Trump because of his yuuuuge role in the Birther Movement, which alleged that Barack Obama was not born a U.S. citizen and thereby ineligible to run for the office of POTUS. The prevailing narrative is that Barack Obama's citizenship would not have been in question were he white, and therefore the movement was racist.
But is this true? Well, let's look at the facts.

First of all, we have to keep in mind that President Obama is a Democrat, whereas most Birthers were Republicans. Like with the faux moral outrage over supposed scandals directed at both candidates during this presidential race, at the time many Republicans were grasping to find dirt on the opposition candidate (and then president). Were Barack Obama the Republican nominee, the likelihood that Republicans would've pounced on him over the citizenship question would've been greatly diminished.
Second, there are in fact white Muslims. A few examples of this would be Bosniaks (like that certain white supremacist Muslim who was active here a while back), Albanians, Chechens, etc. Were Obama's father a white Muslim from Albania or Bosnia, Republicans still would've demanded to see Obama's birth certificate.
Third, were Obama's father your typical black-american, the birther movement probably would not have existed. They certainly wouldn't ask the question of Obama's birth certificate if his father were, say, a black Baptist preacher from Detroit.

So was it racist? Against Muslims, certainly. But not against blacks. The outrage that blacks feel towards Trump over his role in the birther movement is unwarranted.
Now, will some random guy on the internet be able to change the mind of the black community as a whole? Of course not. I just felt like pointing this out.

Obama isn't child of the slave black though. his forefathers were never slaves in America. plus his mom is white.
kevin24018
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10/10/2016 7:53:48 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 7:41:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Many black-americans hate Donald Trump because of his yuuuuge role in the Birther Movement, which alleged that Barack Obama was not born a U.S. citizen and thereby ineligible to run for the office of POTUS. The prevailing narrative is that Barack Obama's citizenship would not have been in question were he white, and therefore the movement was racist.
But is this true? Well, let's look at the facts.

First of all, we have to keep in mind that President Obama is a Democrat, whereas most Birthers were Republicans. Like with the faux moral outrage over supposed scandals directed at both candidates during this presidential race, at the time many Republicans were grasping to find dirt on the opposition candidate (and then president). Were Barack Obama the Republican nominee, the likelihood that Republicans would've pounced on him over the citizenship question would've been greatly diminished.
Second, there are in fact white Muslims. A few examples of this would be Bosniaks (like that certain white supremacist Muslim who was active here a while back), Albanians, Chechens, etc. Were Obama's father a white Muslim from Albania or Bosnia, Republicans still would've demanded to see Obama's birth certificate.
Third, were Obama's father your typical black-american, the birther movement probably would not have existed. They certainly wouldn't ask the question of Obama's birth certificate if his father were, say, a black Baptist preacher from Detroit.

So was it racist? Against Muslims, certainly. But not against blacks. The outrage that blacks feel towards Trump over his role in the birther movement is unwarranted.
Now, will some random guy on the internet be able to change the mind of the black community as a whole? Of course not. I just felt like pointing this out.

yeah I'm not sure why or how it's tied to race, especially since the Clinton camp started it, it used it to but didn't create it. I guess cause Obama was half black that anything you say against him, especially at that time is racist.
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10/10/2016 8:01:02 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 7:41:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Many black-americans hate Donald Trump because of his yuuuuge role in the Birther Movement, which alleged that Barack Obama was not born a U.S. citizen and thereby ineligible to run for the office of POTUS. The prevailing narrative is that Barack Obama's citizenship would not have been in question were he white, and therefore the movement was racist.
But is this true? Well, let's look at the facts.

First of all, we have to keep in mind that President Obama is a Democrat, whereas most Birthers were Republicans. Like with the faux moral outrage over supposed scandals directed at both candidates during this presidential race, at the time many Republicans were grasping to find dirt on the opposition candidate (and then president). Were Barack Obama the Republican nominee, the likelihood that Republicans would've pounced on him over the citizenship question would've been greatly diminished.
Second, there are in fact white Muslims. A few examples of this would be Bosniaks (like that certain white supremacist Muslim who was active here a while back), Albanians, Chechens, etc. Were Obama's father a white Muslim from Albania or Bosnia, Republicans still would've demanded to see Obama's birth certificate.
Third, were Obama's father your typical black-american, the birther movement probably would not have existed. They certainly wouldn't ask the question of Obama's birth certificate if his father were, say, a black Baptist preacher from Detroit.

So was it racist? Against Muslims, certainly. But not against blacks. The outrage that blacks feel towards Trump over his role in the birther movement is unwarranted.
Now, will some random guy on the internet be able to change the mind of the black community as a whole? Of course not. I just felt like pointing this out.

You can't see why black people - a demographic that has historically been the victim of systemic and often brutal racism - might have a problem with racism in general?